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Old 04-25-2001, 09:10 AM
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What NA V6 cars are faster than a maxima (stock vs. stock)...

don't list any car that costs over $60,000

for this question please use a 14.8 (1/4), 6.6 (0-60) 95' SE maxima as a comparison.

well, what have got?
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Acura TL Type-S
Acura CL Type-S
BMW 330i
BMW M3
BMW 530i
BMW M Roadster
Toyota Supra would be close


I'm sure there are others...
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v6

kill 5 of those..

ok here goes

CL Type-S
GTP

I don't think the TL-S runs 14's 1/4 mile
Originally posted by mzmtg
Acura TL Type-S
Acura CL Type-S
BMW 330i
BMW M3
BMW 530i
BMW M Roadster
Toyota Supra would be close


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When he said V6 I assumed any 6cyl would do. Plus I dont think there are many stock maxes that run 14 sec quaters either.
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HA! he also said NA. Kill the GTP.
CL Type S
TL Type S

is all that's left. Understandably, I would think that the comparison should be any NA 6 cylinder, straight, V or opposed. You could bring back all the Bimmers and the Toyotas. The GTP may be in the same class, but that sucker needs an SC ON top of its already huge 3.8 V-6 in order to beat us, mucho unfair advantage.

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Originally posted by SprintMax
v6

kill 5 of those..

ok here goes

CL Type-S
GTP

I don't think the TL-S runs 14's 1/4 mile
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yeah kill teh GTP.. oppss..

a 2k max with a good driver has run high 14's over and over again.. at least 4 people here have done it.. 14's stock .. 14.8 to be exact.. so what does that mean? means the car is capable of high 14's.. its not really our fault that others can't get high 14's but stock the car is capable of high 14's

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HA! he also said NA. Kill the GTP.
CL Type S
TL Type S

is all that's left. Understandably, I would think that the comparison should be any NA 6 cylinder, straight, V or opposed. You could bring back all the Bimmers and the Toyotas. The GTP may be in the same class, but that sucker needs an SC ON top of its already huge 3.8 V-6 in order to beat us, mucho unfair advantage.

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I'm not sure there are any????

Well the TL-Type S is the closest thing I can think of. The normal 3.2TL runs a 15.5 in the 1/4 mi. and I cant find any figures to back it up but I remember that Road&Track held a comparison test between the 3.0 Bimmer coupe and the 3.2 CL Types S and the Type S won the acceleration test running 0-60 in 6.4 and the quarter in 14.9. As much as I love and respect the Max I think a stock Max will lose to a stock 3.2 TL Type S. If you're talking a 5spd. Max to a 3.2 TL Type S, I'd say we'd get a jump on them but they'd run us down in the 1/4. Nonetheless it would be a good race, the winner going to the better driver. What about those Volkswagen VR6's I think those are pretty quick although I dont know their 0-60 and 1/4 mi. times.

Squeeze, and keep squeezing cause those cars are pretty fast stock. If you wanna start with the mods then bye bye TL!

Please no flames, I hope its not a problem that I respect the TL even a little.
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Well, I don't know about 1/4" times but the Subaru SVX all aluminum boxer(about as close to V6 as you can get) made 230hp. I'm not to familar w/ the 1/4 times though. I don't think that they were really light.

Glok and Tiem running their Camry V6s are running high 14s to low 15s.
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let me clean up my question a little...

* any car with 6 cylinders I, V, or other
* the time of the car you're comparing must be either common knowledge (5 or more people have done it) OR published by somebody other then the manufacturer
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is there a NA 6cyl car that's over $60k? also does '95 SE really run 14.8 stock?
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Originally posted by WoodEar
also does '95 SE really run 14.8 stock?
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is there a NA 6cyl car that's over $60k? also does '95 SE really run 14.8 stock?
I believe the Porshe 911 (non-turbo) are Flat 6's pumping out 296 hp (last I checked). 0-60 somewhere around 5 or the low 5's. Also, unfortunately, they are well over 60grand.
 
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nope 15.2

Originally posted by WoodEar
is there a NA 6cyl car that's over $60k? also does '95 SE really run 14.8 stock?
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No tested 4th gen Maxima ever ran in the 14s and it sure isn't common knowledge that a stock 4th gen has ever run 14s in this forum.

It's pretty much safe to assume any car that can trap out at 90mph or higher in the 1/4 mile is very capable of hitting 14s. Whether the driver and the tires are up to the task is another question.

Stock NA V6/I6 cars that cost less than 60K that run 14s or lower:

Camry
Solara
Maxima
328
330
M3
530
Z3 2.8/3.0
M Roadster
TL-S
CL-S
99+ Mustang
95 1/2 Camaro/Firebird 3800

Know you enemy. ALL THESE CARS have been verified to run 14s.

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'89 Tauras SHO, This car was able to achieve high 14's. While being well under 60,000.

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Originally posted by SprintMax
nope 15.2
I can run a 15.2 pretty much stock.. I think that one of mags published a 14.8 for the 95.. therefore sometime, someplace, it did happen.

I guess its kind of hard to find somebody who runs their 95 SE and had not modded it...
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You can kill the Solara, TL-S and the 328.. those cars are not running 14's stock.. the Z3 2.8 are iffy.. the 99+ mustang you have to be specific.. the v6 and GT Auto arn't seeing 14's.. samething goes for the F-Body's .. the v6's arn't doing that ..

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No tested 4th gen Maxima ever ran in the 14s and it sure isn't common knowledge that a stock 4th gen has ever run 14s in this forum.

It's pretty much safe to assume any car that can trap out at 90mph or higher in the 1/4 mile is very capable of hitting 14s. Whether the driver and the tires are up to the task is another question.

Stock NA V6/I6 cars that cost less than 60K that run 14s or lower:

Camry
Solara
Maxima
328
330
M3
530
Z3 2.8/3.0
M Roadster
TL-S
CL-S
99+ Mustang
95 1/2 Camaro/Firebird 3800

Know you enemy. ALL THESE CARS have been verified to run 14s.

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I trap out at 93 mph but i can only get 15.2. I am bone stock besides a drop on K&N air filter. I think better time are possible if i get my launch right. The GTP is supposed to be a dead race with a 5-speed Max. What about a 3000GT. Can we takem?(Non turbo)
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i got one

MERCEDES BENZ SLK 320 --- 0-60 6.5
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You telling me that those V6 Mutsangs/Camaros/Firebirds have some GO to them now?? WHAT a suprise!

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Originally posted by Dave B
No tested 4th gen Maxima ever ran in the 14s and it sure isn't common knowledge that a stock 4th gen has ever run 14s in this forum.

It's pretty much safe to assume any car that can trap out at 90mph or higher in the 1/4 mile is very capable of hitting 14s. Whether the driver and the tires are up to the task is another question.

Stock NA V6/I6 cars that cost less than 60K that run 14s or lower:

Camry
Solara
Maxima
328
330
M3
530
Z3 2.8/3.0
M Roadster
TL-S
CL-S
99+ Mustang
95 1/2 Camaro/Firebird 3800

Know you enemy. ALL THESE CARS have been verified to run 14s.

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Acura NSX...

but $60k limit killed that one.
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Motor Trend ran an E36 328is to a ~14.8. The Z3 (2.8) are definitly under 15 sec. The 2.8L engine is ~190 hp and the Z3 weighs in around 2700lbs. I don't know about a 530 running lower than a 15, they're pretty f'n heavy. V6 Camry's and Solaras it is totally possible w/ a 5spd. NO WAY any V6 Mustang, Camaro, or Firebird are coming anywhere close to the 15 sec mark, stock. Even after stock (still being NA) they would have a whole lot of trouble doing that.

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You can kill the Solara, TL-S and the 328.. those cars are not running 14's stock.. the Z3 2.8 are iffy.. the 99+ mustang you have to be specific.. the v6 and GT Auto arn't seeing 14's.. samething goes for the F-Body's .. the v6's arn't doing that ..

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are you sure?

http://www.motortrend.com/nov99/lt/b...bmw328i_f.html

from what i can dig up for now it says 0 - 60 in 6.9 secs for the E46 .. and i don't know any 0 - 60 cars in 6.9 secs running 14s 1/4 miles.. but this was the E46...

I will have to check the back of my Motortrend when i get home for the stats on the E36

oh and they tested the 330 at 14.8 also

You are absolutely right about the z3 2.8 though.. its .4 quicker than the 2.5 wich is 15.2 which would bring it 14.8

from Car and Driver
The 2.5-liter six produces 170 hp, 32 more than did the 1.9-liter powerplant; torque, at 181 pound-feet, outtwists the 1.9 by 48. Our 2.5-liter car sprinted to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds, which is 1.3 seconds quicker than our last 1.9 and only 0.4 second slower than the 2.8. In fact, under most driving conditions, it's hard to discern the difference in performance between the 2.3 and the 2.8. The larger engine costs $5688 more.

Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door roadster
Price as tested: $35,780 (base price: $31,870)

Engine type: DOHC 24-valve 6-in-line, aluminum block and head, Siemens MS42 engine-control system with port fuel injection
Displacement. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .152 cu in, 2494cc

Power (SAE net). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .170 bhp @ 5500 rpm
Torque (SAE net). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 181 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm

Transmission. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5-speed manual
Curb weight. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2988 lb

Zero to 60 mph. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .19.7 sec

Street start, 5-60 mph. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15.2 sec @ 90 mph
ok checking car and driver.. you are right about the E36 328.. i stand corrected .. if its running 93 traps.. you can get 14.7 out of that car

Although a high percentage of this car's mileage was accumulated in tough day-to-day commuting and urban errand running, its performance eroded almost not at all. In its premier test, conducted in May 1999, the 328i zipped to 60 mph in 6.5 seconds, covered the quarter-mile in 15.0 seconds at 93 mph, and stopped from 70 mph in 172 feet. About 15 months later, with 41,205 miles on the clock, 0 to 60 was slower by 0.2 second, as was the quarter-mile elapsed time, and trap speed had dropped by 2 mph. It also required an extra five feet to stop, although 177 is still quite respectable.

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Motor Trend ran an E36 328is to a ~14.8. The Z3 (2.8) are definitly under 15 sec. The 2.8L engine is ~190 hp and the Z3 weighs in around 2700lbs. I don't know about a 530 running lower than a 15, they're pretty f'n heavy. V6 Camry's and Solaras it is totally possible w/ a 5spd. NO WAY any V6 Mustang, Camaro, or Firebird are coming anywhere close to the 15 sec mark, stock. Even after stock (still being NA) they would have a whole lot of trouble doing that.

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You telling me that those V6 Mutsangs/Camaros/Firebirds have some GO to them now?? WHAT a suprise!

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I kinda doubt that since my max took a 96 Camaro Z28 off a dead start and won by a car lenth... Took an old Trans-Am won by two car lenths... V8's are getting slower - the Lincoln MarkVIII is a joke. I took a hooked up Cobra off the line but definitly killed me in long run. Try testing a V8 stock next time see how u do. HINT: run on les than a 1/4 tank to make up for the extra weight the Max has. (I got praised by the spectators.

Don't sleep on some 4cyl though. I had a real close race with a dirt old CRX with an Integra engine. Also I didn't know the S2000 was a 4cyl... it was still a nice race though.

(Not bad for an auto)--- Hogan I want to make my car faster. I want the S2000 and the S4
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Originally posted by mzmtg
Acura TL Type-S
Acura CL Type-S
BMW 330i
BMW M3
BMW 530i
BMW M Roadster
Toyota Supra would be close


I'm sure there are others...
If only the Supras was a V6. Actually, no supra had a V6...stock.
inline engines are much more stronger than V configs.

There's PLENTY of faster V6 cars for under $60k. 90% of them are BMWs.

Maximas are quick for what they are, but, not the fastest by any means.
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SprintMax, I saw on MotorTrend Television a few months ago a test involving a [E46] 330i. They ran a 14.6 in it!!!! (can't remember the trap speed) They were comparing it to the E46 328, which ended up running around a low-mid 15. I don't think they use the times in the show in the mags tho, but it was pretty impressive to see that car run that fast.
Both cars were 5spd's.

Originally posted by SprintMax
are you sure?

http://www.motortrend.com/nov99/lt/b...bmw328i_f.html

from what i can dig up for now it says 0 - 60 in 6.9 secs for the E46 .. and i don't know any 0 - 60 cars in 6.9 secs running 14s 1/4 miles.. but this was the E46...

I will have to check the back of my Motortrend when i get home for the stats on the E36

oh and they tested the 330 at 14.8 also

You are absolutely right about the z3 2.8 though.. its .4 quicker than the 2.5 wich is 15.2 which would bring it 14.8



ok checking car and driver.. you are right about the E36 328.. i stand corrected .. if its running 93 traps.. you can get 14.7 out of that car




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Re: Forgot about.......

What about a

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GS 300?
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Kam.. you just killed him and killed yourself.. 90% of them are BMW's? BMW v6?


Pervis - the GS300 runs high 15's
Originally posted by SCCA Solo2

If only the Supras was a V6. Actually, no supra had a V6...stock.
inline engines are much more stronger than V configs.

There's PLENTY of faster V6 cars for under $60k. 90% of them are BMWs.

Maximas are quick for what they are, but, not the fastest by any means.
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I believe the Porshe 911 (non-turbo) are Flat 6's pumping out 296 hp (last I checked). 0-60 somewhere around 5 or the low 5's. Also, unfortunately, they are well over 60grand.
i mean non-exotics, cuz he obviously isn't comparing Max to 911 likes. btw NSX also has NA V6.
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R&T 6/94 7.4 --- 15.7 90 95 SE 5sp Road Test
AM** 8/95 6.6 --- 15.2 92 95 GXE 5sp Great Cars for $20K
C&D 1/96 6.7 7.2 15.3 92 95 SE 5sp Long Term Test, new
C&D 1/96 6.6 7.0 15.2 93 95 SE 5sp Long Term Test, 40K miles
MT** 2/95 6.6 --- 15.2 92 95 SE 5sp 1995 Import Car of the Year

MT = Motor Trend
R&T = Road and Track
AM = Automobile Magazine
C&D = Car and driver

I am running out of magaizines here..

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I can run a 15.2 pretty much stock.. I think that one of mags published a 14.8 for the 95.. therefore sometime, someplace, it did happen.

I guess its kind of hard to find somebody who runs their 95 SE and had not modded it...
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I am sorry for posting blind numbers....

here is my source..

http://web2.airmail.net/scutchen/max...tory.htm#Stock


and the website itself

http://web2.airmail.net/scutchen/max_faq/
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Originally posted by Dave B
No tested 4th gen Maxima ever ran in the 14s and it sure isn't common knowledge that a stock 4th gen has ever run 14s in this forum.

It's pretty much safe to assume any car that can trap out at 90mph or higher in the 1/4 mile is very capable of hitting 14s. Whether the driver and the tires are up to the task is another question.

Stock NA V6/I6 cars that cost less than 60K that run 14s or lower:

Camry
Solara
Maxima
328
330
M3
530
Z3 2.8/3.0
M Roadster
TL-S
CL-S
99+ Mustang
95 1/2 Camaro/Firebird 3800

Know you enemy. ALL THESE CARS have been verified to run 14s.

Dave
the M Roadster, which you mean the z8 right, was stated as being priced at 128K in MotorTrend.
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my question is why are we comparing the max to cars that cost up to 60 grand. Isnt that a little unfair? I think cars that are in the same price range are a good idea. Not 60 grand cars. You can get a M3 for that. And no way in hell you can compare a M3 to a Max
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the M Roadster, which you mean the z8 right, was stated as being priced at 128K in MotorTrend.
No, the M Roadster and the Z8 are two very different cars. The M Roadster has a straight 6, and the Z8 has the same engine as the M5...... Plus lots of other differences.
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Didn't see the Porsche Boxster & Boxster S.

R&T summary is 14's & $47k & $54k.
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The M Roadster is the Z3 with the M52 240 hp engine in the 3.2L E36 (96+ anyhow) M3. A guy i went to highschool with has one.

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SPRINTMAX--- I have a bone stock 97 SE 5-speed( besides the drop in K&N) and i trap out 93 and i can only get a 15.2. Is this a normal trap time for my car. Should I break into the 14s. I dont believe this is possible but what do you think.
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what is your 60ft time? if its 2.3 or higher... if you drop that to a 2.1 you will be in 14's no problem.. I "think" i was told that for every .1 secs off your 60ft is .2 off your 1/4 mile

you may need to just work on your launching technique

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SPRINTMAX--- I have a bone stock 97 SE 5-speed( besides the drop in K&N) and i trap out 93 and i can only get a 15.2. Is this a normal trap time for my car. Should I break into the 14s. I dont believe this is possible but what do you think.
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forget straight-line what about handling, oh wait we really cant do that..... BMW would pretty much win Hands down to most cars.
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the M Roadster, which you mean the z8 right, was stated as being priced at 128K in MotorTrend.
I can't believe I actually saw one last night...wow.
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