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Old Mar 20, 2005 | 12:30 PM
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I love my 6th gen stock over my old 5.5 gen... the suspention on my 04 se is much more stiffer than the 02 se.. thats how it should be considering its the sport version.. the 5th gen was so floaty and taking turns quick could not be done like I can with my 04.. I know they changed the suspension to the independent style, but the point is a sporty version should receive a sport suspension, which the 5th gen don't have..

it has more room inside, lots of options over the 5th gens, upgraded bose system, and 18'' rims on the se. all of this comes with weight.. and to be as quick as it is you can't complain.

I like all gens maximas and don't hate no ones car, but you 5th gen guys should consider adding bout 200 pounds to your cars and see if you can keep up...
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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u people r stupid. just cause a car has irs doesnt make it a sports car. last i check a sports car wasnt stuck with 4 doors and this god awful fwd tranny. to call a 3rd gen or and gen for that matter a sports cars is nuts. having stickers on ur car calling u a sports car doesnt make u a sports car. if it did every guy in a civic would feel better then the people who own tru sports cars...vettes, supras, vipers, etc. and to say a 6th gen is ugly is nuts. when i first came on here u nuts went on and on about how the 5th gen was ugly. a stock 6th gen turns more heads on the street then any other gen period. and thats all that matters. nissan doesnt care what we think, we already own their products, they are getting new people who are wanting a maxima and the 6th gen is their best bet. and to say the 6th gen only has 10 more hp as a bad thing is dumb also. the 5thgen only had 30hp more and that was since our 4th gen motors had a crappy intake manifold on it. it wasnt until halfway through the 5th gens model yr did they bring out the big motor. u guys are talkin about how the 5.5 gen is faster then the 6th gen, so what. if that many people raced their nissans they wouldnt but a maxima. i like the 6th gens and every person at the ct meet drooled over that one guys 6th gen when they saw it.

i like the 6th gen but i wouldnt buy it because i hate having fwd and thats the only reason.

ohh ad if the 3rd gen was some 4dsc it would have shared a race track with other sports cars in some kind of factory sponsered nissan racing team. the only maxima i ever saw on a track was a 5th gen and that was a minimal factory effort.

that 4dsc thing makes us look stupid.

ohh also by todays standards even the 6th gen isnt fast. an evo is fast. a sti is fast. a vette is faster, but a maxima is just responsive to throttle imput. if it isnt running mid to low 13's stock then i dont see how u nuts can call it fast.
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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if you are refering to me about IRS, I never said I had a sports car, I just mentioned that if you pay for the SE edition you should get stiffer shocks, springs and sportier wheels.. the 5th gen lacks the stiff suspension for a SE..
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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Ur just jealous!!
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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^^^ Damn they have kits for the 6th gen already. Nice
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 03:06 PM
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The 6th generation Maxima reminds me of a girl with a great personality and a face that could make a blind man grimace.....the thing is ugly but they did get the engine right.

I've driven every generation they've made, the 6th seems to lack the fit and finish quality I'm used to seeing. Maybe it was just the 2006 SE I drove with 11k. Guess it's somehow possible that it was the only one like that. If I find a 5th gen I like with gears I may buy it, after that, well, guess I'll look into other manufacturers. I wouldn't buy anything new. Simple math tells me to buy it a couple of years old.
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tek-Niq
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if you are refering to me about IRS, I never said I had a sports car, I just mentioned that if you pay for the SE edition you should get stiffer shocks, springs and sportier wheels.. the 5th gen lacks the stiff suspension for a SE..
no i was just saying it in general. i didnt mean any of it toward anyone
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 07:23 PM
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i also wonder how 4th gen owners can say they have better fit n finish then a 6th gen
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 11:40 PM
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Nice work guys defending our 6th gen!!!
But as always to each his own....
Old Mar 21, 2005 | 08:01 AM
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everyone has there own opinion and i have one also. I've owned 3 different 4th gen maximas and if i didn't love them, i wouldn't of had so many, but when i got out of school, i looked for leftover 03 5th gens, but it was to late to get a new one, so i settled with the 6th gen. At first i wasn't digging it, but after having it for the first few weeks, i realized its the best max out so far, compared to luxury feel, comnfort and power its the best maxima produced so far.

Plus the 4th gens now are considered like honda civics, ur cars are a decade old, bolt on and rice out is what its turning into. I see little thugs all the time trying to pimp out a 4th gen max likes it that new hot sh*t
Old Mar 21, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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As a proud 6th generation owner I appreciate all of the comments and critics about my car. I too will admit while shopping for a new car last year I was hesitant to buy the Maxima because of the looks. But the more I drove the car, researched it, and compared it to others (i.e. IS 300, TL, G35, A4... NOT the Altima, Accord, or some other boring family sedan) I eventually feel head over heals in love with it. I smile at just how nice it looks every time I finish washing it.

My mother has 97 GLE and this car is GREAT. I love the styling, performance, features and handling of her car. Those same great qualities were carried over to the 5th generation. The problem with the 5th generation is that it could not continue to compete unless some changes are made. Nissan had to make some style changes to the Maxima because the 4th generation looks VERY similar to the 5th. How long did you expect Nissan to keep to the same design??

I agree that the 6th is a little too big, and has a unique style but that is what makes this car great. I receive comments on how nice my car is at gas stations, parked in the garage, and people just starring while driving. The Maxima has and will always be known for being a 4DSC. My ’04 SE has the perfect balance sports and luxury appeal. The engine is quick, the handling is great, the suspension is tight, and the interior is comfortable. The Maxima will always be flagship of Nissan. For those who don’t want a common, affordable, family sedan like the Altima, and aren’t ready to step up to the price of the G35 then the Maxima is a perfect choice. The name Maxima alone makes this superior to the Altima and carries out the Maxima heritage. No matter how Nissan redesigns this car it will always be 4DSC that TRUE and REAL Maxima fans will love.
Old Mar 21, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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The more I read the anti-6th generation trash talk the more I need to stop and realize that some of this garbage is coming from people who have 15-20yr old maximas with a trillion miles on them who wouldnt get approved for a loan to get into a 6th gen or any of the other cars you think are a better choice (congrats on that, but it still cant be compared to the 2004-2005). I have a new car, and Im very happy about that alone, you guys gotta stop gettin off on trash talkin owners of the new maxima. geesh.
Old Mar 21, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by andymax95
Plus the 4th gens now are considered like honda civics, ur cars are a decade old, bolt on and rice out is what its turning into. I see little thugs all the time trying to pimp out a 4th gen max likes it that new hot sh*t
i saw some thug wanna be driving a 6th gen with some chrome 20s. personally the 6th gen looks nice with 20's. but thats not my thing, so i went with the 5th gen. and not all little thugs drive the 4th gen. and 4th gens are nice cars. dont compare 4th gens with a civic.
Old Mar 21, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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Cant we all just get along???
Old Mar 21, 2005 | 10:59 PM
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I'd still pick either of them over an Accord or Camry
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:45 AM
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The only complaint people have over the 6th gen is that it's not the G35. Otherwise it's just a natural evolution of the same car it's always been. I really like it. It has distinctive styling that looks good "to me" and there's nothing else like it on the market. You'll never confuse it for a Camcord, and it has a lot of premium features for a great price along with tons of power from the VQ35.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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Cant we all just get along???
Exactly what i was going to say.
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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not all little thugs drive the 4th gen. 4th gens are nice cars. dont compare 4th gens with a civic.

Thank You! If 4th gen owners wanna rice their car out, so be it. To each thier own.

btw isn't this thread supposed to be about 5th gens?
Old Mar 22, 2005 | 10:02 PM
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LOL @ this crapfest thread. Alot of haterade you guys have been sipping on. And LMFAO at the 6th gen being marketed for the older crowd. I dont diss the 4 & 5th gens that I have seen on this board cause alot of them are sick but the majority of people I see driving 4th & 5th gens are blue haired meanies on their way to a hot bingo game. Honest opinion...
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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My 2 cents opinion or 1/2 cent opinion for that matter is that true "Maxima" fans will own maximas, sport mod oriented people that own maximas now probably won't buy the 6th gen. Some magazines have stated that the 6th gen max was created to compete against the Lexus. The Altima pretty much takes the place of the 5th gen maxima. It is possible I think to make the 6th gen look hot, as time goes on aftermarket companies will be able to give it an extreme makeover. I think my last max might be a 5th gen because I'm not too keen on the 6th gen look right now. but consider this, and some may feel the same way:
2nd gen back in the 80s was the bomb
3rd gen when it came out looked hot
4th gen when it came out I hated it, now I own one
5th gen came out I didn't like it, now my next car will probably be a 2003.
6th gen, I don't like it.

Where do we go from here?, we'll see, cars kinda grow on you, you hate the look at first but then as time goes on, you get used to it . Personally when Nissan starts offering the GTR here, which they will, I hope I have the ducks to get one. I've seen 2 pics of concept GTRs and I wouldn't mind having either one.
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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5 and 6th gen owner here. I hated the 6th when I first saw and drove it. It slowly grew on me. My 5th gen was tired. I had the $$ for a few cars in that class 36K. I drove cars in that price range the Maxima won. Thers no comparing the two cars. Nissan wanted to keep the loyal maxima owners that are now making more money and wanted something more. They redisgned it and added quite a few dollars to the tag. This is not my opinion, it was all over the web. For those who coulden't afford it, the dealer steered that customer to the Altima. BTW the Altma looks just like a 5gen on roids. If I wanted the same car again i would have bought the Altima. Like an old pair of your favorite shoes I grew out of my 5gen. Guys 5gens are are hot but I'm a much happier man now.
Old Mar 24, 2005 | 12:15 AM
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Simply put to many the last of the maxima were the 5.5 gen.
Old Mar 24, 2005 | 08:32 AM
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I agree with what a lot of you said about the 6th gens... And when I purchased mine the first thing I thought to myself is.. I have to get rid of some of the wheel well on this fat bastard.... Dont get me wrong, I love the car and its been relativly good to me - but the design needs something... NOt sure what it is.. Maybe all wheel drive and a titan like motor :-D Imagine a v8 max... mmmmm.. Where do I sign up?
Old Apr 3, 2005 | 09:07 PM
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the 5th generation maxima is the only maxima that actually makes my head turn.
it's just such a beautiful car.
everything about it is eye-catching; from its front to back.
even if it's just the stock grille, i look at it and i swear even my eyes drool a little.
when i see the newer maximas, i just check to see if it has that "skyline" sunroof.
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 04BlackMaxx
The more I read the anti-6th generation trash talk the more I need to stop and realize that some of this garbage is coming from people who have 15-20yr old maximas with a trillion miles on them who wouldnt get approved for a loan to get into a 6th gen or any of the other cars you think are a better choice (congrats on that, but it still cant be compared to the 2004-2005). I have a new car, and Im very happy about that alone, you guys gotta stop gettin off on trash talkin owners of the new maxima. geesh.

Nobody's to trash talkin the owners of new Maxima's. My Maxima is only 3 years old and I bought it NEW with 54 miles on it. Not only did I get financed for it, it was less than 2 years after I bought a NEW 2000 Maxima with 5 miles on it. Odd how I got approved for a loan TWICE on a new car and recently was approved for a NEW 3 series BMW, but I decided to keep the Max. I cant tell you how hard my dealership pushed to get me into the new Maxima. They - just - look - bloated. Please, read these posts where we say that we are not hating on the ones who own the 6th gens, we just hate the way they now look. Im sorry if this hurts, but my $0.02 is; your car is ugly IMHO.
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 06:30 AM
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My thoughts are that the 5th gens are the last (At least for now) true Maximas.
When early 5th gens came out, especially slow and floaty '00 and '01, there were many posts here on .org that the 4th gen was the last true 4DSC, so what's your point? If you don't like the car then just buy it.
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 06:37 AM
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^^Thats my whole point. If you dont like it, dont buy it. Im not trying to convince anyone here on what to do. These are simply my opinions, that all. I just felt a certain way and wanted to see if anyone else did too. Im sorry if it offended anyone, I thought we had thicker skins.
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 06:46 AM
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^^Thats my whole point. If you dont like it, dont buy it. Im not trying to convince anyone here on what to do. These are simply my opinions, that all. I just felt a certain way and wanted to see if anyone else did too. Im sorry if it offended anyone, I thought we had thicker skins.

no, it has nothing to do with offending anyone but saying smthg that has been said all over again, again, and again. It is the nature of the bus., where the manufacturer will try to upsell and capitilize on "improved" good, to increase their profits.
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 07:01 AM
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In Asia they still produce brand new Cefiro A32, and A33 chassis. There is no A34 they have a tottally different name for it. IMHO the maxima was gone after the '03
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 07:13 AM
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isn't it true that the 6th gen is the last model of the Maxima and that it is going to be replaced with the Nissan version of the new 2006 Infiniti M45 body style and given a new name?
Where'd you hear that from?
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by deezo
It's true. Every Maxima after the 3rd Gen got cheated on a lot of stuff the 3rd Gen had.
Such as...?
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by liqidvenom
u people r stupid. just cause a car has irs doesnt make it a sports car. last i check a sports car wasnt stuck with 4 doors and this god awful fwd tranny. to call a 3rd gen or and gen for that matter a sports cars is nuts. having stickers on ur car calling u a sports car doesnt make u a sports car. if it did every guy in a civic would feel better then the people who own tru sports cars...vettes, supras, vipers, etc. and to say a 6th gen is ugly is nuts. when i first came on here u nuts went on and on about how the 5th gen was ugly. a stock 6th gen turns more heads on the street then any other gen period. and thats all that matters. nissan doesnt care what we think, we already own their products, they are getting new people who are wanting a maxima and the 6th gen is their best bet. and to say the 6th gen only has 10 more hp as a bad thing is dumb also. the 5thgen only had 30hp more and that was since our 4th gen motors had a crappy intake manifold on it. it wasnt until halfway through the 5th gens model yr did they bring out the big motor. u guys are talkin about how the 5.5 gen is faster then the 6th gen, so what. if that many people raced their nissans they wouldnt but a maxima. i like the 6th gens and every person at the ct meet drooled over that one guys 6th gen when they saw it.

i like the 6th gen but i wouldnt buy it because i hate having fwd and thats the only reason.

ohh ad if the 3rd gen was some 4dsc it would have shared a race track with other sports cars in some kind of factory sponsered nissan racing team. the only maxima i ever saw on a track was a 5th gen and that was a minimal factory effort.

that 4dsc thing makes us look stupid.

ohh also by todays standards even the 6th gen isnt fast. an evo is fast. a sti is fast. a vette is faster, but a maxima is just responsive to throttle imput. if it isnt running mid to low 13's stock then i dont see how u nuts can call it fast.
Apparently others disagree...

This is a fast car, boys and girls. Even with its full load of luxury gear, the SE can flash from zero to 60 mph in just 6.3 seconds. The quarter takes 14.8 seconds at 97 mph. That puts the Maxima well ahead of the A4 3.0 and neck-in-neck with Audi's far pricier twin-turbo A6 2.7T. Moreover, the VQ engine--the same basic four-cam 3.5-liter V-6 found in everything from the 350Z to Nissan's new Murano SUV--is a honey. Outfitted with continuously variable valve timing and a variable induction system, it's smooth, rev-happy, and, with 255 lb-ft of torque available at 4400 rpm, pulls strongly in any of the SE's six forward speeds.

MotorTrend magazine's review of 04 Max SE compared to Audi A4 3.0.

Keep in mind this is w/ a virgin tight, nowhere near broken in drivetrain! I agree w/ almost everything else you said though.
Esp. about the 4DSC thing making us look stupid. I mean seriously. If you're gonna call a mid-sized FWD car the size of the Max a 4DSC, you might as well find a way to make it handle right? Mazda, of all car companies, figured out how to give their 6 "neutral" handling. Why on earth can't Nissan?!? And it even has the requisite gosh-awful 60/40% f/r weight distribution like the Max (and basically every FWD sedan out there). But you don't hear them bragging about the 6 being a 4DSC. Although w/ a VQ powering it, I'd be hard pressed to argue against calling That a 4DSC! At least they can back up their claim of it having zoom zoom though. Way to go Nissan!!!
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tek-Niq
...I like all gens maximas and don't hate no ones car, but you 5th gen guys should consider adding bout 200 pounds to your cars and see if you can keep up...
Even though I don't own either, I agree whole-heartedly!!!
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 01:57 PM
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The Maxima is evolving and so are we guys. You know that the 6th gen itsn't a bad car...especially in comparison to outher cars in its class. I used to love the 2nd gen Maxima... When the 3rd gen came out, (although I was 9 years old) I thought that it became really rounded and not as cool looking as the 2nd gen... But then the 3rd gen grew on me and I wanted one for years. When the 4th gen came onto the scene, I thought that it was ugly and not as cool looking as the 3rd gen. I thought that it had a big butt and just plain looked funny...But then the 4th gen grew on me and the 97's came out and made them look much better. All hell broke loose with the 5th gen! "What the hell is Nissan doing to the a$$es of the Maxima?" I hated the 5th gen...at the time I had my 3rd gen. But then the 5th gen started to grow on me and the 02's came out and (IMO) made them look better... Now, I have a 5th gen, a car that I hated but now in love with. So you can see a pattern here...I think that the "6th Gen Haters" just aren't comfortable with change. And there's nothing wrong with that... The Maxima will continue to evolve and there will be more changes and I trust that Nissan will impove the 6th gen with a 6.5th gen as they have with each other generation in the past.

If you guys are looking for an alternative to the 6th gen Maxima, i'm suggesting that you save up and look into the Infiniti M. I think that car is what the Maxima should have been.
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Originally Posted by DaBoxSE
The Maxima is evolving and so are we guys. You know that the 6th gen itsn't a bad car...especially in comparison to outher cars in its class. I used to love the 2nd gen Maxima... When the 3rd gen came out, (although I was 9 years old) I thought that it became really rounded and not as cool looking as the 2nd gen... But then the 3rd gen grew on me and I wanted one for years. When the 4th gen came onto the scene, I thought that it was ugly and not as cool looking as the 3rd gen. I thought that it had a big butt and just plain looked funny...But then the 4th gen grew on me and the 97's came out and made them look much better. All hell broke loose with the 5th gen! "What the hell is Nissan doing to the a$$es of the Maxima?" I hated the 5th gen...at the time I had my 3rd gen. But then the 5th gen started to grow on me and the 02's came out and (IMO) made them look better... Now, I have a 5th gen, a car that I hated but now in love with. So you can see a pattern here...I think that the "6th Gen Haters" just aren't comfortable with change. And there's nothing wrong with that... The Maxima will continue to evolve and there will be more changes and I trust that Nissan will impove the 6th gen with a 6.5th gen as they have with each other generation in the past.

If you guys are looking for an alternative to the 6th gen Maxima, i'm suggesting that you save up and look into the Infiniti M. I think that car is what the Maxima should have been.
Exactly! the new Infiniti M really is awesome!

On a nother note, yes, things change and we have to accept that. No big deal there. But wih as picky as I am, my opinions on the 6th gen will always hold true. The first time I saw that car was over 2 years ago and I still to this day cant stand what Nissan did to it. I think more than anything, its not hating the owners or the car itself, its just a general dissappointment that I fell in Nissan with what they did to the Maxima. Ten years down the line I promise you my views will be the same.
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 05:31 PM
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personally when the 6th came out i really liked it...because i know what maxima's are based on, a sporty 4 door...i mean how can you hate a 6th generation black SE with those 18's and those sick *** HID's gleamin...navi and all the other options...seriously, the only thing that i think is wrong with it is that it is a little too heavy, but still a very quick 4 dr, especially for it's size, i mean just take any other car it's size and compare it in performance, the max comes on top in most aspects...but i do have to wonder what is in store for the max, i think it has too much power for being FWD, and if Nissan puts in a bigger engine like a 4 L then that would be even worse traction from all the power...
Old Apr 8, 2005 | 05:51 PM
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i rather get an altima se-r over the 6th gen

sad day when i choose an altima over a maxima
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Originally Posted by 04BlackMaxx
The more I read the anti-6th generation trash talk the more I need to stop and realize that some of this garbage is coming from people who have 15-20yr old maximas with a trillion miles on them who wouldnt get approved for a loan to get into a 6th gen or any of the other cars you think are a better choice (congrats on that, but it still cant be compared to the 2004-2005). I have a new car, and Im very happy about that alone, you guys gotta stop gettin off on trash talkin owners of the new maxima. geesh.

Just because you are pissed doesn't mean you have to diss those who own 3rd - 4th gen vehicles. Going on and on about who can get approved for a loan is childish, and is a big-fish-eats-smaller-fish philosophy.

I personally love the 6th gen's looks, especially the way blackmaxima2k4 has his. I own a 4th gen, and they are indeed starting to become the honda civics of the road. People with 3ft high spoilers, lambo gets, ect. It's to the point where im considering purchashing a 5.5 gen in the near future. Thats what happens when a car becomes affordable to the 18 - 24 yr old market unfortunately.

To the people who complain about the 6th gen not being fast/sporty, buy an actual sports car. The maxima was never built for running 10 second 1/4 miles, auto crossing, and nos shots.
Old Apr 9, 2005 | 07:44 AM
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I think the people that are disappointed with the 6th gens remember how the Maxima compared to its competition in the previous generations. The Maxima was once the top of the food chain in the previous generations. The 3rd gen Max tromped the fwd sport sedan competition and its only real rival was the SHO (which was an GREAT car). The 4th gen Max won import car of the year from Motortrend and was the genesis of the VQ. For its time, it outhandled, outran the camcords and was easily the best overall value under $25k.

When the 5th gens came out, it was compared to the TLS and not the Camcords because it had style, luxury, and a good dose of performance. It was also the only family sedan w/***** that was mated to a manual. These previous generations enjoyed being at the top and other other manufacturers had respect for these cars. The Maxima brand equity was at one time, the ONLY saving grace for Nissan when the Z car died.

Times are different now. We have to look at the competition rather than the previous generation to guage how good a car truly is. The 6th gens are BETTER than the previous iterations BUT its not as good as the competition anymore. The manual Accord v6 runs just as fast as the 6th gen. The TL is no longer competition any longer....it will pretty much tromp a 6th gen in all areas (luxury, looks, performance). We're not even gonna go there with the 4dsc...BMW and the G35 easily own that one.

The 6th gen is a nice car but I personally am disappointed at Nissan for not making it truly better than its peer group. I was very happy to own a 4th gen at the time because I knew that it would pretty much tromp the Camcords and run with cars that costed more. Now, owing a G35 coupe, it seems IMO that it should have been the next natural evolution of the 4DSC...
Old Apr 9, 2005 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxima-Ness
^^Thats my whole point. If you dont like it, dont buy it. Im not trying to convince anyone here on what to do. These are simply my opinions, that all. I just felt a certain way and wanted to see if anyone else did too. Im sorry if it offended anyone, I thought we had thicker skins.
You're car is ugly IMHO...thats trash talk, useless and wasnt even talking about the owners of a 5th gen anyway, you just get people who come off very nasty referring to someone new car, and they have a worthless POS. You dont see 6th gen owners trying to belittle other owners bc of their older model. This is really pointless, but you try to come off as the voice of 'reason' however you find it necessary to throw in that these cars are ugly....thats really mature for this forum, lets talk trash and then say 'oh I thought we all had thick skins?' No, its really not that, people tend to be offended when common class and courtesy is disregarded on a forum of people who all own a nissan maxima. Its inevitable you're going to **** off people who own a $30k car and feel as strongly about its good looks as you do about your own car. And no, it dosent 'hurt' to know your two cents about my car, does it hurt to know you have no class: ?



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