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Old Mar 12, 2005 | 07:50 AM
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Odometer Fraud

ok so my 96 MAxima was bought from some scum bag dealership who had turned back the odometer. I looked on carfax and figured it out. The cars last inspection was in 2002 and had 94k miles on it, averaging 36k miles a year. My odometer when i bought it read 92k miles. So it's obvious that this was a victim of fraud, and im guessing the car is about up to 150k miles. But i was wondering, when trying to sell/trade in a car with odometer fraud, would a dealership not take it or what?
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 07:55 AM
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Can you not research all the inspections since day 1? What do you mean by averaging 36 K miles a year? If the odometer read 94 K in 2002, that would make the car 6 - 7 years old and it would be averaging say 94/6.5 = 14.5 K per year.

Perhaps its the 2002 figure that is incorrect.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 08:01 AM
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Also, one way to determine if the odometer has been rolled back is to check and see if one of the digits is misaligned, ie. raised above the others and it stays that way.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 08:35 AM
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Carfax is not 100% accurate.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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well on carfax for each inspection the car was reported at a little over 36k miles each time. When i discussed this with the dealer they admitted to rolling it back and offered me money off if i still bought it. Also yes the numbers seem a bit off. i was jsut wondering how to get rid of a car that has been rolled back when you have to, seeing as most people wouldnt buy one.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 11:15 AM
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why would you buy a car from a "scumbag" dealership that told you that they rolled back the odometer?
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dookie2365
ok so my 96 MAxima was bought from some scum bag dealership who had turned back the odometer. I looked on carfax and figured it out. The cars last inspection was in 2002 and had 94k miles on it, averaging 36k miles a year. My odometer when i bought it read 92k miles. So it's obvious that this was a victim of fraud, and im guessing the car is about up to 150k miles. But i was wondering, when trying to sell/trade in a car with odometer fraud, would a dealership not take it or what?
What makes you think Carfax is accurate? They don't inspect the vehicle, nor does DMV make a record of mileage at every inspection. Only the inspection for comp insurance get recorded. When my car was 8 mos. old I switched insurance cos., and they reported the wrong mileage and it appears on carfax as if my car had 2x,xxx miles when it was 8 mos. old. Then when I moved to PA I reported my mileage accurately when I got Pennsy tags. But it looked like I drove less than 5k miles in the next year. So did I "roll back" the odometer because the carfax doesn't make any sense?

A dealership can tell if you have 150k or so on you car. Even if your ODO said 95k and it had 150k, believe me, they can tell. Who cares about Carfax? They are inaccurate, no ifs, ands, or buts. Just another way to provide a useless and unnecessary service, to those who are willing to pay. If you want carfax, you might as well invest in life insurance, credit card protection, and buy a ronco showtime rotisserie grill while you're at it. Oh, and a Dyson vacuum.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gotrice4
why would you buy a car from a "scumbag" dealership that told you that they rolled back the odometer?
that's what i'm saying.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dookie2365
i was jsut wondering how to get rid of a car that has been rolled back when you have to, seeing as most people wouldnt buy one.
good luck with that...just find someone like yourself or find another "scumbag" dealer

buying a car with a rolled-back odo for daily use =
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 01:03 PM
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i bought it still because they gave me money off and i wound up getting it for $4,000 with execllent interior exterior tranny and engine ive never had a problems, i didnt so much ask 4 your opinions on why i bought it i asked for help on what to do if i decided ot sell/trade it in. thanks to everyone that helped.
Old Mar 12, 2005 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dookie2365
i bought it still because they gave me money off and i wound up getting it for $4,000 with execllent interior exterior tranny and engine ive never had a problems, i didnt so much ask 4 your opinions on why i bought it i asked for help on what to do if i decided ot sell/trade it in. thanks to everyone that helped.
It looked more like a question than an opinion. You take your chances when you post on this forum. You won't always like the responses you get so it's best to let it roll off your back. If you are happy with the car, just drive it till the wheels fall off and don't worry about reselling it.
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:15 AM
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When you sell or trade you sign a form stating that the mileage on the odometer is accurate. If you do sign for an inaccurate reading that is considered odometer fraud and is a federal offense!
Old Mar 13, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil75070
When you sell or trade you sign a form stating that the mileage on the odometer is accurate. If you do sign for an inaccurate reading that is considered odometer fraud and is a federal offense!
his signing it isn't an offense. the odo said 92### when he bought and i'm sure the form said 92###. if the car showed 15000 and the form showed 92### then there'd be some issues. the way it sounds he was verbally told it was rolled back...if it was known to be rolled back then the title should reflect that or a form he signed should reflect that. he's not committing an offense and the dealer isn't unless they rolled it back and hid that fact...
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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He committed no offense in signing for the mileage shown when he took delivery of the car. He was told, however, that the mileage was rolled back and the dealer incentivized him to accept it. When he turns around and sells or trades in the car he is potentially liable for Federal and/or State penalties to include fines and/or imprisonment if he signs a false statement. There is a place on the form you can check if the odometer reading is NOT the actual mileage.
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank Fontaine
A dealership can tell if you have 150k or so on you car. Even if your ODO said 95k and it had 150k, believe me, they can tell. Who cares about Carfax? They are inaccurate, no ifs, ands, or buts. Just another way to provide a useless and unnecessary service, to those who are willing to pay. If you want carfax, you might as well invest in life insurance, credit card protection, and buy a ronco showtime rotisserie grill while you're at it. Oh, and a Dyson vacuum.

hey i resent that.....its so simple....just SET IT AND.....
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 11:10 AM
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Carfax kept me from buying a lemon. I put a down payment on a car (from Nissan Dealer). Went home and did a carfax. Car came up as a Dealer buy(LEMON) back for the Sate of New Jersey. Dealer never mentioned it. It would have shown up on the title, if I continued with the purchase.
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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All I can say is that this thread is completely pointless. Obviously you KNEW that the odometer was rolled back prior to you purchasing the car, YET you chose to..cause a 96 maxima for $4000 was that great a steal Now you want to know how to offload that same car on someone else. I will and no one else on here will be party to you getting rid of a car that could be a problem (key word is COULD).

If the car is in as great a condition as you say...then keep it..and don't worry about selling it.
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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man if someone told me a car was rolled back, i still woundnt buy it for a couple k's off. good luck trying to pawn it off to someone else. maybe run it till the motor dies and sell the chassis.
Old Mar 14, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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Take them to court...make some money off those bastards
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MaximaPolak
Take them to court...make some money off those bastards
Please read the post properly...he KNEW the car was rolled back. The dealer admitted it and he STILL bought it. At that point he doesn't have a leg to stand on in court.


Maxima Owner: Good Morning your Honor, I bought a car I knew was rolled back, and now I want to sue them.

Judge: What are you wasting my time for?

Maxima Owner: Um......I thought.......

Judge: You thought wrong, Case dismissed and please don't waste my time with these types of crap again. Make sure you pay your court fees on the way out
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 05:25 AM
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who cares, there's not much difference between 95k and 150k mi on a car that is 9 yrs old. Having said that, even if he will mark his title as odo reading is off, he will have no problem selling his nice and clean 4th gen for 2 grand, anytime of the day.
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by dookie2365
ok so my 96 MAxima was bought from some scum bag dealership who had turned back the odometer. I looked on carfax and figured it out. The cars last inspection was in 2002 and had 94k miles on it, averaging 36k miles a year. My odometer when i bought it read 92k miles. So it's obvious that this was a victim of fraud, and im guessing the car is about up to 150k miles. But i was wondering, when trying to sell/trade in a car with odometer fraud, would a dealership not take it or what?
I've worked for a couple of dealerships in the past, and here's what I've seen firsthand: Depending on the dealership and their level of competence (as well as if they are lazy or not...), they won't base their decision of whether to buy or take your car in on trade using CarFax. Heck, some of them don't even USE CarFax at all!! YES... they'll look at mileage. But moreso, they'll look at the overall condition of the car and if it's nice enuff, they'll buy it(which is pretty much what Y2KMaxGXE-R said).

Originally Posted by Frank Fontaine
...A dealership can tell if you have 150k or so on you car. Even if your ODO said 95k and it had 150k, believe me, they can tell...
Frank, I'm not trying to start nothing, but how do you know that a dealer can tell?? I tend to disagree
Old Mar 15, 2005 | 02:55 PM
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Frank, I'm not trying to start nothing, but how do you know that a dealer can tell?? I tend to disagree
If you disagree, you're implying that dealerships can get duped by consumers who tamper with their ODO's. I highly doubt that is the case, because the dealer is looking to make money on the sale of the new car, and the retail sale of the trade-in or wholesaling of that vehicle. One simple way to estimate mileage is by looking at the condition of the brake pedal, or any of the other rubber parts such as bushings, boots, etc. When people commit fraud, they try to take tens of thousands of miles off, and that usually doesn't work with people in the car business. Whatever your occupation may be, can a lay person easily rip you off? Unlikely...
Old Mar 16, 2005 | 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank Fontaine
If you disagree, you're implying that dealerships can get duped by consumers who tamper with their ODO's. I highly doubt that is the case, because the dealer is looking to make money on the sale of the new car, and the retail sale of the trade-in or wholesaling of that vehicle. One simple way to estimate mileage is by looking at the condition of the brake pedal, or any of the other rubber parts such as bushings, boots, etc. When people commit fraud, they try to take tens of thousands of miles off, and that usually doesn't work with people in the car business. Whatever your occupation may be, can a lay person easily rip you off? Unlikely...
Point taken... and good way to look at it.
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