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10-09-2000, 12:14 PM
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*If you haven't been to the track before, you won't know what the hell I'm talking about.
After reading an interesting write up in Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords about thier project "Stone Pony" (mostly stock 95 automatic GT) I became very interested in a track technique the write kept referring to. I'm talking about shallow and deep staging on the line. Throught out the article, he said that if he shallow staged, his 60 foots improved by .15-.20 seconds and his mph went up 1.5-2mphs, but his reaction times improved. If he deep staged his ets were slower by the same margine, but his reaction times improved dramatically. He had a print out of his 9 runs in one evening showing whether he deep staged or shallow staged and the runs were all consistent and showed the advantage either in reaction time or 60 foot. I was amazed.
Shallow staging: Roll up and set the pre-stage light and then creep just until the stage light comes on. This will give you an extra 7-8" of roll-out before the timing devices are tripped. So you actually could be going 1-2mph before the timing begins.
Deep staging (for the bracket racers): Roll up and set the prestage light and then roll up as far as you can go in the Stage light. Some guys actually set off the staging lights and back up to set on the lights again (track officals don't like this).
Next time I'm out at the track I'm gonna try this and see what happens.
Dave
After reading an interesting write up in Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords about thier project "Stone Pony" (mostly stock 95 automatic GT) I became very interested in a track technique the write kept referring to. I'm talking about shallow and deep staging on the line. Throught out the article, he said that if he shallow staged, his 60 foots improved by .15-.20 seconds and his mph went up 1.5-2mphs, but his reaction times improved. If he deep staged his ets were slower by the same margine, but his reaction times improved dramatically. He had a print out of his 9 runs in one evening showing whether he deep staged or shallow staged and the runs were all consistent and showed the advantage either in reaction time or 60 foot. I was amazed.
Shallow staging: Roll up and set the pre-stage light and then creep just until the stage light comes on. This will give you an extra 7-8" of roll-out before the timing devices are tripped. So you actually could be going 1-2mph before the timing begins.
Deep staging (for the bracket racers): Roll up and set the prestage light and then roll up as far as you can go in the Stage light. Some guys actually set off the staging lights and back up to set on the lights again (track officals don't like this).
Next time I'm out at the track I'm gonna try this and see what happens.
Dave
10-09-2000, 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dave B
*If you haven't been to the track before, you won't know what the hell I'm talking about.
After reading an interesting write up in Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords about thier project "Stone Pony" (mostly stock 95 automatic GT) I became very interested in a track technique the write kept referring to. I'm talking about shallow and deep staging on the line. Throught out the article, he said that if he shallow staged, his 60 foots improved by .15-.20 seconds and his mph went up 1.5-2mphs, but his reaction times improved. If he deep staged his ets were slower by the same margine, but his reaction times improved dramatically. He had a print out of his 9 runs in one evening showing whether he deep staged or shallow staged and the runs were all consistent and showed the advantage either in reaction time or 60 foot. I was amazed.
Shallow staging: Roll up and set the pre-stage light and then creep just until the stage light comes on. This will give you an extra 7-8" of roll-out before the timing devices are tripped. So you actually could be going 1-2mph before the timing begins.
Deep staging (for the bracket racers): Roll up and set the prestage light and then roll up as far as you can go in the Stage light. Some guys actually set off the staging lights and back up to set on the lights again (track officals don't like this).
Next time I'm out at the track I'm gonna try this and see what happens.
Dave
*If you haven't been to the track before, you won't know what the hell I'm talking about.
After reading an interesting write up in Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords about thier project "Stone Pony" (mostly stock 95 automatic GT) I became very interested in a track technique the write kept referring to. I'm talking about shallow and deep staging on the line. Throught out the article, he said that if he shallow staged, his 60 foots improved by .15-.20 seconds and his mph went up 1.5-2mphs, but his reaction times improved. If he deep staged his ets were slower by the same margine, but his reaction times improved dramatically. He had a print out of his 9 runs in one evening showing whether he deep staged or shallow staged and the runs were all consistent and showed the advantage either in reaction time or 60 foot. I was amazed.
Shallow staging: Roll up and set the pre-stage light and then creep just until the stage light comes on. This will give you an extra 7-8" of roll-out before the timing devices are tripped. So you actually could be going 1-2mph before the timing begins.
Deep staging (for the bracket racers): Roll up and set the prestage light and then roll up as far as you can go in the Stage light. Some guys actually set off the staging lights and back up to set on the lights again (track officals don't like this).
Next time I'm out at the track I'm gonna try this and see what happens.
Dave
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05-25-2002, 09:58 PM
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Show some ettiquette when racing
It is bad form to light up both of your pre-stage lights before your opponent does. It is good form for you to light up your first Pre-stage lights and wait for your opponent to do the same. Then when they have lit up their first set of pre-stage lights go ahead and light your 2nd row and get ready to race. Consider it good manners.
If you are deep staging then go ahead and line up.
If you are deep staging then go ahead and line up.
05-25-2002, 11:16 PM
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Re: Show some ettiquette when racing
Originally posted by jgadlage
It is bad form to light up both of your pre-stage lights before your opponent does. It is good form for you to light up your first Pre-stage lights and wait for your opponent to do the same. Then when they have lit up their first set of pre-stage lights go ahead and light your 2nd row and get ready to race. Consider it good manners.
If you are deep staging then go ahead and line up.
It is bad form to light up both of your pre-stage lights before your opponent does. It is good form for you to light up your first Pre-stage lights and wait for your opponent to do the same. Then when they have lit up their first set of pre-stage lights go ahead and light your 2nd row and get ready to race. Consider it good manners.
If you are deep staging then go ahead and line up.
First time I've heard this one. I dont see the reasoning behind it though. The track official wont start the clock until both cars are fully staged anyway.
05-25-2002, 11:38 PM
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Re: Show some ettiquette when racing
Originally posted by jgadlage
It is bad form to light up both of your pre-stage lights before your opponent does. It is good form for you to light up your first Pre-stage lights and wait for your opponent to do the same. Then when they have lit up their first set of pre-stage lights go ahead and light your 2nd row and get ready to race. Consider it good manners.
If you are deep staging then go ahead and line up.
It is bad form to light up both of your pre-stage lights before your opponent does. It is good form for you to light up your first Pre-stage lights and wait for your opponent to do the same. Then when they have lit up their first set of pre-stage lights go ahead and light your 2nd row and get ready to race. Consider it good manners.
If you are deep staging then go ahead and line up.
I ALWAYS allow my opponent to set off his Pre-Stage light before I set my Stage light. The only reason it's consider poor ettique to Pre-Stage and Stage before your opponent is when you're running on a Pro-Tree with the .400 light and a true race. Why is this rude? Because you're forcing your opponent to quickly line up and race. 1.5 seconds after he Stages, the Christmas tree starts it's countdown. You're giving him no time to get "comfortable". In Grudge racing, it doesn't make a lick of difference, but I still do it just to show I have some respect for my opponent.
Dave
05-26-2002, 09:42 AM
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Re: holy cow!!!!
Originally posted by Nismo87SE
I remember when this was first posted
. Good job with the archiving 
. Basically shallow stage for better 60'/trapspeed and deep stage for lower ET.
I remember when this was first posted
. Good job with the archiving . Basically shallow stage for better 60'/trapspeed and deep stage for lower ET.
05-26-2002, 10:32 AM
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Re: holy cow!!!!
Originally posted by Nismo87SE
I remember when this was first posted. Good job with the archiving . Basically shallow stage for better 60'/trapspeed and deep stage for lower ET.
I remember when this was first posted
. Good job with the archiving . Basically shallow stage for better 60'/trapspeed and deep stage for lower ET.
Trevor-
Yes, my experience is shallow staging does help. Watch me at the track next time. I set the Pre-stage light, then roll real slowly until I see the Stage light come on.
Dave
05-26-2002, 10:47 AM
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Re: Re: holy cow!!!!
Originally posted by Dave B
Deep staging doesn't get you a lower ET. It gets you better reaction times which is much more important during bracket racing. Shallow staging will get better 60 foots and better ETs/MPHs. The only advantage of deep staging is in bracket racing.
Trevor-
Yes, my experience is shallow staging does help. Watch me at the track next time. I set the Pre-stage light, then roll real slowly until I see the Stage light come on.
Dave
Deep staging doesn't get you a lower ET. It gets you better reaction times which is much more important during bracket racing. Shallow staging will get better 60 foots and better ETs/MPHs. The only advantage of deep staging is in bracket racing.
Trevor-
Yes, my experience is shallow staging does help. Watch me at the track next time. I set the Pre-stage light, then roll real slowly until I see the Stage light come on.
Dave
05-26-2002, 11:55 AM
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Re: Re: Show some ettiquette when racing
Originally posted by Dave B
I ALWAYS allow my opponent to set off his Pre-Stage light before I set my Stage light. The only reason it's consider poor ettique to Pre-Stage and Stage before your opponent is when you're running on a Pro-Tree with the .400 light and a true race. Why is this rude? Because you're forcing your opponent to quickly line up and race. 1.5 seconds after he Stages, the Christmas tree starts it's countdown. You're giving him no time to get "comfortable". In Grudge racing, it doesn't make a lick of difference, but I still do it just to show I have some respect for my opponent.
I ALWAYS allow my opponent to set off his Pre-Stage light before I set my Stage light. The only reason it's consider poor ettique to Pre-Stage and Stage before your opponent is when you're running on a Pro-Tree with the .400 light and a true race. Why is this rude? Because you're forcing your opponent to quickly line up and race. 1.5 seconds after he Stages, the Christmas tree starts it's countdown. You're giving him no time to get "comfortable". In Grudge racing, it doesn't make a lick of difference, but I still do it just to show I have some respect for my opponent.
05-26-2002, 12:08 PM
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Shallow staging...isn't that what we suppose to do anyway? I thought that's the norm. That's what I always do when I'm at the track. I just creep up enough to light up the stage light.
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