i was curious to know if there would be any benefit of directly adding oxygen in the engine. would the extra oxygen helkp the engine combust more properly? would there be a similar effect to nitrous?

 

. kaboom

 

how would u add more oxygen?

 

by tking a 10-15 lb of oxygen and running a line to the intke path, just like u would with a nitrous line..

 

y kaboom, im not talking about only igniting pure oxygen, simply raising the amount of oxygen in the air entering the motor

 

where would this supply of oxygen be refilled at?

 

my job, lol we have ample amounts of it laying around.

 

i was just reading up on nitrous and its very much the same principle, nitrous oxide is injected to release extra oxygen from the molecule and raise cylinder pressure, so i would be basically cutting out the nitrogen and directly injecting oxygen.

 

boost it. problem solved.

 

If the purpose of nitrous oxide is to get extra oxygen into the system, then I'm sure that there must be a problem with adding pure O2 into the system. If not, then that's probably what they'd be selling now. I mean, that would be the most obvious answer to the problem don't you think? Design engineers wouldn't go... hmmm we need more oxygen in the system... how about I add some molecule that has oxygen in it, with other stuff too. If all they really needed was oxygen.

I think it was probably more like, hmmm... we need more oxygen.... I could use pure O2, but that would cause XXX problem. So we can't use that. Must find another way... how about NO2? Sure, that would work. Genius! Nobel Prize here I come!

 

Just get nitrous...

The headaches will be far less.

 

You're on the right track. Air is only 21% oxygen. NOS has 1 oxygen atom per 2 nitrogen, so it has 33% oxygen. You see how much difference that makes already. Now imagine going to 100% oxygen. The combustion happens so fast, your engine goes kaboom instead of squish-bang. Plus welders combine oxygen with a flamable gas to create an extremely hot flame. The same thing would happen if you injected it into your engine. Basically, you'd melt everything in sight.

 

Oh, and to address this question: If all the sensors and everything in your engine are working as they should, your engine will combust properly. The engineers have worked out a certain fuel to air ratio. Just adding air may make your engine run too lean and too hot. Both conditions are detrimental to your engine. Because believe it or not, gasoline serves as a temperature regulator and lubricant. The engineers have counted on this when designing the engine. So stock combustion = proper combustion.

 

I suppose you could inject pure oxygen and get away with it if the injection rate were low enough. You would also have to inject the appropriate amount of additional fuel, otherwise you will run lean and won't make any additional power.

This idea was tried a long time ago by engine researchers. The fact that it is not done today says a lot about how difficult it is to keep from burning up your engine due to the uncontrollable burn rate, like bigEl says. Nitrous is a much better way to introduce additional oxidizer because the oxygen is not released from the molecule except at high temperatures seen in the combustion chamber towards the middle and end of the power stroke. This results in a much more stable oxidizer with a usable burn rate.

 

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....AD23CA9564&p=0

u COULD try something like this...but thats extremely ghetto

 

...yeah, cuz filters are for puzzys

 

N2O is used specifically because when it breaks down into N2 and O2, the free nitrogen acts as a buffer to keep combustion temps down.

Also, by itself, it's not flammable or dangerous.

 

then i guess going back to nitrous it is! lol, see this is why the org owns, everybody has input on topics.

 

Yeah, it's a rarity.

 

The result of the first test of pure oxygen into an engine.

Honda file photo:

 

Bigtime safety issue having a pure oxygen line plumbed to your engine; don't do it. As mzmtg said, nitrous (N2O) is non-flammable at ambient temps, so if the line were to leak it wouldn't be hazardous, whereas if the oxygen line were to leak and someone flicked a butt towards your car, you could kiss the surrounding 200 ft goodbye.

 

Actually, it's a hard concept to understand, but neither gas is flammable by itself. They only oxidize whatever flammable material is present. Once the fuel is exhausted, both gases are pretty much inert in the sense that they won't continue to react. The problem in the real world is that there's usually no shortage of material that can serve as a fuel source.

 

So what happens when you get in an accident with an LOX tank in your trunk... LOX = LOLwtfpwnd

 

Leaf Blown!!!

 

oxygeNAWZ!!! F&F 3>*

but seriously I hope you don't kill yourself. This guy I used to work with just died last night and I am reminded that tomorrow is not promised...

 

of course a honda owner and a bunch of kids would try this (im not a kid... im a teenager.. ) seriously.. what are you gonna do... put a midget under your hood ans make him hold the leaf blower?????

 

Everytime i think of that video, i start thinking how i could amplify the effect of the leaf blower, and always come up to the basically same concept as a turbo haha turbo-----

 

well you could put some very powerfull leaf blower in the trunk, maybe even 2, hell, put 5 back there, and run a vacuum line through the interior and through the firewall. I bet if you attached like 5 leaf blowers to your intake snorkel, you would get some mad tyte pawah!!! But no really, u prolly would get some good power considering that guy got 10whp from one leaf blower...

 

now if i can only find a way to attach the leaf blower's speed cable, to my car's throtle cable?!?!?!
I can have a home made turbo.

 

Go with the nitrous. Are you going to be at maxout on the 30th. I am driving down on Monday.

Warren

 

Just use nitrous, pure oxygen can be dangerous when you have it around anything that is flammable as it makes flammable materials combust more readily, even without a flame or spark. When I was in school for aviation maintenance they showed us a video of a guy throwing a potato chip bag into an oxygen enriched environment and the peanut oil on it ignited immediately with no ignition source. It's even worse when petroleum products are introduced. We can't even work on pure oxygen systems with tools that have been used for any other reason than for an o2 system because they may be contaminated with grease or oil and start a fire.

 

please do the pure O2 thing. it will just prove Darwin's therory even more! better yet use a gressy air line to fill the bottle.......this is a bad joke right...

 

i am an aviation mechanic. so do you have your a&p? hope all you all have a great X-mas. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BE SAFE !!!!! bye

 

I've taken the writtens but haven't taken the oral and practicals yet, supposed to next month.

 

before u try and flame people and their topics, have some more time behind you, also always remember to properly spell......

 

btw for everyone who thinks im retarded for bringin this topic up.... it was just curiousity and i can also say i recieved this today. just in time for x-mas.....

 

Excellent, looks like a very Merry Christmas...

 

No atom of any unqiue element is the same size. The atomic weight of an oxygen atom is approximately 16, nitrogen, approximately 14... SOooo N20(mass) = 2N + O = 2(14) + 16 = 44 amu. Annd % oxygen = 16/44 = 36.7%
BTW, I hated chemistry.

 

did I miss something or what? as far as the flame - I have seen the results of someone messing with O-2 and it wasn't pretty.

 

I saw a video where they used a leaf blower to push more air into the intake manifold and on the dyno it added something like 20hp. Then they sprayed the blower with nitrous while it was blowing to created a cold air effect and it boosted to 30 horsepower. These numbers are approximate, I saw the video a while back but I do remember being rather suprised.