Shifting gears with Automatic Tranny
i should have access to a camera shortly. i will be posting a dig as well as a roll run. i will bet that i gain more length from a dig than the roll despite my weakness in in low end torque.
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Originally Posted by igzy
I don't think you read the entire thread, we are saying that from a roll an auto has a good chance against a manual, not a 1/4 mile or from a dead stop... Hopefully our friend will post a video here and put this to rest for you disbelievers and auto-haterz
Yes, sloppymax has an upgraded NA auto and he challenged and beat a mildly mod'ed manual (cat-back + intake), and people don't believe it...Nobody here is disputing the advantages of a stock manual vs stock auto from a stop, and the inherited drive-train loss on autos... All we are saying is that autos are not turtles as many believe and that a moded auto can take even a mildly mod'ed manual from a roll as sloppymax claimed and is being challenged on and asked to provide video of...
I use the shifter when doing a u-turn so it dosnt shift into 2nd while turning then accelerate and have a major lag while cars are coming at me! lol. so i keep it on 1 while doing the turn then accelerate instantly with no lag and move shifter to D to let tranny do the rest of the job.
and about the auto vs 6mt. I again had my shifter on 1st with rpms at around 3k(dont remember) while he was on 2nd (5sp 4thgen as well almost same mods.) When we took off i jumped on him about a full car and kept pulling till he was about 2 cars behind and stayed there... reason why my auto pulled so much on his 5sp was because since he cant downshift into 1st at 40mph. and im already on 1st. im at my powerband while he is below it. so thats y i jumpd n pulled on him. maybe thats the same thing that happend with this case being mentined.
and about the auto vs 6mt. I again had my shifter on 1st with rpms at around 3k(dont remember) while he was on 2nd (5sp 4thgen as well almost same mods.) When we took off i jumped on him about a full car and kept pulling till he was about 2 cars behind and stayed there... reason why my auto pulled so much on his 5sp was because since he cant downshift into 1st at 40mph. and im already on 1st. im at my powerband while he is below it. so thats y i jumpd n pulled on him. maybe thats the same thing that happend with this case being mentined.
Originally Posted by sloppymax
i should have access to a camera shortly. i will be posting a dig as well as a roll run. i will bet that i gain more length from a dig than the roll despite my weakness in in low end torque.
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On my 2003, the side to side motion between D and 3 is fairly light. Is that a common thing or do others find it to be stiffer? I was just thinking that if it should be stiffer, there might be a way to adjust it.
The reason I ask, is that I was driving on the highway and my wife went to grab her coffee from the cup holder and accidently hit the shifter and knocked the car into 3 from D. We were doing about 120kmh (75mph) when it happened and it really freaked me out!!
The reason I ask, is that I was driving on the highway and my wife went to grab her coffee from the cup holder and accidently hit the shifter and knocked the car into 3 from D. We were doing about 120kmh (75mph) when it happened and it really freaked me out!!
Originally Posted by abcabccba
Either they couldn't shift or your car had more HP due to upgrades.
An auto has more driveline loss than a manual.
Look at any 0-60 or 1/4 mile time for any manual vs. auto. The auto is always slower, as a manual can simply put more power to the ground. I don't doubt your claim, it certainly is possible, but an auto is not the monster of anything unless it's highly upgraded and you are drag racing.
How is this a debate? Every once in a while wouldn't hurt, but pretending you drive a stick and shifting manually every day is stupid. Aside from how gay you look actually doing it, the OEM transmission wasn't designed for that. That is great if peoples have survived so far, but shifting yourself isn't helping anything. Redlining your car in first then shifting into 2nd undoubtedly gives some wear and tear, regardless of transmission type. You can't just get a new clutch for an auto though... Also, why downshift manually when your transmission will do it for you if you floor it? Makes no sense to me, when the computer pretty much ends up controlling if it even goes into the gear you select or not anyway.
An auto has more driveline loss than a manual.
Look at any 0-60 or 1/4 mile time for any manual vs. auto. The auto is always slower, as a manual can simply put more power to the ground. I don't doubt your claim, it certainly is possible, but an auto is not the monster of anything unless it's highly upgraded and you are drag racing.
How is this a debate? Every once in a while wouldn't hurt, but pretending you drive a stick and shifting manually every day is stupid. Aside from how gay you look actually doing it, the OEM transmission wasn't designed for that. That is great if peoples have survived so far, but shifting yourself isn't helping anything. Redlining your car in first then shifting into 2nd undoubtedly gives some wear and tear, regardless of transmission type. You can't just get a new clutch for an auto though... Also, why downshift manually when your transmission will do it for you if you floor it? Makes no sense to me, when the computer pretty much ends up controlling if it even goes into the gear you select or not anyway.
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I was curious this weekend and tried to shift in my automatic. Few things I noticed:
1) I cannot shift out of first gear. If I'm in second I can switch to 'D' but cannot shift out of first, seems like it was "locked". (Maybe I was afraid to push it too hard for fear of breaking it)
2) In first gear at about 4000 RPMs my car sounded like it needed to be shifted up. I wanted to redline it but maybe once again I was afraid to push it.
What is the proper way to shift an automatic between the gears if doing it manually, both up and down. E.g. At what speed/RPM is a downshift required?
1) I cannot shift out of first gear. If I'm in second I can switch to 'D' but cannot shift out of first, seems like it was "locked". (Maybe I was afraid to push it too hard for fear of breaking it)
2) In first gear at about 4000 RPMs my car sounded like it needed to be shifted up. I wanted to redline it but maybe once again I was afraid to push it.
What is the proper way to shift an automatic between the gears if doing it manually, both up and down. E.g. At what speed/RPM is a downshift required?
There is no proper way to shift an auto manually.. just dont do it period dude. you wont get anything out of it. only a broken tranny. Simply accept the way the car automatically shifts and leave it. it was not meant to shift up n down while driving, thats why they have 5sp's
i still don't understand the fact why some of you "upshift" or "downshift" an automatic transmission. It's been drilled into my skull that 3 2 1 and D are different gear selections for various road conditions (hills (going up & down) or icy roads/slippery roads).
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Originally Posted by NisMoN00B
i still don't understand the fact why some of you "upshift" or "downshift" an automatic transmission. It's been drilled into my skull that 3 2 1 and D are different gear selections for various road conditions (hills (going up & down) or icy roads/slippery roads).I'm sorry for being a noob and asking noob questions, but can you explain to me when to use each gear. I only know to use first gear for hills.
depends how fast ur going to go up that hill, but eitherway u would have to stop the car, and shift it to 2nd or w/e gear, then accelerate again, not shift while moving, 1st gear prob wouldnt be used for a hill, if its not a bad hill u would just take O/D Off, and thats it. OD off n on is the only thing i would do while the car is moving. if u dont live in a place where there are hills i wouldnt even waste time figuring this stuff out if i were u, just brings more confusion
Originally Posted by streetzlegend
cuz they dont care about their transmissions braking
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just let it go
Leave it in manual shift and floor it. The tranny will auto shift at Red Line.
Works on my '06.
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Works on my '06.
I have a 2000 and want to change the oxygen sensors. Anybody know the OEM numbers? Non-cal. emissions.
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the only time i move the shifter was from D to Nuetral, so my stops are very smooth, i think the best way to "shift" in an automatic is just to use extensive pedal control, once the pedal is depressed to a certain point it would shift down, and if it doesn't it is prolly doing that for your benefit, if u want it to upshift lift u foot off the gas then step on it lighter, that seems to work for me just my 2 cents
Originally Posted by sloppymax
you completely swayed me from shifting my auto with your indepth knowledge and understanding of variable intake manifolds, tcm shifting before redline and making peak power at redline. i am so convinced that i will soon change my name to zloppymax in honor of your wisdom.
Originally Posted by streetzlegend
There is no proper way to shift an auto manually.. just dont do it period dude. you wont get anything out of it. only a broken tranny. Simply accept the way the car automatically shifts and leave it. it was not meant to shift up n down while driving, thats why they have 5sp's
Originally Posted by Blu←
you are an idiot, and obviously you have never been at a drag strip, auto cross or road course with an Automatic car. I manually shifted my 02 Auto for almost 3 years without a problem while I was at the track racing it. The car ran quicker, faster and that I know for a fact. Don't come at me with the you have an Auto bc you can't drive a manual BS either because you don't want to get in that arguement with me.
Originally Posted by streetzlegend
haha why are you getting a tittie attack offending me n ****. and nope i havent been to a strip or autocross, and even if i spent 3 years shifting my automatic does not mean its a proper thing to do, yea you are quicker n u take advantage of holding it at w/e rpm u want but that does not mean its a good thing. theres always people like you that "know" so much and come on threads screwing them up with your cocky attitudes instead of simply having a discussion with your point of view.
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with usim, wouldnt the extra 500 rpms or so be a waste of time anyways tho? say like 1/4 mile, is manually shifting at redline really doing anything positive?....on a side note, wen i floor it, it gets pretty darn close to redline on its own, as close as one would need it anyways i assume, so i just leave it
Originally Posted by MaximaSpd85
with usim, wouldnt the extra 500 rpms or so be a waste of time anyways tho? say like 1/4 mile, is manually shifting at redline really doing anything positive?....on a side note, wen i floor it, it gets pretty darn close to redline on its own, as close as one would need it anyways i assume, so i just leave it
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Originally Posted by Blu←
you are an idiot, and obviously you have never been at a drag strip, auto cross or road course with an Automatic car. I manually shifted my 02 Auto for almost 3 years without a problem while I was at the track racing it. The car ran quicker, faster and that I know for a fact. Don't come at me with the you have an Auto bc you can't drive a manual BS either because you don't want to get in that arguement with me.
Originally Posted by igzy
I don't think you read the entire thread, we are saying that from a roll an auto has a good chance against a manual, not a 1/4 mile or from a dead stop... Hopefully our friend will post a video here and put this to rest for you disbelievers and auto-haterz
Originally Posted by fociis
Blu←: Do you shift up and down at the track? At what RPMs/speed do you shift? How much faster of a launch, e.g. time saved do you get?
Originally Posted by Blu←
but you specifically stated that you wouldn't get anything out of manually shifting an auto besides broken transmissions. Now you are saying something different, which is it? I dont have a cocky attitude, my patience for ignorance and people babbling about something they have no clue about is whats annoying. Please explain to me how manually shifting an Auto to get an extra 500rpms out of the power band is bad for the car.
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Originally Posted by ronwhite1
Anybody know where I can go to get useful information in this forum. I'm looking for 2000 o2 sensors, OEM, non-cal.
Thanks,
Ron
Thanks,
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This is not an o2 sensor thread. Please do not do that again.
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You can however try courtesyparts.com or pm Dave B
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