Even if he does whip a maxima..........his car will always be a pontiac!........big time POS!

 

You only speak the truth.

 

Yeah.....the loser...... "i have a gtp, im the man"

WHOOOPTEEFRIGGIN DO..........

My condolences for purchasing a pontiac!

 

apperantly it warrants 5 FREAKIN' pages posts! crazy!, but then i DO have a life! (<-- oh man, i can see the flames coming from that statement! 8)

 

Now there's an intelligent reply for you, I see you guys get your share of ignorant post's over here also. Nothing wrong with a little "Rah-rah" for your car but then you have to take it to an 8th grade level......."Oh yeah? Well your car is such a big POS that it would take a toilet the size of the Grand Canyon to flush it down!!" Please.

FWIW, Ive gotten 70,000 trouble-free miles out of my car, never in the shop once. It may not have the build-quality of a Nissan but I have no doubt I will get plenty more trouble free miles out of the 3.8, they have a pretty good rep also.


Later,

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aaron95SE
Yeah.....the loser...... "i have a gtp, im the man"

WHOOOPTEEFRIGGIN DO..........

My condolences for purchasing a pontiac!







Yeah, thats exactly what I was saying. Im glad you've arrived on the scene......now you can translate everything I say into Maxima-speak for the rest of the Max'ers. One thing you have to appreciate though, immaturity and ignorance can be quite entertaining.


Later,

 

He's back! Hey, you gonna take me up man? You're only two states away... Here's the deal, I'll go out there and drag race you, and you come out here to an autox. We'll average the times of all the races, and use the difference to determine a winner. It's all good man

 

"They may not have the build quality of Nissan".......LOL.....they have NO build quality like most GM's. I was behind a *new* Caviler yesterday....the rear tails didn't even line up wiht the tunk on once side (kinda hard to explain).

As deathwish would say "Those cars are put together by a team of trained monkeys"



BTW: One think I like to slam gm for is that L to L they can never match import hp and torque ratings for an engine of the same size......w/o adding a blower.

Look at GM's "New" 3.5L dohc v6. 215hp/230ft-lbs of torque.
Nissans new 3.5L 240hp/268ft-lbs and 250hp in 5sp tune.

GM's also got a new 4.2L v6 dohc for their suv's....250hp/250ft-lbs of torque. WOW 10 more hp and LESS torque out of an engine that is MUCH larger.....I tell you I don't know how they do it.......sell cars that is.

Smile all,
Mike S.

 

I'm not gonna say the GTP is a POS, but they do have some issues especially with mods. The 3.8 motor has a good rep, but the SC 3.8 doesn't. It's the 3.8 that is highly rated not the SC. The GTPs do have pretty serious problems with trannies failing once you throw some mods on. Plus the GTPs are plagued with electrical gremlins. BUT I must add that most of the serious problems associated with the GTP are due to the car being pushed past it's limits. Modding up to 280+hp and 320 ft/lbs of torque will start to break stuff. The Maxima tranny is the same way.

The reason I skipped the GTP was because I wanted a 5 speed and I HATE the mandatory 150-button-gizmo Pontiac interior.

Dave

 

Maybe during the self pity and moping session for being flamed i will regress and trade in the max for a GTP................nooootttttt

GTP Guy, no busting you as a person......i just hate pontiacs but i love you man :P

 

A case of old-tech(GTP) vs new-tech(Us). We've got a far more advanced engine in the VQ than GM has with it's 3800 V6. Keep in mind, our engine was originally purposed for a racing series in Japan. It's quieter, smoother, high-revving, and much more compact. GM's closest-sized engine to our is a 3.1L V6 with a paltry 160hp!

For the smaller displacement, our engine is so much better. That's why the 3800s only make about 45 more hp when SC'd(195 NA), and we can get about double that(and a huge hp advantage) when we SC our VQs. It's just more efficient.

Oh, and the other thing: Just about everyone and his granny knows the GTP is SC'd. Hardly anyone knows about the abilities of the Max. I dunno about you, but I like having an auto sleeper that can easily lay down rubber stock My buddy with his V6 Camry never stood a chance.

 

Hmmmm, either he doesn't think I'm serious, or he's afraid

 

*creeeek, creeeeeeek, pop!*

 

I like to call it the ping of death. It strikes fear into the heart of my opponents, as well as my passengers.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Black VQ
[I]A case of old-tech(GTP) vs new-tech(Us). We've got a far more advanced engine in the VQ than GM has with it's 3800 V6. Keep in mind, our engine was originally purposed for a racing series in Japan. It's quieter, smoother, high-revving, and much more compact. GM's closest-sized engine to our is a 3.1L V6 with a paltry 160hp!

I agree w/ the hp/size of engine thing. I think they are just trying to squeeze some life out of that ol'e 3.8 liter V6. SC is just an easy way of doing it. I *think* the engine electronics are sub-vended oem application from Electromotive. Very high tech firm here for stand alone engine management sytems. That's why they have those funky hockey puck lookin' coil dealies mounted on the side of the engine.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aaron95SE
Yeah.....the loser...... "i have a gtp, im the man"




Sorry, I guess I took the label "loser" the wrong way. Also the mis-quote......I dont know what I was thinking. All in good fun though, right?


Later,

 

Uh, I guess you could say I am scared. You see, I am a drag-racing wimp. I like my speed in a straight line. I get absolutely no thrill out of trying to push my car right to the point of losing control in curves. So you come here and drag-race me....I'll put a good whipping on you and then I'll throw in the towel on the AutoX and we'll call it a tie, OK? Nothing against AutoX'ers, to each his own on how you get your rush.

Later,

 

Kinda hard to compare the quality of a $12,000 Cavalier with that of a $25,000 GP, dont you think? Or take it a step further and say because they Cav looks like crud that STS Caddy must be pretty crappy also, I dont think it works that way. To group them all together and say they have ZERO build quality is pretty foolish. Again, it doesn't have as good a fit & finish as the imports do but the Big 3 have closed that gap somewhat, mostly in the past 10-15 years.


Later,

 

Ah, I see... So you come here bragging about how great your ride is, how no maxima would stand a chance against it, and how you'd like to show us how it's done, all the time knowing that the drag strip is out of the maxima's element and 99% of the people here could care less if your car would beat us at the drag strip. But when the tables are turned and we throw your car out of it's element, you back off and concede. Wow! I guess you're right, to each their own, so why don't you run on back to your gp forum and brag about your 1/4 mile times with your fellow owners? While it's been entertaining, I'm guessing no one here really cares anymore... Your car can whup me at the drag strip left and right and that's just peachy. If I'd wanted a car that was a fast dragger, I wouldn't have bought a maxima. Of course I wouldn't have bought a GTP either, but that's a different story...

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GTPguy97
[I]

Uh, I guess you could say I am scared. You see, I am a drag-racing wimp. I like my speed in a straight line. I get absolutely no thrill out of trying to push my car right to the point of losing control in curves. So you come here and drag-race me....I'll put a good whipping on you and then I'll throw in the towel on the AutoX and we'll call it a tie, OK? Nothing against AutoX'ers, to each his own on how you get your rush.

Ah.. The worst thing you could do is knock over a pile of orange cones if you lose it in a corner. I thought "wider is better"? And aren't you better matched to the Buick gn?? V6 plus forced induction? I can't believe you only want to race an na maxima when you have a supercharger + 3800 cc's.
Even w/ a sc, a maxima only still has 3 liters. That's like saying 300 twin turbos will only race non-twin turbo'ed Zs. Its not their fault you bought a na Z! How idiotic is that?? Trust me if anyone here w/ a 4-gen or 5-gen wanted a GTP, they would have freakin' bought one. Build quality seems to mean much more to us than to you(obvisouly). As I remember you compared your GM to a Ford Tarus?? Not exactly a high benchmark to stride for. GM and Ford have more recalls than any other maker on the planet. Put it this way, I see old Maximas 89+ that are in great condition. I don't see old GM cars PERIOD. Why is that?

 

I considered a Grand Prix and a Buick Regal with the SC, but when my friend's 97 SE was falling apart from the inside, I decided to go with Nissan. Her window motor has failed twice, the sunroof is still not working great, and has had lots of little problems. Drivetrain has been good though.

 

in GTPguys defense (seeing i'm a fellow GTP and Maxima owner) the GTP comes with the SC, the maxima does not. Just like the maxima has multiple cams and 24 valves, and the GTP has a single cam and 12 valves. The maxima also weighs less, but there is nothing we can do about all that because that's how they come. So stop *****ing about the maxima not having an SC and giving up .8 litre of displacement, because it has other advantages that a GTP does not. Oh, and gearing is yet another advantage of the Maxima. So here is what we have so far

GTP Advantage:
Supercharger
More displacement

Maxima Advantage:
Multiple cams
24 Valves
Lighter
Better Gearing

Sounds like a pretty fair match up to me, even if the max doesn't have a SC.

-Ramon

 

Let's not start arguing like riceboys. Let's not get into arguments of "well if I had this or that I'd smoke you". The facts are American car makers go for torque to they use big displacement, pushrods, 2 valves a cyclinder, and such. Japs and Eurpoeans always seem to go hightech, small, and lightweight. Either way, they both get the job done effectively. I've driven both styles and unless you've driven it, don't dawg it. My old 94 Z28 could wrap out to 5600 rpms easily and that thing only had 16 valves and one cam. No multivalves and no DOHC cams. Torque is fun and brutal. Did I mention I consistently got 28mpg on the highway in the Z28? They must have done something right.

Dave

 

Yeah, I guess you're right. Nobody probably cares much for this anymore. I'll leave you guys alone. But a few farewell words.................

I didn't come here "singing the praises of my car", I came here because I got an e-mail in my inbox that said....You have been called out to a race. I came in here with the argument that the GTP is faster, period. If you didn't want to argue that point, fine.....you could've stayed out of it instead of calling me out to an AutoX run. Dont discount the GP in handling either, Ive been told they handle pretty damn good and my car seems tight and sure through turns and curves. It certainly isn't a brick riding on 4 marshmellows, and there are plenty of suspension mods available for it. Also, you cant say the strip is out of the Max's element either as there seem to be plenty on here who believe that a Max can run with (and take out) a GTP there. The GP does have the 0.8 litres and a SC advantage, so it shouldn't really surprise anyone if I say the GTP is faster (imagine the GTP with a 5-speed). There seem to be a few on here who have been to enough drag-races (street or strip) and have run their cars, not magazine raced, to believe what Im saying. I'll leave you all be, enjoy your cars and all the luck in the world if you find yourself in a merge lane at a stoplight and the lane you have to merge into is occupied by a GTP.

Oh and Dave B, good luck at GPG on the 20th....I think you're gonna be in for quite a surprise. I'll bet you a steak & lobster dinner that there is more than one stock GTP breaking into the 14's (too easy).......its a sucker bet, but if you want it...its yours.


Peace,

 

GTPguy97

Do you have to use 91 octane in your GTP? Just wondering.

Also, I know GTP's can easily run low 14's. I've seen it. What I don't know is if they are running the smaller pulley.

Paul

 

if u are talking about s/c pontiac grand prix,they do 15's, i was watching last week at the races.

 

Low 14's are modded. Stock, the GTP is right along with a 5 spd 2k (whether GTPman cares to admit it or not...). Most are low 15's, some squeak just below 15. The advantage you get with the GTP is that it's an SC so there are lots of gains to be made with free flowing exhaust/intake and smaller SC pulleys. And since it's an auto, it's easier to drive fast (getting into 14's with a stock max takes a good driver, doing it with a GTP is much less driver dependant).

 

You've heard they handle pretty damn well? No offense, but if it did, you'd know it...

Anyway, I brought up the autox for a few reasons. First, to show that I give a damn about your 1/4 mile times about as much as you give a damn about my autox times. Second, because if I'm going to drive 6 hours to loose a race, I expect you to do the same. Third, so that if you try and say that we're a bunch of chickens and no one took you up because we know we'd loose, at least I can say the same thing.

I don't think I'd beat you at the autox because my car is better than yours, I think I'd beat you because I'm a better driver and my car is set up to autox. Likewise, I don't think you'd beat me at the drag strip because your car is better than mine, I think you'd beat me because you're a better driver and your car is set up to drag race. Simple, eh?

Whether you admit it or not, stock for stock the max and GTP are very close in straight line performance. I've seen time slips from stock 5 spd maximas ranging from 14.9 up. Most are in the low 15's. From talking to GTP owners and watching them at our track, I've seen some high 14's, most are low 15's. Now, you get into modded, provided the max doesn't have an SC, all bets are off since the GTP is a lot easier to make faster. But stock it's damn close, provided the max driver knows how to drive. You may frequently kill maximas on the road, and believe it or not, I completely believe you. The vast majority of maximas out there are auto, and those that are 5 spds are not driven by folks who have ever set foot on a drag strip or have any clue how to really drive. The number of people who have 5 spd maximas and really know how to drive them is very small, and the odds that you would run into one to race are pretty slim.

Alas, in the end it doesn't really matter...

 

You might stir up **** here, but I do the same over at the GP site. We've always had our arguments and disargeements, but I NEVER take it personally. I really didn't notice you asking us to bow down to your mightly presence. Don't worry about it. Some people in here are ignorant and will only drive Japanese or Eurpoean cars. IMHO, they're missing out.

As for GP 2000, we'll see what happens. If the stock GTP is iced, headlight out, no air filter, aired down tires, stripped trunk, 1/4 tank of gas, race fuel, and the conditions are good then the sun might shine of the GTP's ***. I think some of your boys will be halfway impressed with what I've got. I'm praying for good weather and hopefully some new tires. I wish you were coming.

Dave

 

There is an individual in my building that has a 2000 GTP.......white...loaded....a female drives it but her husband works in my old squadron........maybe i can get him to stoplight drag race me. I doubt he'd take it to englishtown......who knows......

 

yeah .. can we all just get along?

 

i guess you were just browsin' around and decided to bring this dead post back to life?


kafene.

 

 

 

The STS is crappy, and you wanna know why? Because I will see a brand new one going down the street and thier fancy third brakelight near the top of the trunk will only half-work. Seriously, about 50% of STS's I see are like that. This is on a new car too, albeit a 50,000 dollar one. Sorry but that kind of fit and finish I would not be going for if I were purchasing a 50k car.

 

The 3800 motor is holding up so well to modern tech multi-valve setups. The secret is the abundant levels of low-end torque allows engineers to put lower numerical gear ratios (for good highway fuel efficiency and relaxed cruising) and still maintain good acceleration. While old tech, this is a highly refined motor with tons of incremental improvements. Eventually from an emissions-compliance standpoint and the fact it's iron block and iron head I can see the 3800 eventually being superceded by some continuously variable valve timing six made of all-aluminum but maybe side mounted cams to maintain the low profile nature of the non-supercharged 3800s.

Anyways, read 10/97 High Performance Pontiac about my dad's 1996 Bonneville SE with the rare SC motor option. It ran 14.525@94.1mph stone stock and 2.09 sec. in the 60 foot on Eagle GAs. Right now at 114,000 trouble-free miles (only catalytic convertor and radio replaced in its life) and 1/2 quart per 3000 mile oil consumption, there's so much to admire about this motor. The low-numerical gearing and gobs of torque to 5000rpm makes this thing drive like a big-block or turbocharged car with a continuously variable transmission: in 3rd gear with half throttle and the motor in boost the rpms climb so slowly but the speedometer sweeps quickly across the dial.

Other interesting facts about 3800s:
* Dad's 1993 n/a 170hp rattle-free Bonneville in a trip averaged 31.2mpg at 85-90mph (compared to 26.7mpg for my '95 Trans Am 6-spd and 24.7mpg for my mom's '92 ES300 at the same speeds in the same route)
* A friend's friend in a slower highway cruise cycle on a 2001 Impala 3.8L averaged 34 mpg
* Close friend has an '89 Olds 98 with the 3800 and 350,000 trouble-free miles (except for transmission replacement). Doesn't burn oil excessively.
* Consistently one of the most responsive family sedans from a standing start (esp. 0-30mph for the city point n'squirt)

For most people out there the 3800s with one cam, 12 valves, iron block/iron head, class-leading throttle response, pump 87 on non-s/C, proven life, class-leading cold-start times, superb fuel economy, and cheap to build and repair...what more would one want?

 

Yeah I had a 3.8 in the Lumina, ran on five cylinders after 30K miles. GM mean Get Mechanic.

 

Road & Track tested this car and called 50K car that rattles. They reported water leaks, rattles, and many electrical problems. If you want to compare a apples to apples let's compare STS to Q45. I think we don't need to talk about quality do we?

 

The 3800 is a good engine. It may not be high tech, but it sure works. My mom used to have an Oldsmobile Silhouette, a long time ago, back in '94, and that had the 3800 and it hauled a$$, I am not even kidding, that thing was so fast it was ridiculous.

 

I don't think anyone is gonna back down here. Everybody loves there car!! The GTPs have good points as well as bad but so does the max.