Bill, This is Direct Email from CBR2, the Dude that helped Harold on the tranny swap for his 96 maxima. Have you ever done a transmission swap on a maxima, just wondering because I thought maybe it could be different on different cars. anyways here is the email.


I am not going to maxus.. But the job is quite easy..
Anyone who can install a clutch can do the conversion in their sleep w/ some guidance...
Offer on the board to give someone $500 to come to your place early w/ tools and do a clutch job...
See, if you did a clutch job and turned the fly wheel then you would have done 85% of the job.. I bet 25%+ of people w/ 5speeds have done this themselves...
See you do that and that will put the tranny in then.. You bypass the park starter wire (30secs or less to do) Then put the shifter in.
Then drill the hole for the master cylinder screw in the pedal.. And you are done..
IT is only a 13 hour job for a first timer w/ a helper...
Harold and I can do it in like 7.5 hours if we did it again....
And he is going to maxus.. I did the tranny and the drilling he did everything else.. So if you go someone who can do a clutch job.. Harold could take it from there..
Else send your car to FL. My number is *** *** ****... Call me and ask any question you want.
Regards,
Charles

 

Good job on posting the guy's phone #.


BTW, this is a bad idea

 

There ya go.

 

Give me your home phone number. I'm going to call your dad and tell him that you want to ruin your car.

 

If I do you can tell me I told you so. See this thread.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=53750

 

Originally posted by cRedrum


If it was, my 99 would have one.



To him, it probably is, but to inexperienced people, this is an irresponsible statement.....



I thought it was easy.....it requires someone else to be paid?



I would like a list of the tasks needed to be done with approximate times.....I seriously doubt the 85% number.



Well, out of 4000 plus members we have a few who have done it. Being generous, I'll say 10.....that equates to 0.25%. Maybe he didn't carry the decimal point right?



I guess that takes 5 minutes.....



That's actually probably true.



I'm sure that's no more than 10 minutes....



1 minute or so...



Wow, you could make a 30 minute TV show with that. Doesn't sound like it takes about an hour thus far.



How does a clutch job take 12 hours?

I admire what Charles was able to do, hopefully this applies to every single possible conversion to all 4th gen Maxes in the future.....

Now I await to see posts in the coming weeks titled "Oh <expletive> MY MAX IS RUINED! DANIEL B. HELP ME!"

All I can do is wish you luck.

 

Well, If i do get the Clutch Job done by a professional at a transmission shop, it will be much easier. I asked Skimax about it too, and he told me basically its a bolt on. New Console Piece, and you have to cut one hole. Wait for the write up man. i dont understand why you are so aganst this. I dont think i know it all, and im even humble about that. But man you are really acting like you know about this conversion Inside and out. Have you done one on a Maxima ?

 

I understand that this is a difficult undertaking, but I believe that this can become the best modification that an auto maxima owner could get. The more that try this conversion, the more knowledge we will have. I am very interested in doing this(opposed to selling my car for a 5-speed from the factory) because I have already put alot of time and effort into my car. And that's just the thing, the fact that I am willing and able to alter this machine to the way i think it should be. It's kind of like art. So please don't discourage the man because it's a difficult project, instead think of ideas and ways that this could become a reasonable(in time and finances) project to do.

 

Why all this hate on the automatics???
All i gotta say...
Knight Rider ---- automatic.
General Lee ---- automatic.

 

AUTOMAGIKS!!

 

Top 5 reasons why you should do the swap and not listen to anyone else.

5. You're tired of auto
4. You're auto tranny died
3. You are tired of getting beat in a race
2. So you can stop pretending your driving a stick when you are really a auto.
and the #1 reason why is:
1. To prove everyone else wrong

Just some humor

 

Numero Uno is what im trying to aim at now. But 5, 3, and 2 are big factors also.

 

Did I ever say I was going to do a 5-Speed swap, I do not think so. I was just trying to get some of you off his back. If he wants to do it, then let him. Don't give him all this crap about money this and money that. I was saying that in my case, if my auto tranny was going bad and my parents would not let me get rid of the car, then I would save up for a new auto or save a little more and get the manual. And to all of you a-holes out there that said "my dad bought me my car", you are WRONG. I work for mine as you do yours, I was not a lucky 16 year old to get a car for his birthday. So before you do say anything about someone personally, maybe you should know their backround a little better. I was just trying to point out some factors, that's all. And he might not want to get rid of his Maxima because he has put too much into his car to even think of taking it all off and put it onto a different one. Just my .02 cents. But since you guys think that my daddy bought my car and I am a stupid 17 year old that doesn't know what he is saying, then so be it, but when it comes to cars (and me working at a garage for the past 3 years), I think I know something about cars too as you do.

 

AUTOMAGICS FOR LIFE 'YO!!!!! 5spd swaps are for wusses!!!!!!

 

Originally posted by Ramius83


Who's holding the gun to his head telling him not to?



He asked for an opinion, I took the common sense route and said it wasn't wise on the money side of things. WTF do you care if my opinion is different from yours?



Which I agreed with.



Who said that? You brought up the hypothetical situation in your own post, not anyone else. I responded to it, but in retrospect I guess I should have just shook my head in agreement so that you wouldn't call me a bad name....

[QUOTE][B]I work for mine as you do yours, I was not a lucky 16 year old to get a car for his birthday. So before you do say anything about someone personally, maybe you should know their backround a little better. I was just trying to point out some factors, that's all.[QUOTE][B]

Have you actually read this thread and my posts or are you just being argumentative? It was stated that his dad has the "power" over the Max.
.

That's fine, it will just make his life more difficult. I don't care about that, I'm just issuing friendly warnings.

You seem to have a self esteem problem, which is not appropriate to discuss in this thread. No one downed on you or said you were stupid, you were 17 with a silver spoon, etc. This has to do with what cRedrum is doing to his (or his dad's) car and has nothing to do with yours.

Please remember:

-YOU brought up the hypothetical situation (which I understood to be hypothetical).

-I responded to it using cRedrum's current situation as he described it.

-I don't have a gun to cRedrum's head telling him what to do.

Please stay on topic.

 

Hey everyone...I think we need to remember that opinions are like a**holes...everyones got one. lets leave it at that.

 

Bill, Im kind of tired of you having an answer for everyones question, or a comment for everyone elses comment. You act like you know it all, which I belive you dont. You have really kind of ****ed me off in this thread, are you a mechanic. Why dont you shut up every once in a while. Im not trying to get banned, neither am I disrespecting you, but you are being a royal ******** In my opinion.

"Just my .02"

 

being a moderator and all. But unfortunatley, to me, it seems that you are more of a ****face than anything. I could go through your every post and pick through every sentence you say, proving you wrong, just like you do to everyone else...but, I am not on here 24/7 like you are. You make it seem like you're some sort of maxima god or something but you sound more like a ****face talking about something which he has as much experience with this issue as me (0%). The fact is you have never attempted this, and have no room to talk. Funny how everyone who has completed this succesfully has nothing to say but praise for the completion of the conversion, but you with NO EXPERIENCE just ***** and try to find reasons why it's too expensive/won't work out. Bill I think you need to grow up and just not say anything at all if you are just going to be stuck up and ***** at him for asking a question. You say you're providing an opinion, which you are. But in the same time you're not helping him at all, you're over exaggerating everything to make it seem harder then it really is and not providing him with any useful information, just arguing.

To anyone wanting to attempt this, I say why not. I am sure that the people who have completed this and say it is easier then you think ARE NOT lying. And I am sure that any decent performance shop can succesfully complete it. Also, selling off your old auto tranny to defray costs is a good point, which reduces the cost of the swap to LESS then a trade in (dealers give you less money for your car then it would take to buy the same car from them-about $2000), and even less then replacing a blown auto tranny.

I say Bill is stripped of all moderator duties and kicked off the board, he has no use here. His job is to remove flames and lock posts, ect, but instead he is doing the opposite and starting flames.

PJ

 

seriously, its a tranny swap... its not THAT hard. my friend and i stripped his wrangler of ever bolt, body off, but a 5.0 stang engine in it, and put it back together ourselves. replaceing a STOCK tranny with another available STOCK tranny isnt that hard.. yeah it will take a few days, but a month?? who is saying that?? where are you coming from?? its the kids car, unless you have ANYTHING useful to say, advice, not your OPINION on it being stupid and a waste... dont say it. you go here for help, not denial, he wants to do it, he is going to... it can be done. the Maxima isnt that different than any other car doing a tranny swap. only the ECU could be an issue, and the other dude that just did it, still has the stock one, and its driving great. Goodluck on the swap. go for it...

Hall

 

OUCH!!

 

Ouch. Finally someone agrees with me, and takes this to a further extent.

 

when you talk about 5spds......all hell breaks loose! that should be clear enough evidnece that 5spd transmissions are pure evil and automatics are the only true transmisisons...its finally been made clear AUTOS prevent evil and 5spds only start trouble!

5spd swaps = crossing over to the dark side :vampire: (and thats not good!)

Yes I own an AUTO and I am PROUD of my heritage and would never even think about....dare I say, swapping in a *gasp* 5spd *gasp*!

SPAM, its the other white meat, BIACH!

 

Oh well. So much for being nice.

Originally posted by speednsound007


That's your opinion.



I know better than to talk out of my rear, which is why I'm not picked apart.



How do you know I'm on here 24/7 if you are not?



The original intent was to not give newbies an impression that this is a piece of cake. I didn't say it couldn't be done, but there seemed to be a lack of thoroughly thinking things out and inconsistencies in his posts (i.e. first he was hiring a pro to do it all, then he was doing it himself with help, etc.)



True, but I can give an opinion. If my opinion had been "go for it" I wonder if you would have bothered posting....



Unless you find others, I've only seen ONE post here with success, and that was just recently. You act like thousands have done it, which makes you a hypocrite for flaming me in the first place. But, I'm letting facts get in the way here....



Originally, I stated it made more FINANCIAL sense to trade and get a 5-speed Max. Then, I expressed concern that this would not be an easy job so that lurkers and newbies don't run off and get in the middle of a job and possibly ruin their cars.



I express an opinion, and I'm flamed for it because I don't bend over and agree with the swap......



The main issue I have raised involves:

The CPU, particularly since it's OBDII on 97s, while the swap was done on a 95 (OBDI, less possible computer issues).

I don't recall anyone addressing that to this point.



Please list the people. You're implying plural, so I would like to know the "thousands" of members who have done this. I can only think of 1 that is posting and a couple of others that don't frequent here. Where are the rest? And I'm talking Maxima swaps, not other vehicles.



That was one of my first pieces of advice. HIRE A FREAKING PRO TO DO IT OR HELP. Please take the time to read before flaming. It will make your arguments harder to "pick apart".



At last we get to something relevant to this topic that I actually can semi-agree with. Although you could probably even up a 97 GLE with a 95 GXE 5-speed......



Please don't try and engage in a measuring contest as to who has contributed what here. You're going to be on the short end of the stick.

If you don't like my moderating, leave this forum. Visit/post in another forum. I only moderate two of them, contrary to popular belief.

Please locate where I cursed at anyone as you have done in your topic, then I'll agree that I do nothing but start flames.

I guess now:

dissenting opinions = starting flames

I'll have to e-mail Webster and tell them to change their dictionary.

I hope medicsonic is proud of this.

 

don't mess with bill! his evil always wins.

 

Originally posted by cRedrum


I'm sorry that you don't agree, but that shouldn't prevent me from voicing an opinion.



I definitely agree there. I don't know it all, nor do I pretend to. I make comments and ask questions. How the individual reacts or takes those comments is up to them, not me.



No, I'm not a mechanic. But I do have common sense enough to ask questions.

You're not disrespcting me, yet you're calling me a royal $#@$#?

Hmmmm......ok.......

 

I see that Evil Bill climbing out the ground from his grave. I see jOO Evil Bill.

 

According to Bill i am Evil Bill and a host of other chracters

 

Jesus Christ man, you are doing it again. Stop this. You say you are voicing an opinion and asking questions but that is bull****. You are basically trying to tell me what to do, and I never saw you ask a question. Bill, why do you not want me to do this. Why are you ****in going all out to persuade me not to do it. Are you jealous because you cant do it, or do not have the money to do it, etc etc.

BTW I do not want a 95 GXE. I do not like the look of the 95's and 96's as much as 97-99. And Im sure it would have no options at all, and how am I supposed to know it was well taken care of, etc. Thats what I do know about my maxima, i knew the guy who had it and he was a REAL neatfreak. No smoking, eating, always cleaning. Its very hard to find a 5speed maxima around here.

 

I just finished my swap this afternoon....its still a little "dirty" but I think its gonna be a great addition to the Max!!! I did this in my basement, took a while though. and don't let the picture fool you, in person it actually looks a lot better! -->


(I'm telling you, this is the real deal...if you don't believe me, SCREW YOU!)

 

Originally posted by cRedrum


I wish someone could respond to my responses without the $#%##@$# language. It's unnecessary and lessens your statements.




1) I'm not telling you what to do. I am suggesting scenarios. They only way I can tell you what to do is if:

a) I am providing for you/putting a roof over your head.
b) I have a gun to your head and demanding you do so.

I'm not doing either.

My ECU concerns are expressed in a similar thread started by yourself in the 4th gen forum.



Uggg....more cussing......

I want to prepare you mentally for the challenge ahead, as well as make you think about what can go wrong rather than all that can go right. This will help you deal with the install hassles that always arise when doing any major mod, much less a tranny swap.

Selfishly, I want more owners to attempt this so that a good install process can be constructed and refined. But I also feel an obligation to be skeptical and warn of possible problems with such a task. If we all drove Mustangs, this wouldn't be an issue...but we drive cars that aren't really "ideal" mod cars.....

The 5-speed swap is a very appealing "mod" that I would like to do. Unfortunately, I'm married.....



See above.....they're called wives............and you think I'm evil? hehe, wait 'til you have one of those....



It was just an option of something viable. I would have the same concerns.


As it is everywhere.

Good luck in your endeavors and do as much research as possible. The more prepared you enter into it, the easier the job will be.

 

Gee Thanks. And when im done this swap, Ill come talk to your wife and have her let you try it too. But beware, of the mental challenge that this will take young skywalker. As the 5spd swap will be key in your Jedi training.

BTW Im not getting married.

 

Huh? I really don't get it. Could you please explain?

 

This has become much more fun in the day I was AWOL from the site. cRedrum... you are quite the character. You seem awfully upset with Bill's opinions. Maybe when you grow up you'll learn to take critique a little less seriously. I shared Bill's concerns about you thinking this job was too easy, but now I really dont care, knock yourself out, daddy will buy another Maxima at a good deal if you f*ck it up i'm sure

BTW, I got a similar email to the one you got, it was from Santa Claus explaining how to put a car together... You see first, you stick on a frame, then you pop on a body, then you attach some wheels, drill out some lights, and by then you're 85% done....

Oh and another thing. If you take your car to a transmission shop before you attempt your swap, you might want to rent a towtruck to get it home, seeing as you DONT HAVE a clutch, nor will your slushbox run very well with one added.

My 2cents.

 

How do you know I'm on here 24/7 if you are not?

I know you're on here so much because by the time I am back you have posted at least 5 times to this one thread...Someones just a little pressed...



[/B]

Unless you find others, I've only seen ONE post here with success, and that was just recently. You act like thousands have done it, which makes you a hypocrite for flaming me in the first place. But, I'm letting facts get in the way here....

do you even pay attention to the thread you're posting in? At least two people were mentioned who have completed the swap, and I know there must be others as well. I know there's a third gen that had this completed as well.

[/B]

Originally, I stated it made more FINANCIAL sense to trade and get a 5-speed Max. Then, I expressed concern that this would not be an easy job so that lurkers and newbies don't run off and get in the middle of a job and possibly ruin their cars.

[/B]

How would you RUIN the car, I think worst case scenario would be that you have to put everything back on and you'd be stuck with a hole in the firewall for your clutch pedal.



The main issue I have raised involves:

The CPU, particularly since it's OBDII on 97s, while the swap was done on a 95 (OBDI, less possible computer issues).

I don't recall anyone addressing that to this point.

how would OBDI and OBDII make any difference considering that has nothing to do with the swap. Like it was mentioned in the other thread the ECU doesn't matter since nothing is controlled by it in a 5spd.

[/B]\\

Please list the people. You're implying plural, so I would like to know the "thousands" of members who have done this. I can only think of 1 that is posting and a couple of others that don't frequent here. Where are the rest? And I'm talking Maxima swaps, not other vehicles.

Whats the difference? If you can do an auto to 5spd swap in one car, why wouldn't you be able to do it in another?

[/B]

That was one of my first pieces of advice. HIRE A FREAKING PRO TO DO IT OR HELP. Please take the time to read before flaming. It will make your arguments harder to "pick apart".


He did say he wanted a pro to do it...he said that many times.

...shut up Bill, you never stop.

 

Originally posted by speednsound007


So because I have posted 5 times since your last visit I am automatically on here 24/7? What a stupid statement.



Your post implied a lot, which is more than two to all who aren't mathematically challenged. You posted yourself that many have done it. All I'm asking for is a list since you seem to know.



Now that's irrefutable evidence. You THINK you know, therefore it must be fact.



3rd gens shouldn't really apply, as this is dealing with 4th gen swaps, but even counting that one you are up to 3 who have done it. There are over 4000 members here....and 3 have done it. Is that a majority?



-Breaking something during removal
-Breaking console
-Screwing up the clutch pedal install
-Not bolting the 5-speed up correctly
-There are many things that can go wrong



That was my question. There are more automagic specific codes in OBDII than OBDI, so that leaves a possibility of ECU anamolies.



If you can find the group of people that have done it on a 97, 98, or 99, then its no longer an issue. Where are they?



Every car is different, and each presents its own unique problems. If this really was simple, many more (that's at least 50 in my book, and even then that's not many) would have done the swap.



He then later stated that he was going to do it with maybe some help from the member who did the swap.

You keep going, so why should I bend over and not defend myself?

Have a great day.

 

That was in response to your earlier "machine gun man" post.....

 

3rd gens shouldn't really apply, as this is dealing with 4th gen swaps, but even counting that one you are up to 3 who have done it. There are over 4000 members here....and 3 have done it. Is that a majority?

Common Bill, you can do better then that. Out of the 4000 members, how many have 5spds? Maybe 1000? I think in Maximas there are a alot more autos then manuals. Then out of that many members, I think most will be happy with their choice of transmission. So maybe there are 200 left that want 5spds. Out of those most have no idea how to even change oil, and the ones that could complete this, may not have the time or money. Of course, a 5spd conversion will NEVER be a common "bolt-on" mod, and it will never be a majority, but does that make it impossible or that it should not be attempted? No, of course not.


-Breaking something during removal
-Breaking console
-Screwing up the clutch pedal install
-Not bolting the 5-speed up correctly
-There are many things that can go wrong

You take risks when you do everything, driving your car there is a high enough of a chance of a collision as it is. As for modding things, I know plenty of people have messed up things during installs. But it's not permenant, everything that can be broken, can just be fixed again. Its the owners choice to see if the risks outweigh the benefits, or vice versa.


That was my question. There are more automagic specific codes in OBDII than OBDI, so that leaves a possibility of ECU anamolies.

I do believe this would be an issue when doing a 5spd to auto conversion (definitley), but going auto to 5spd you are requiring less use of the computer, not more. Can you give me a good reason why the different codes between OBDI and OBDII would challenge the swap?



If you can find the group of people that have done it on a 97, 98, or 99, then its no longer an issue. Where are they?

you should know where thye are, you're the one who is on here constantly, not me. But give it time and I will find one just to shove it in ur face...don't worry about that.


Every car is different, and each presents its own unique problems. If this really was simple, many more (that's at least 50 in my book, and even then that's not many) would have done the swap.

Maybe there's more then 50 who have done this, we just don't know who they all are. Out of all different kinds of cars I know this has been done thousands of times. Someone on this thread earlier mentioned doing it on a truck. Whats the differences between doing it between a maxima and any other vehicle? The same principles are there, just different looking parts. The only really big difference would be positioning pedals and the new dash assembly, ect. But even I could do that, the actual clutch/tranny work is whats above me, but I know there are LOTS of people who could do that. (anyone who did their own supercharger, brake conversions, ect)


He then later stated that he was going to do it with maybe some help from the member who did the swap.

Yea a member who has already completed this job in his Maxima. Sounds like it makes PERFECT sense to me. If that guy can do it once, why wouldn't he be able to do it again?



You keep going, so why should I bend over and not defend myself?

Because you're wrong.

 

[flame class back in session][frustration sets in]

Originally posted by speednsound007


I have no idea why this response is in here. I was questioning your assertion/speculation about how many had done a swap. This is not relevant to any of my comments.



Good. Now we have a precise, scientific number of how many want to do swaps rather than how many have. What happened to "many" that have done it and me being stupid for stating that wasn't the case?



When/where did I say it is impossible or shouldn't be attempted? I opined that you should look at other options and avoid doing this if possible. That is my opinion, and I still insist I'm not holding a gun to someone's head telling them not to. Do you understand the difference now?



And all I'm doing is LISTING possibilities of what could go wrong, instead of playing violins in the background and acting like a mod of this magnitude with this vehicle with the few that are experienced in this kind of work is easy.



I thought I posed the question. Why would I also have the answer?

My speculation is that the Dummy light would be set off intermittently based upon how the ECU and automagic communicate. Maybe it notices a bad solenoid when one isn't technically present and it sets the Dummy light, etc.

Again, I'm ignorant of how this interaction takes place.



You're the one who acted like "many" here had already done the swap, not me. I asked for a list, you come back with argumentative nonsense.



So now you admit that "many" haven't done the swap?



Excuse me, but this is a Maxima forum, not an "all different kinds of cars" forum.



That's logical. It can be done on a V-8 RWD or 4WD truck format so therefore it immediately applies to a FWD V-6 platform..

[QUOTE][B]Whats the differences between doing it between a maxima and any other vehicle? The same principles are there, just different looking parts. The only really big difference would be positioning pedals and the new dash assembly, ect. But even I could do that, the actual clutch/tranny work is whats above me, but I know there are LOTS of people who could do that. (anyone who did their own supercharger, brake conversions, ect)



You didn't understand my point. He was being inconsistent in his posts, which makes it appear that he hasn't thought this through enough to make an informed decision. I am sure our other member (what happened to it being "many" members) who has done this can probably do it in his sleep now. But he still has to be compensated, etc.

Wrong about what exactly? Please find the post where I said this was impossible to do.

That makes as much sense as:

Why am I right?

Because I'm a moderator and you're not.

[/flame class back in session][/frustration sets in]

 

BILL, SPEED AND CREDRUM, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS 'DISCUSSION' PLEASE EITHER USE THE PM SYSTEM OR THE 'OFF TOPIC' FORUM. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 'Where to take for 5spd swap'.

 

yeah @ssholes