Okay heres the deal. Should I go ahead and get Koni's or just wait for the KYB AGX's. Also im thinking of switching to ground control coilovers because my eibachs arent low enough. To an extent, is the ride REALLY crappy in them even with tougher struts ? need advice. thanks.

 

I'd get the Konis now and not wait around for the KYBs, which are only going to be slightly less expensive.

 

Phuong,

Isn't that a relative statement? Sure, AGX's will be $400 shipped and Konis are $500 shipped (unless that has changed), but AGX'x will be much more straightforward install-wise.

If you're self-installing, that's one thing, but paying for an install would warrant waiting for the KYBs.....UNLESS you're getting a Coilover setup as cRedrum wants, then I would say the Konis are needed for longevity purposes......

 

Per KYB the don't recommend the AGX for drops over 1.5in

 

Ahh bill. Every time i see you have replied to one of my threads i sigh. But this time we are agreeing. The only question i have is, What about just with my eibachs. Koni or KYB AGX's ?. Im not getting ground controls

 

Well, I'm waiting on KYBs to become available so that I can get the H&R/KYB combo my wife....errr....that is I desire for the car.

For Eibachs, I would say either one would be fine....the AGXs would appeal more to me because of less install headaches AND ease of rear shock adjustability (Konis have to basically be removed to re-adjust in the rear; the fronts are a piece of cake)......the Konis would have a slight edge based on their rock-solid reputation for working with harsher springs (Generally, the Eibachs are tougher on struts than H&Rs). It's literally a toss up.

As long as it's a good topic and relevant to discussion, my responses will be informative.

 

Their should be a limit on how many questions you can ask a week

 

Whats the difference between that and post whoring like you Sprintmax ?

 

Should their?

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Should there?


Hmmmm...an extension of evilness...limits on the number of questions you can ask....

I'll look into it.

 

Here's a simple concept. If you are unhappy with your current ride, then get the Koni's now, because they are available. If you are willing to wait another 2 months, then get the KYBs. But don't overlook what 95Max said, KYB doesn't advise using the AGX's with a drop of more than 1.5 inches. The answer then becomes pretty obvious to me.

 

 

Are you going to be constantly adjusting your shock settings? My bro has AGXs on his Integra. He just leaves them on 3 becuase anthing more is bone jarring. Unless you auto-x all the time or are an adjustment freak, just get the Koni fronts and put up w/ the intall hassle. It's not that hard. Then just get some cheapie KYB non-adjustables for the rear. If you have such a hard on for adjustability, just buy the adjustable Stillen rsb w/ the $$ difference.

People should be more realistic about adjustable suspensions. 90% of people that use coil overs just want that low ride for shows only. Most people that do adjustible shocks just play with them maybe 2-3 times and leave them alone. I doubt even 5% of the all .org people really know how to dial in their suspension anyway. I think the Koni fronts are a good idea becuase you get "some" adjustment and that's where 70% of the weight is anyway. Adjusting the rears to be too stiff just results in a skipping rear end on the beam 4-gen suspension.

 

Am I the only one posting anything pertinent now?

 

I don't really agree on the rear ones........I think you need some that can take a beating back there with that beam. But I'm more of a do-it-correctly-one-time kind of person.....

And since Konis are a you-better-set-it-right-the-first-time kind of install in the back, AGXs make more long term since.

 

Put it this way Bill. When I took my oem shocks out at about 80-90,000 miles on them, they will still good. Now the fronts were 100% toast. This tells me that the front takes much,much more abuse than the rear. With FWD and a heavy V6, it makes sense. Some other 4-gen guys have confirmed that their rears were not even worn when they took them out for replacement. This tells me that the back end is not really doing much. I can almost guarantee you that if you make the 4-gen rear much stiffer than it is w/ Eibachs or sprints, it's gonna skip like rock over water on rough roads. This set-up was also recommended by Keven97se after he fiddled w/ his suspension set-ups.

 

[newbie response]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

You're wrong. My mechanic's wife's cousin's sister's husband's husband's wife's son's daughter who is in marketing for KYB says you are incorrect.

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In the back I would rather have the control of setting it low initially, and then slightly increasing as the miles get higher and the dampening softens.....

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't consider Koni rears after what Keven went through.....

 

That's what I'm trying to tell you Bill, they DON'T really wear out. I'd imagine you would have to ajust them maybe once every 50k for any appreciable wear.

Oh hell! Murder boy, just get what you want!

 

Originally posted by Jeff92se


Ugggg.....Comparing the IRS rear on 3rd gens to the beam 4th gens doesn't seem applicable, despite the weight bias. To me, there is a significant wear difference between the 3rd gen rear and 4th gen rear on my vehicles. The 4th gen rear is much twitchier than it was when new. It has 36k on it. Adjusting it beats the heck out of taking something apart just to adjust it........

Why the lack of love?

 

Murder = redrum. Not you Bill.

Are you sure it's the shocks? Keven never commented on twitchiness, only that the oem shocks he took out were not that worn. If it's that much more twitchy, I would maybe take it to Firestone and get the alignment checked. They have programs for lifetime alignment/checks etc... My toe setting was out even on the stock suspension due to settling. If the beam's toe settings are adjustable, maybe the same happened. I guess beam means the wheels just go up/down and that's it?

 

Originally posted by Jeff92se


Ahh....ok.....

No, I'm not sure. I think I have confused terms, though. It seems more "floaty" and "twitchy" than when new......

When I go to the 17" Borbet Type E's, then I'll re-align and re-evaluate....

 

So you guys are saying i should just get Konis for the front ?

lol