Chuvak

When you go to a Nissan service dpt. to do an oil change or anything else, they put all the info into their computers. Now that uncludes the milage as well. Does that info on milage go to other Nissan dealers or can it be traced in any sort of way? Does it only stay in that one dealership?
If one goes to another Nissan dealer where the car has never been in before, say to do an oil change, will entering the Vin# bring up all the other records from the past dealer(s)? Can it be done?
What is teh worst that can happen when ones Inspection sticker milage is less then the car's odometer, if someone actually notices...???

Thanks in advance guys!

Sprint

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i don't know.. but did you want to know how to make bombs too?

Jung918

I would like to know how you will be rolling back to miles. I'm guessing that if you be greedy then you will get caught. However, i think that as long as you reset your ecu then it really can't be traced unless the miles on the car is less then what it says on the pink tag...

NickStam

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I'm pretty sure that if any dealer works on your car it's kept on some type of company-wide database.

Synki

Isnt that illegal? At least it is in NJ.

Shingles

You will get busted, simple as that... no amount of resetting of ECU is going to fix it. Why? Becaue OBDII was designed to bust folks like you that are thinking of commiting a federal crime.

99NosMax

Chris91SE

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it's a federal offense and anyone who does in an *** in my opinion...

NickStam

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however many miles you roll back your car should be your jail sentence in days or monetary fine.

emax02

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[/criminal's voice]

Think hard..
Just get another ECU from a junk yard and then the ECU whould never know, simple as that.

[Criminals voice]

AznWontonboy

dont give people stupid advices emax!! no wonder you car has 10 miles on it... and im thinkin with over 10 times to the track.. and many 1/4mile runs.. still 10.. well close enough..

emax02

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101K miles

TimW

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well... was just talking to someone the other day who got a new odometer last year. Mileage didnt match the ECU anymore. they tried to sell the car this year and the dealer really lowballed them even tho they had all the paperwork and a signed affidavit of some sort from the state. got the same treatment to every dealer they went to.

they lost a ton of resale and it was totally legit.

black019

if u have ever used carfax, you would know that when u search it brings up the milege totals from whenever u brought it to a dealership or any other place that keeps track of milege so anyplace will know regardless of where u go

SethMax

These guys have no sense of humor when it comes to things like this. Perhaps rule following is a trait of Maxima owners or something, but if you listen closely I'll tell you a little story:
My buddy worked at a Nissan dealership for years, is a very skilled technician and now works at an exotic car dealership as their Porsche/Ferrari mechanic. When I asked him about this, he said it's possible to roll back analog odometers but you have to have "magic fingers" and if it's been tracked anywhere, you might get screwed. He also said something rather disturbing... that he estimates that upwards of 20% of the cars you find on used car lots have been "clocked" BY THE DEALER. He's been asked to do it before by his bosses at various stores. Pretty interesting stuff, eh? Makes you wonder. Yes, it's a federal crime but he said he'd never heard of an individual being prosecuted, just dealerships who are pumping truckloads of clocked cars out the door. So don't lose too much sleep, rule followers.
--I DO NOT PROMOTE THE FOLLOWING AND EVERYTHING HERE TO FOLLOW IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL----
---I ALSO DO NOT PROMOTE OR PARTICIPATE IN SPEEDING, STREET RACING OR ANY UNSAFE, ILLEGAL BEHAVIOURS----
The safest bet is to simply unplug the vehicle speed sensor on the transmission. It throws an error code on the ECU and the check engine light will light, and it may take a few days before the ECU "learns" to work without the VSS. THe car may stumble a bit or stall off idle, but the ECU will eventually learn and it will go away... or you can run the air conditioning and the extra few RPMs it takes to run the compressor will remedy the situation.
Here's the most important thing: DO NOT take the car to the dealership for service for any reason. You will get nailed. If you have a warranty issue, sorry chap but you're screwed. Pay for it out of pocket at Bubba's Foreign Car Repair, or risk getting caught for odometer fraud. There should be no record of your cars existence beyond the point where it rolled off the dealership floor. Don't even take it to the same quick-oil-change place more than once because they record this as well and if your lucky some schmuck working there will feel like a vigilante and call the dealership for you. Don't risk it.
Another important part: IT takes 64 cold engine starts (key turned all the way off, car started, engine run for 8 seconds) to clear the ECU codes unless you have a code-clearing tool. The ECU reset button does not effectively clear engine fault codes (or at least VSS codes). Give yourself about 2 months with it plugged back up before you take the car anywhere for service.
It's not convenient, it's not legal and there are about 300 ways to get caught. But it can be done.

NickStam

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cool beans

Sprint

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you starting to scare me man .. my VSS is unplugged but not for that reason though... i have experienced the stalling and low idle like you mentioned.. but it hasn't gone away.. it has been about 2 months

tomj

I'm pretty sure every year when you get an inspection sticker your mileage is recorded. It would be pretty interesting if you had a car that had less miles than the year before or a car that never had been inspected. Any way you look at it, you will get caught and it won't be worth it. Now go to your room, junior.

Chris91SE

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where does sense of humor come in to play? it's not a joke...

MaximaRider

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Stupid and illegal and cheats people like u and me, me especially since i almost bought car with odo fraud, luckily carfax caught it.

deezo

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Don't do it!

EuroMaxima99SE

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Bratan, znau ya eti russkie scams, I hear u, man

Synki

There is no humor there what so ever.

SuDZ

Did carfax catch it from them bringing it in to do there oil at places that record it or whatever? I am just thinking it is scary that if somone does there own oil changes or what not and doesnt bring it to these places it might not get caught. So does it stay on that same milage if you do this or does it go backwards?

SuDZ

Jeff92se

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What if you do a carfax on the car? One day it's registered at 100,000 miles and the next time it's registered, it only has 50,000 miles? Jail time buddy! I'll come visit you once in awhile. What flavor cookies do you like?

Greg's2kGLE

That is a good idea!! Roll the miles back 1,000 and you get 1,000 days in jail...Now I think that should be a law

Frank Fontaine

I couldn't understand why he did it. His pops gave him $1500/month in spending money. I wont mention his nationality but let's say his people tend to be very bright and successful. Maybe times were different then, but he had gotten a 1991 Porsche 944 S2, and after 2 years he put over 50k on it. He somehow removed the fuse whenever he drove and so his tach and odometer didn't work. He traded the car in with less than 20k showing. None of us really knew what ended up happening but he got escorted out of a lecture by state troopers and nobody ever heard from him again. His new car was towed off campus. Point is, it's pretty difficult to understand why bright people commit fraud for such small amounts. Common sense says look at risk vs. reward before you commit illegal acts.

97GreenMax

and....there is your answer

CHI99Limited

It can be done. I know people who have done it on their 97 740iL and on their porsche 911. If it couldnt be tracked on a bimmer i dont think there should be a problem doing it to a maxima. You just need to find a shaddy mechanic that does this stuff on the side. I do not condone this, this in an ******* move in my opinion.

JUDE

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Well unfortunetly it happened to me. After owning my 95 Maxima for about two years, i decided to check her history on carfax. Found out that it went from 95k miles down to 60k miles and then unloaded it at the dealer. As soon as I found out, I unloaded her. She was a really nice car, fast as hell with some nice Concept neeper rims, but oh well.
On a funnier note, a friend of mine bought a 99 Boxter with 21,500 miles on it. he was going to put a switch to turn off the digital odometer to the car, until he realized that it was already there. The previous guy had screwed him. He returned the car right away and got his money back.
I'm NEVER buying a used car again. Only brand new from now one. Too many shady people in this world.

mikelly

Chuvak,

Most large dealers are connected to other dealers
nationwide. They will not notice if the odometer
is rolled back or not. On the other hand when you
get emission test or register a vehicle, the vin
number and mileage is recorded and carfax get the
info for all to see.

mike

Ramius83

They will find out....it is illegal.

Chuvak

Well I appriciate all the response. I agree with what most said. I figured I would get bashed for such a topic, and well, it is well disserved...
Also, I was not asking if it can be and and how. I know it can, it is and it will be done. People getting jailed for that, never heard of it. People not being able to sell their cars after having "undetermined mileage", I have heard plenty of...

In response to some of the comments -- one has to be a real moron to have an inspection done and have less miles recorded then the previous inspection...

The only thing I wanted to know is do Nissan Dealers, who record the mileage every time one comes in for some sort of work (at least they do in my dealership), does that info get put into a nation wide database that can be viewed by other dealers? Thus see a difference in miles for same Vin#... Do all Automobile dealerships do this?

meseville

Any one know why there are 10 times as many threads on fourth generation Maximas compared to 5th generation Maximas?

DEADBOLT

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ok I'm not sure what brought this topic to your mind for you to post it on a worldwide site and actually try to figure out a way to do it. Bro, wake the hell up please. Save yourself before you wake up with ur hands handcuffed and you're standing in front of a judge explaining to him the fraud action you committed. Every time you go into a service center (at least major ones) they take down the mileage...

1) Database information to keep you up to date on any maintenance needed
2) Report it to Carfax that you had service done
3) Prevent any false accusations of things not being done.
4) Better customer/owner tracking of when the service was done as well.

Some people unplug the speedometer for a while to not add miles to the odometer, and it's impossible to tell if they did or not. They just simply plug it in when it's time to sell it or when they reach their goal. I think that's completely pathetic and stupid to do it, and I'd never want to be cheated when I buy a car that's been altered in any way, especially mileage.

All I can say is "do onto other what you'd want done onto you"... honesty is the best solution, even if it was over your life.

That's just my opinion.

Hexon

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Holy old thread batman!!!!!!!!

STARR

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all dealers do it, I'm from NY and when I took my 4Runner in for service at a dealer in Georgia they knew the exact mileage, date, and service performed at the NY dealer

rolling back the odo is getting harder with new cars and electronics, fines and penalties are getting more severe so if you own a shop that installs systems, you have to record the mileage and then when you plug the dash stuff back in put the correct mileage back, are you gonna risk a business for some moron who's trying to squeeze every dollar they have, way to many eyes and ears looking over your shoulders now n days

When I worked at Nissan back in 96/97 most of the Nissan vehicles you could easily disconnect, but as the years went on they have tied some circuits together, a guy I knew who had a 2001 Pathfinder pulled the fuse only to find out it not only killed the odo but also the alternator, he lost his lights when it was going dark and almost crashed another guy I went to school with pulled the plug for the odo/speedo out and after driving around for a year realized when he plugged it back in his mileage was 20k higher

I've checked several of my old cars on carfax and it makes me laugh to see a car I had 10 years ago with 60k on it only has 90k, or the Camry my father had with 70k, that 4 years later had 69k on it

Nothing wrong with buying used but if you can't show me oil change history, maintenance history and the car looks like it has way more mileage then it should then walk on.

SuperChris

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death to the thread-diggin'-up infadel!!!!!

HM_Motorsports

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It's odd to me how many people have posted who "do not condone" this kind of thing, yet they're giving advice, no matter how misguided that advice may be, on how to do just that? And then stories of others that have attempted to turn back or modify the milage, only to discover the previous owner already had done the same thing yet they're upset enough to return the car? WHy would you knowingly misrepresent something like that? Or want to? If you don't condone it, don't contribute to it. Quite sad really that people are this greedy. How about you just keep service records and maybe get an inspection done before you sell the car to ensure the prospective buyer that it has been well taken care of, and despite the milage it can be a reliable car. Too much effort I suppose to be honorable about it. This is WHY carfax exists, because idiots screw people without a second thought.

EDIT: I just noticed this thread is almost 7 years old. Nice lol.

DEADBOLT

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^^^ LOL I know... I didn't notice the date until after I posted my response. lol Geez... oh well, information has no specific time or place... it's always good to know.