Warpspeed Subframe Connector review (and pics)
Warpspeed Subframe Connector review (and pics)
HOLY SH**!! If you guys are looking for better handling, this is a requirement. This mod did as much for my car as the FSTB and sway bars put together.
First, my current suspension mods:
Courtesy FSTB, 16" wheels, Firestone SZ-50 tires, Eibachs, Tokicos, Sus Tech sway bars.
Now for my impressions:
Cornering is MUCH improved. little to no lean in the corners, and the back end almost completely stops trying to come around when you let off the gas on a hard corner. I would venture to say it's because the inside rear wheel is still planted on the ground where it should be, instead of freewheeling in air like you see in the pics of FWD cars on hard corners.
You want real numbers? the cloverleaf off-ramps on the highway that are marked 25mph.. I usually take them at about 45. 55 absolute MAX.. on the drive home Friday, I'd start into the corner about 40 and speed up as I was going through. The first couple times around, I hit the rev limiter in 2nd gear before I was done. (that's about 67mph on a VE 5 speed).
I took the last one in 3rd gear, but stopped about 65mph as there was a bump at the end that would send me flying into the far left lane if I went at it too hard.
That is a huge, I mean HUGE increase in the cornering ability- and remember, I've got every other suspension mod out there already.
Overall the feel of the car is much more solid. when I went over some speedbumps at an angle, the car felt much more solid and didn't whip my head back and forth when the car rocked after each tire went the bump.
Brake dive and squatting on hard acceleration also improved quite a bit. Don't ask how or why, but I noticed a difference.
The only downfall I see of these is that there's a small amount of increased road noise inside the car, probably due to the suspension being more rigid and transmitting a few more bumps into the cabin. the overall ride didn't change over small bumps and stuff- it's stiffer and more confident, but it didn't make small bumps harsh at all. It actually feels better this way. no more of the "thump rattle rattle rattle" of the car settling back down. it was just a "thump" and nothing after. The car immediately took back to its stance and drove on like the bump was never there.
As I said above, I HIGHLY recommend this mod to anyone that drives their car hard. They do hang slightly below the frame rails on the 3rd gens, (less than 1/2" max) but the middle section of the sway bar is about an inch lower then the lowest point on the subframe connectors. It might be a concern with you guys with sprint and Intrax springs.. you might "high center" if you went over large humps like driveways and stuff.. that's a point you'll have to determine yourself between your springs and where you drive, but I'm 100% for these things. I wish someone had done them sooner!
And here's the link to a few of the install pictures and stuff on the warpspeed website.
http://warpspeedperformance.com/subframe2.htm
- Matt
First, my current suspension mods:
Courtesy FSTB, 16" wheels, Firestone SZ-50 tires, Eibachs, Tokicos, Sus Tech sway bars.
Now for my impressions:
Cornering is MUCH improved. little to no lean in the corners, and the back end almost completely stops trying to come around when you let off the gas on a hard corner. I would venture to say it's because the inside rear wheel is still planted on the ground where it should be, instead of freewheeling in air like you see in the pics of FWD cars on hard corners.
You want real numbers? the cloverleaf off-ramps on the highway that are marked 25mph.. I usually take them at about 45. 55 absolute MAX.. on the drive home Friday, I'd start into the corner about 40 and speed up as I was going through. The first couple times around, I hit the rev limiter in 2nd gear before I was done. (that's about 67mph on a VE 5 speed).
I took the last one in 3rd gear, but stopped about 65mph as there was a bump at the end that would send me flying into the far left lane if I went at it too hard.
That is a huge, I mean HUGE increase in the cornering ability- and remember, I've got every other suspension mod out there already.
Overall the feel of the car is much more solid. when I went over some speedbumps at an angle, the car felt much more solid and didn't whip my head back and forth when the car rocked after each tire went the bump.
Brake dive and squatting on hard acceleration also improved quite a bit. Don't ask how or why, but I noticed a difference.
The only downfall I see of these is that there's a small amount of increased road noise inside the car, probably due to the suspension being more rigid and transmitting a few more bumps into the cabin. the overall ride didn't change over small bumps and stuff- it's stiffer and more confident, but it didn't make small bumps harsh at all. It actually feels better this way. no more of the "thump rattle rattle rattle" of the car settling back down. it was just a "thump" and nothing after. The car immediately took back to its stance and drove on like the bump was never there.
As I said above, I HIGHLY recommend this mod to anyone that drives their car hard. They do hang slightly below the frame rails on the 3rd gens, (less than 1/2" max) but the middle section of the sway bar is about an inch lower then the lowest point on the subframe connectors. It might be a concern with you guys with sprint and Intrax springs.. you might "high center" if you went over large humps like driveways and stuff.. that's a point you'll have to determine yourself between your springs and where you drive, but I'm 100% for these things. I wish someone had done them sooner!
And here's the link to a few of the install pictures and stuff on the warpspeed website.
http://warpspeedperformance.com/subframe2.htm
- Matt
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,940
Woweee! Now THAT is a gushing endorsement if I ever heard one! 
And here I was thinking that it'd make just an "okay" performance improvement. So Matt, if one had say, about $120 burning a hole in his pocket, you'd pick this over an Addco RSB? They're that good?
And here I was thinking that it'd make just an "okay" performance improvement. So Matt, if one had say, about $120 burning a hole in his pocket, you'd pick this over an Addco RSB? They're that good?
Originally posted by Bman
Woweee! Now THAT is a gushing endorsement if I ever heard one!
And here I was thinking that it'd make just an "okay" performance improvement. So Matt, if one had say, about $120 burning a hole in his pocket, you'd pick this over an Addco RSB? They're that good?
Woweee! Now THAT is a gushing endorsement if I ever heard one!
And here I was thinking that it'd make just an "okay" performance improvement. So Matt, if one had say, about $120 burning a hole in his pocket, you'd pick this over an Addco RSB? They're that good?
Yes, they're <I>that</T> good. Even my GF who has only been in the passenger seat said she could feel a big difference in the 5 minute test drive afterwards.
Originally posted by Bman
Woweee! Now THAT is a gushing endorsement if I ever heard one!
Woweee! Now THAT is a gushing endorsement if I ever heard one!
After reading the "This mod did as much for my car as the FSTB and sway bars put together." I am starting to reconsider ordering the RSB first thing after new years
for 125$.... hmmm.... wow.Great review Matt...
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