Another fine example of nissan's fine engineering
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Another fine example of nissan's fine engineering
I was pressing apart my internal transmission parts yesterday when I came to the realization that this project isnt gonna be as easy as it seems. For those of you who know the internal parts of the 5 speed, I wrung 2nd gear completely off the input shaft side, so this was what broke first. On the mainshaft side there are just a few teeth missing.
Thanks to Nissan's brilliant engineers, they decided to make 1st, reverse AND second gear all integrated onto the input shaft. Cost cutting at its greatest again. So, this means I have to replace the ENTIRE input shaft, as well as press off all the bearings, gears and synchros and parts from the old shaft onto the new. Another reason this is lousy engineering is because the input shaft is so complex, this would have had to have been a cast part, as a forged part would have been mucho dinero. This also explains why I wrung 2nd gear completely clean off the input shaft side because cast is structurally weaker then the forged gear on the other side. Forged is stronger because it is less likely to has stress risers and cause fractures. Forged is where you start with a solid block of steel and then machine it into whatever it is you're making where as a cast part is where there is a mould for the part, and liquid steel is poured into the mould .
This also means if anybody wanted to change the gear ratio's of 2nd, 1st or reverse, it will be VERY expensive.
I still dont know what to do, just try to rebuild this guy or just go out and get another transmission as this gives me another reason to add to my "get rid of car" list.
Lesson is, if you're putting in a Quaife differential or you need to rebuild your transmission, DEFINATELY cryo treat the internal transmission parts, especially the input shaft.
Thanks to Nissan's brilliant engineers, they decided to make 1st, reverse AND second gear all integrated onto the input shaft. Cost cutting at its greatest again. So, this means I have to replace the ENTIRE input shaft, as well as press off all the bearings, gears and synchros and parts from the old shaft onto the new. Another reason this is lousy engineering is because the input shaft is so complex, this would have had to have been a cast part, as a forged part would have been mucho dinero. This also explains why I wrung 2nd gear completely clean off the input shaft side because cast is structurally weaker then the forged gear on the other side. Forged is stronger because it is less likely to has stress risers and cause fractures. Forged is where you start with a solid block of steel and then machine it into whatever it is you're making where as a cast part is where there is a mould for the part, and liquid steel is poured into the mould .
This also means if anybody wanted to change the gear ratio's of 2nd, 1st or reverse, it will be VERY expensive.
I still dont know what to do, just try to rebuild this guy or just go out and get another transmission as this gives me another reason to add to my "get rid of car" list.
Lesson is, if you're putting in a Quaife differential or you need to rebuild your transmission, DEFINATELY cryo treat the internal transmission parts, especially the input shaft.
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Perhaps because my tranny might have been structurally weak already. I'm also one of the few peoples here with polyurethane motor mounts, a brand new (at the time) ACT clutch, and the Quaife differential running 225 50 16 tires. All these factors, and undoubtedly the differential increased the stress of the transmission because traction especially during the 1-2 shift was probably doubled. There was no room for the clutch to slip, movement of the engine was also eliminated as was spinning of the tires. With the gear that was stripped being directly on the input shaft, it saw 100% of the engine's power.
but it should have held up better then this, as my car does not run NOS or forced induction.
but it should have held up better then this, as my car does not run NOS or forced induction.
didn't u say 1st and 2nd gear were at different ends of the tranny?? or did i read wrong?
like i said..1st and 2nd are close together.
now sell the car quick and get a camry so you can get off this BBS.
like i said..1st and 2nd are close together.
now sell the car quick and get a camry so you can get off this BBS.
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Eric, what kind of cost would it be to have a new set of gears cut for 1st and 2nd? I'm just wondering if you could have some made out of a stronger material, then cryo treat it, and maybe even have sequential gearing made for the 1-2 shift. Those should be the only two gears you would really need to worry about beefing up to handle the added stress anyway.....
As far as you being NA compaired to forced induction, the fact of the matter is, is with your add ons its obvious that if pushed the added stress can't be handled by the tranny. I doubt there are many if any guys running everything you have PLUS forced induction, becuase if they were and pushed the car as you have, their's would do the same exact thing, if not a little worse. With most cars there comes a point in time that with added mods, trannies start going. I've read of a few cars built up, eating more than a couple trannies before they are built up solid. I guess Nissans arent built to handle alot of torque (funny cause the motor has it). Well, good luck with it, and let us know how it turns out!
As far as you being NA compaired to forced induction, the fact of the matter is, is with your add ons its obvious that if pushed the added stress can't be handled by the tranny. I doubt there are many if any guys running everything you have PLUS forced induction, becuase if they were and pushed the car as you have, their's would do the same exact thing, if not a little worse. With most cars there comes a point in time that with added mods, trannies start going. I've read of a few cars built up, eating more than a couple trannies before they are built up solid. I guess Nissans arent built to handle alot of torque (funny cause the motor has it). Well, good luck with it, and let us know how it turns out!
I have PR mounts, Centerforce DF, Quaife, STS, 225/50/16 and forced induction. I went to the track last weekend and did ~15 pass's, with burn outs etc. I dont shift 1-2 very hard or power shift, I take my time and ease into it. I still get a nice chirp though!
Originally posted by ericdwong
Perhaps because my tranny might have been structurally weak already. I'm also one of the few peoples here with polyurethane motor mounts, a brand new (at the time) ACT clutch, and the Quaife differential running 225 50 16 tires. All these factors, and undoubtedly the differential increased the stress of the transmission because traction especially during the 1-2 shift was probably doubled. There was no room for the clutch to slip, movement of the engine was also eliminated as was spinning of the tires. With the gear that was stripped being directly on the input shaft, it saw 100% of the engine's power.
but it should have held up better then this, as my car does not run NOS or forced induction.
Perhaps because my tranny might have been structurally weak already. I'm also one of the few peoples here with polyurethane motor mounts, a brand new (at the time) ACT clutch, and the Quaife differential running 225 50 16 tires. All these factors, and undoubtedly the differential increased the stress of the transmission because traction especially during the 1-2 shift was probably doubled. There was no room for the clutch to slip, movement of the engine was also eliminated as was spinning of the tires. With the gear that was stripped being directly on the input shaft, it saw 100% of the engine's power.
but it should have held up better then this, as my car does not run NOS or forced induction.
Do not say that you don't do stupid stuff with your maxima because let me tell you something - 75% of the people on this board drive their car hard - and of that maybe 30% drive it REALLY hard - and no one has the problems you're having so either you're doing really really dumb stuff or your car is an exception. And if your car is an exception than stop blaming nissan - sell it and get on with your life.
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Originally posted by Whitemax
Eric, what kind of cost would it be to have a new set of gears cut for 1st and 2nd? I'm just wondering if you could have some made out of a stronger material, then cryo treat it, and maybe even have sequential gearing made for the 1-2 shift. Those should be the only two gears you would really need to worry about beefing up to handle the added stress anyway.....
As far as you being NA compaired to forced induction, the fact of the matter is, is with your add ons its obvious that if pushed the added stress can't be handled by the tranny. I doubt there are many if any guys running everything you have PLUS forced induction, becuase if they were and pushed the car as you have, their's would do the same exact thing, if not a little worse. With most cars there comes a point in time that with added mods, trannies start going. I've read of a few cars built up, eating more than a couple trannies before they are built up solid. I guess Nissans arent built to handle alot of torque (funny cause the motor has it). Well, good luck with it, and let us know how it turns out!
Eric, what kind of cost would it be to have a new set of gears cut for 1st and 2nd? I'm just wondering if you could have some made out of a stronger material, then cryo treat it, and maybe even have sequential gearing made for the 1-2 shift. Those should be the only two gears you would really need to worry about beefing up to handle the added stress anyway.....
As far as you being NA compaired to forced induction, the fact of the matter is, is with your add ons its obvious that if pushed the added stress can't be handled by the tranny. I doubt there are many if any guys running everything you have PLUS forced induction, becuase if they were and pushed the car as you have, their's would do the same exact thing, if not a little worse. With most cars there comes a point in time that with added mods, trannies start going. I've read of a few cars built up, eating more than a couple trannies before they are built up solid. I guess Nissans arent built to handle alot of torque (funny cause the motor has it). Well, good luck with it, and let us know how it turns out!
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Eric-
You're right, the most likely the reason 2nd broke was due to all the torque being transferred directly to the tranny. The weakest link will break. Usually it's the differential. I guess we add 2nd gear to that now. I only know of two documented cases on the org about failed differentials and they were both caused by abusive drag slick launches. I've never heard of a 2nd gear tranny failure on this org which leads me to believe it's really not an engineering problem if it's only happened to one guy in here. You've got to abmit to yourself that you drive cars very hard. The Maxima isn't a race car nor is it designed to be driven like one. I want you to list the cars you are considering on buying and I am certain I can list potential problmes for each car. Try me.
I'll start. A while ago you posted that you wanted to buy an LS1 F-Body. Typical LS1 problems are faulty sensors, oil consumption problems, few internal problems on the 6 speed, and the infamously weak 7.5" rearend that can't even take launches on drag radials.
In another post you said you were considering a 3 series BMW. Definately a nice car, but you should EXPECT lots of electrical gremlins. It almost wouldn't be a German car if it didn't have electrical problems. These cars are very complicated therefore they are very hard to trouble shoot. Simply put, you'll spend big bucks fixing your BMW because doing "shade tree" work on these cars really isn't an option. The trannies are alos known for poor syncros with higher mileage.
I recommend this car to fulfill your hard driving habits. Get a good condition 94-95 Mustang GT (5.0) AUTOMATIC (~$7000). Since you're a shade tree mechanic, you'll be able to put in a nice street Lenco tranny, slightly higher stall converter, throw 4.10s in the back, GT40 upper/lower intake manifold, UD pullies, GT40 heads, headers, 2.5" exhaust, revised MAF, adjustable suspension, and lowering springs, drag radials on the rear. With this setup, unless you don't you *** from a hole in a wall, should be good for lower 13s/high 12s. This car should be able to take anything you throw at it in terms of tranny/engine abuse plus it will quinch you thrist for a fast car. These cars are also incredibly easy to work on.
Dave
You're right, the most likely the reason 2nd broke was due to all the torque being transferred directly to the tranny. The weakest link will break. Usually it's the differential. I guess we add 2nd gear to that now. I only know of two documented cases on the org about failed differentials and they were both caused by abusive drag slick launches. I've never heard of a 2nd gear tranny failure on this org which leads me to believe it's really not an engineering problem if it's only happened to one guy in here. You've got to abmit to yourself that you drive cars very hard. The Maxima isn't a race car nor is it designed to be driven like one. I want you to list the cars you are considering on buying and I am certain I can list potential problmes for each car. Try me.
I'll start. A while ago you posted that you wanted to buy an LS1 F-Body. Typical LS1 problems are faulty sensors, oil consumption problems, few internal problems on the 6 speed, and the infamously weak 7.5" rearend that can't even take launches on drag radials.
In another post you said you were considering a 3 series BMW. Definately a nice car, but you should EXPECT lots of electrical gremlins. It almost wouldn't be a German car if it didn't have electrical problems. These cars are very complicated therefore they are very hard to trouble shoot. Simply put, you'll spend big bucks fixing your BMW because doing "shade tree" work on these cars really isn't an option. The trannies are alos known for poor syncros with higher mileage.
I recommend this car to fulfill your hard driving habits. Get a good condition 94-95 Mustang GT (5.0) AUTOMATIC (~$7000). Since you're a shade tree mechanic, you'll be able to put in a nice street Lenco tranny, slightly higher stall converter, throw 4.10s in the back, GT40 upper/lower intake manifold, UD pullies, GT40 heads, headers, 2.5" exhaust, revised MAF, adjustable suspension, and lowering springs, drag radials on the rear. With this setup, unless you don't you *** from a hole in a wall, should be good for lower 13s/high 12s. This car should be able to take anything you throw at it in terms of tranny/engine abuse plus it will quinch you thrist for a fast car. These cars are also incredibly easy to work on.
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Originally posted by Dave B
Eric-
You're right, the most likely the reason 2nd broke was due to all the torque being transferred directly to the tranny. The weakest link will break. Usually it's the differential. I guess we add 2nd gear to that now. I only know of two documented cases on the org about failed differentials and they were both caused by abusive drag slick launches. I've never heard of a 2nd gear tranny failure on this org which leads me to believe it's really not an engineering problem if it's only happened to one guy in here. You've got to abmit to yourself that you drive cars very hard. The Maxima isn't a race car nor is it designed to be driven like one. I want you to list the cars you are considering on buying and I am certain I can list potential problmes for each car. Try me.
I'll start. A while ago you posted that you wanted to buy an LS1 F-Body. Typical LS1 problems are faulty sensors, oil consumption problems, few internal problems on the 6 speed, and the infamously weak 7.5" rearend that can't even take launches on drag radials.
In another post you said you were considering a 3 series BMW. Definately a nice car, but you should EXPECT lots of electrical gremlins. It almost wouldn't be a German car if it didn't have electrical problems. These cars are very complicated therefore they are very hard to trouble shoot. Simply put, you'll spend big bucks fixing your BMW because doing "shade tree" work on these cars really isn't an option. The trannies are alos known for poor syncros with higher mileage.
I recommend this car to fulfill your hard driving habits. Get a good condition 94-95 Mustang GT (5.0) AUTOMATIC (~$7000). Since you're a shade tree mechanic, you'll be able to put in a nice street Lenco tranny, slightly higher stall converter, throw 4.10s in the back, GT40 upper/lower intake manifold, UD pullies, GT40 heads, headers, 2.5" exhaust, revised MAF, adjustable suspension, and lowering springs, drag radials on the rear. With this setup, unless you don't you *** from a hole in a wall, should be good for lower 13s/high 12s. This car should be able to take anything you throw at it in terms of tranny/engine abuse plus it will quinch you thrist for a fast car. These cars are also incredibly easy to work on.
Dave
Eric-
You're right, the most likely the reason 2nd broke was due to all the torque being transferred directly to the tranny. The weakest link will break. Usually it's the differential. I guess we add 2nd gear to that now. I only know of two documented cases on the org about failed differentials and they were both caused by abusive drag slick launches. I've never heard of a 2nd gear tranny failure on this org which leads me to believe it's really not an engineering problem if it's only happened to one guy in here. You've got to abmit to yourself that you drive cars very hard. The Maxima isn't a race car nor is it designed to be driven like one. I want you to list the cars you are considering on buying and I am certain I can list potential problmes for each car. Try me.
I'll start. A while ago you posted that you wanted to buy an LS1 F-Body. Typical LS1 problems are faulty sensors, oil consumption problems, few internal problems on the 6 speed, and the infamously weak 7.5" rearend that can't even take launches on drag radials.
In another post you said you were considering a 3 series BMW. Definately a nice car, but you should EXPECT lots of electrical gremlins. It almost wouldn't be a German car if it didn't have electrical problems. These cars are very complicated therefore they are very hard to trouble shoot. Simply put, you'll spend big bucks fixing your BMW because doing "shade tree" work on these cars really isn't an option. The trannies are alos known for poor syncros with higher mileage.
I recommend this car to fulfill your hard driving habits. Get a good condition 94-95 Mustang GT (5.0) AUTOMATIC (~$7000). Since you're a shade tree mechanic, you'll be able to put in a nice street Lenco tranny, slightly higher stall converter, throw 4.10s in the back, GT40 upper/lower intake manifold, UD pullies, GT40 heads, headers, 2.5" exhaust, revised MAF, adjustable suspension, and lowering springs, drag radials on the rear. With this setup, unless you don't you *** from a hole in a wall, should be good for lower 13s/high 12s. This car should be able to take anything you throw at it in terms of tranny/engine abuse plus it will quinch you thrist for a fast car. These cars are also incredibly easy to work on.
Dave
Originally posted by CKNY
Perhaps it's because you're one of the only people I know that does incredibly stupid **** like burnout on pillows...
Do not say that you don't do stupid stuff with your maxima because let me tell you something - 75% of the people on this board drive their car hard - and of that maybe 30% drive it REALLY hard - and no one has the problems you're having so either you're doing really really dumb stuff or your car is an exception. And if your car is an exception than stop blaming nissan - sell it and get on with your life.
Perhaps it's because you're one of the only people I know that does incredibly stupid **** like burnout on pillows...
Do not say that you don't do stupid stuff with your maxima because let me tell you something - 75% of the people on this board drive their car hard - and of that maybe 30% drive it REALLY hard - and no one has the problems you're having so either you're doing really really dumb stuff or your car is an exception. And if your car is an exception than stop blaming nissan - sell it and get on with your life.
it's all nissan's fault i tell u!!
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Originally posted by DanNY
no no!! it's all Nissan's fault! they designed a poor tranny. they designed a poor car. it's a POS from the get go. every car should be able to burn out on pillows and drift on trays...ALL OF THEM! and the ones that can't should be able to spin the tires in the rain to the point the tires start smoking.
it's all nissan's fault i tell u!!
no no!! it's all Nissan's fault! they designed a poor tranny. they designed a poor car. it's a POS from the get go. every car should be able to burn out on pillows and drift on trays...ALL OF THEM! and the ones that can't should be able to spin the tires in the rain to the point the tires start smoking.
it's all nissan's fault i tell u!!
Originally posted by DanNY
no no!! it's all Nissan's fault! they designed a poor tranny. they designed a poor car. it's a POS from the get go. every car should be able to burn out on pillows and drift on trays...ALL OF THEM! and the ones that can't should be able to spin the tires in the rain to the point the tires start smoking.
it's all nissan's fault i tell u!!
no no!! it's all Nissan's fault! they designed a poor tranny. they designed a poor car. it's a POS from the get go. every car should be able to burn out on pillows and drift on trays...ALL OF THEM! and the ones that can't should be able to spin the tires in the rain to the point the tires start smoking.
it's all nissan's fault i tell u!!
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Originally posted by Dave B
Eric-
You're right, the most likely the reason 2nd broke was due to all the torque being transferred directly to the tranny. The weakest link will break. Usually it's the differential. I guess we add 2nd gear to that now. I only know of two documented cases on the org about failed differentials and they were both caused by abusive drag slick launches. I've never heard of a 2nd gear tranny failure on this org which leads me to believe it's really not an engineering problem if it's only happened to one guy in here. You've got to abmit to yourself that you drive cars very hard. The Maxima isn't a race car nor is it designed to be driven like one. I want you to list the cars you are considering on buying and I am certain I can list potential problmes for each car. Try me.
I'll start. A while ago you posted that you wanted to buy an LS1 F-Body. Typical LS1 problems are faulty sensors, oil consumption problems, few internal problems on the 6 speed, and the infamously weak 7.5" rearend that can't even take launches on drag radials.
In another post you said you were considering a 3 series BMW. Definately a nice car, but you should EXPECT lots of electrical gremlins. It almost wouldn't be a German car if it didn't have electrical problems. These cars are very complicated therefore they are very hard to trouble shoot. Simply put, you'll spend big bucks fixing your BMW because doing "shade tree" work on these cars really isn't an option. The trannies are alos known for poor syncros with higher mileage.
I recommend this car to fulfill your hard driving habits. Get a good condition 94-95 Mustang GT (5.0) AUTOMATIC (~$7000). Since you're a shade tree mechanic, you'll be able to put in a nice street Lenco tranny, slightly higher stall converter, throw 4.10s in the back, GT40 upper/lower intake manifold, UD pullies, GT40 heads, headers, 2.5" exhaust, revised MAF, adjustable suspension, and lowering springs, drag radials on the rear. With this setup, unless you don't you *** from a hole in a wall, should be good for lower 13s/high 12s. This car should be able to take anything you throw at it in terms of tranny/engine abuse plus it will quinch you thrist for a fast car. These cars are also incredibly easy to work on.
Dave
Eric-
You're right, the most likely the reason 2nd broke was due to all the torque being transferred directly to the tranny. The weakest link will break. Usually it's the differential. I guess we add 2nd gear to that now. I only know of two documented cases on the org about failed differentials and they were both caused by abusive drag slick launches. I've never heard of a 2nd gear tranny failure on this org which leads me to believe it's really not an engineering problem if it's only happened to one guy in here. You've got to abmit to yourself that you drive cars very hard. The Maxima isn't a race car nor is it designed to be driven like one. I want you to list the cars you are considering on buying and I am certain I can list potential problmes for each car. Try me.
I'll start. A while ago you posted that you wanted to buy an LS1 F-Body. Typical LS1 problems are faulty sensors, oil consumption problems, few internal problems on the 6 speed, and the infamously weak 7.5" rearend that can't even take launches on drag radials.
In another post you said you were considering a 3 series BMW. Definately a nice car, but you should EXPECT lots of electrical gremlins. It almost wouldn't be a German car if it didn't have electrical problems. These cars are very complicated therefore they are very hard to trouble shoot. Simply put, you'll spend big bucks fixing your BMW because doing "shade tree" work on these cars really isn't an option. The trannies are alos known for poor syncros with higher mileage.
I recommend this car to fulfill your hard driving habits. Get a good condition 94-95 Mustang GT (5.0) AUTOMATIC (~$7000). Since you're a shade tree mechanic, you'll be able to put in a nice street Lenco tranny, slightly higher stall converter, throw 4.10s in the back, GT40 upper/lower intake manifold, UD pullies, GT40 heads, headers, 2.5" exhaust, revised MAF, adjustable suspension, and lowering springs, drag radials on the rear. With this setup, unless you don't you *** from a hole in a wall, should be good for lower 13s/high 12s. This car should be able to take anything you throw at it in terms of tranny/engine abuse plus it will quinch you thrist for a fast car. These cars are also incredibly easy to work on.
Dave
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Originally posted by DanNY
no no!! it's all Nissan's fault! they designed a poor tranny. they designed a poor car. it's a POS from the get go. every car should be able to burn out on pillows and drift on trays...ALL OF THEM! and the ones that can't should be able to spin the tires in the rain to the point the tires start smoking.
it's all nissan's fault i tell u!!
no no!! it's all Nissan's fault! they designed a poor tranny. they designed a poor car. it's a POS from the get go. every car should be able to burn out on pillows and drift on trays...ALL OF THEM! and the ones that can't should be able to spin the tires in the rain to the point the tires start smoking.
it's all nissan's fault i tell u!!
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I knew I was gonna get flamed when I posted this. Anyway flame on as you please, my words are getting quite twisted around. First off, I have never said my car has tons of problems, I have a problematic time with the transmission, although I do question several aspects of the engineering.
As for this post, I don't blame Nissan my transmission broke (but I DO blame them for my first differential carrier bearing going up), I blame them because their cost cutting made it hard as ***** to replace parts. Infact in my first post from http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=83763 I post
"Before I get flamed for this post, realize that I'm not placing the blame on anybody in particular here. But I'm aware and quite sure my style of driving had something to do with it breaking 2nd gear. But then again we all know that the Nissan manual transmission arent the most reliable thing in the world. I also do not run nitro or boost. I should also mention that I have NEVER powershifted or attempted to. I always do full lift throttle with fully clutched shifts.
"
As for the gears being "next to each other" yes they are next to each other, and they are connected to a single shaft, however thats like saying if you pop the right tire, the left tire will also pop because the non independent rear beam connects them together... my 1st gear still works fine, so do all the other gears, so burnouts was not the cause here.
I DO realize that EVERY car has its quirks and flaws, but after working on this car and many other cars, many aspects of the way it was designed and built really start to bug me. Examples- non independent rear suspension, the lack of use of isolated subframe mounted suspension parts, donut spare tire, 9004 headlights until 99 year, rod style shifters, my latest discovery of 1st gearing being on the same shaft as 2nd gear...
As for everybody else flaming me, whether it was abusive driving or not is beside the point. The point here was Nissan did a lousy job engineering this car since all the cash went into the motor, they cut costs alright but then made it hard to rebuild a transmission due to the integration of gears on the mainshaft. These short cuts and the lousy quality and engineering are even more reasons that make me loose this car.
As for this post, I don't blame Nissan my transmission broke (but I DO blame them for my first differential carrier bearing going up), I blame them because their cost cutting made it hard as ***** to replace parts. Infact in my first post from http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=83763 I post
"Before I get flamed for this post, realize that I'm not placing the blame on anybody in particular here. But I'm aware and quite sure my style of driving had something to do with it breaking 2nd gear. But then again we all know that the Nissan manual transmission arent the most reliable thing in the world. I also do not run nitro or boost. I should also mention that I have NEVER powershifted or attempted to. I always do full lift throttle with fully clutched shifts.
"
As for the gears being "next to each other" yes they are next to each other, and they are connected to a single shaft, however thats like saying if you pop the right tire, the left tire will also pop because the non independent rear beam connects them together... my 1st gear still works fine, so do all the other gears, so burnouts was not the cause here.
I DO realize that EVERY car has its quirks and flaws, but after working on this car and many other cars, many aspects of the way it was designed and built really start to bug me. Examples- non independent rear suspension, the lack of use of isolated subframe mounted suspension parts, donut spare tire, 9004 headlights until 99 year, rod style shifters, my latest discovery of 1st gearing being on the same shaft as 2nd gear...
As for everybody else flaming me, whether it was abusive driving or not is beside the point. The point here was Nissan did a lousy job engineering this car since all the cash went into the motor, they cut costs alright but then made it hard to rebuild a transmission due to the integration of gears on the mainshaft. These short cuts and the lousy quality and engineering are even more reasons that make me loose this car.
its like the crack head syndrome.. "its not my fault.. its your fault"
Originally posted by ericdwong
I knew I was gonna get flamed when I posted this. Anyway flame on as you please, my words are getting quite twisted around. First off, I have never said my car has tons of problems, I have a problematic time with the transmission, although I do question several aspects of the engineering.
As for this post, I don't blame Nissan my transmission broke (but I DO blame them for my first differential carrier bearing going up), I blame them because their cost cutting made it hard as ***** to replace parts. Infact in my first post from http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=83763 I post
"Before I get flamed for this post, realize that I'm not placing the blame on anybody in particular here. But I'm aware and quite sure my style of driving had something to do with it breaking 2nd gear. But then again we all know that the Nissan manual transmission arent the most reliable thing in the world. I also do not run nitro or boost. I should also mention that I have NEVER powershifted or attempted to. I always do full lift throttle with fully clutched shifts.
"
As for the gears being "next to each other" yes they are next to each other, and they are connected to a single shaft, however thats like saying if you pop the right tire, the left tire will also pop because the non independent rear beam connects them together... my 1st gear still works fine, so do all the other gears, so burnouts was not the cause here.
I DO realize that EVERY car has its quirks and flaws, but after working on this car and many other cars, many aspects of the way it was designed and built really start to bug me. Examples- non independent rear suspension, the lack of use of isolated subframe mounted suspension parts, donut spare tire, 9004 headlights until 99 year, rod style shifters, my latest discovery of 1st gearing being on the same shaft as 2nd gear...
As for everybody else flaming me, whether it was abusive driving or not is beside the point. The point here was Nissan did a lousy job engineering this car since all the cash went into the motor, they cut costs alright but then made it hard to rebuild a transmission due to the integration of gears on the mainshaft. These short cuts and the lousy quality and engineering are even more reasons that make me loose this car.
I knew I was gonna get flamed when I posted this. Anyway flame on as you please, my words are getting quite twisted around. First off, I have never said my car has tons of problems, I have a problematic time with the transmission, although I do question several aspects of the engineering.
As for this post, I don't blame Nissan my transmission broke (but I DO blame them for my first differential carrier bearing going up), I blame them because their cost cutting made it hard as ***** to replace parts. Infact in my first post from http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=83763 I post
"Before I get flamed for this post, realize that I'm not placing the blame on anybody in particular here. But I'm aware and quite sure my style of driving had something to do with it breaking 2nd gear. But then again we all know that the Nissan manual transmission arent the most reliable thing in the world. I also do not run nitro or boost. I should also mention that I have NEVER powershifted or attempted to. I always do full lift throttle with fully clutched shifts.
"
As for the gears being "next to each other" yes they are next to each other, and they are connected to a single shaft, however thats like saying if you pop the right tire, the left tire will also pop because the non independent rear beam connects them together... my 1st gear still works fine, so do all the other gears, so burnouts was not the cause here.
I DO realize that EVERY car has its quirks and flaws, but after working on this car and many other cars, many aspects of the way it was designed and built really start to bug me. Examples- non independent rear suspension, the lack of use of isolated subframe mounted suspension parts, donut spare tire, 9004 headlights until 99 year, rod style shifters, my latest discovery of 1st gearing being on the same shaft as 2nd gear...
As for everybody else flaming me, whether it was abusive driving or not is beside the point. The point here was Nissan did a lousy job engineering this car since all the cash went into the motor, they cut costs alright but then made it hard to rebuild a transmission due to the integration of gears on the mainshaft. These short cuts and the lousy quality and engineering are even more reasons that make me loose this car.
i didn't say it was related or not...i said they (1st and 2nd) were close..you said no. end of story...stop trying to talk your way out of it...just admit that you were WRONG!
right tire, right side of car.
left tire left side of car.
your analogy $ucks!
1st gear...one part of tranny...2nd gear ON THE SAME shaft next to the tranny...how can that be compared to the left wheel and right wheel? those are totally opposite side of the car...not so w/ 1st and 2nd gear.
your style? you said you DO NOT abuse the car. that's from your post! don't make me dig it up..u said it doesn't hurt the tranny.
5th gen got the H4..2000..not 1999.
poor design, bad tranny, bad radio, bad interior, everything is a POS except the engine..and not the entire engine..all the components around the engine are POS too. just the long block section is good.
i'm telling u...sell the car b4 it explodes on u or something.
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Try again- the differential carrier bearings was problematic for the 4 gen in both i30 and maxima for the 5 speed, and it seems particularly around the late 95 thru 96 and 97 cars. And this wasnt a no-big-deal problem either, its extremely expensive to fix and if not done correctly will happen again.
Yes it would seem I'm the only one with a blown second gear, but when the next person blows second gear and finds out how much it costs to fix becasue of the impossibility of replacing just the gear itself.
Keep driving your maxima since it makes you happy. Driving my moms Camry makes me happy, and whatever car is next will also make me happy now that I know what NOT to buy in a car.
Yes it would seem I'm the only one with a blown second gear, but when the next person blows second gear and finds out how much it costs to fix becasue of the impossibility of replacing just the gear itself.
Keep driving your maxima since it makes you happy. Driving my moms Camry makes me happy, and whatever car is next will also make me happy now that I know what NOT to buy in a car.
Eric. With a FWD tranny, there is not too many choices for how many shafts you can put in to hold the gears. I believe there might be maybe two shafts? One for 1-4 and another for 5th and reverse?? I mean what FWD tranny would NOT be set up pretty much like the Maxima? ARe you comparing the Nissan 5-sp to the Camry 5-sp?
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Originally posted by DanNY
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i didn't say it was related or not...i said they (1st and 2nd) were close..you said no. end of story...stop trying to talk your way out of it...just admit that you were WRONG!
right tire, right side of car.
left tire left side of car.
your analogy $ucks!
1st gear...one part of tranny...2nd gear ON THE SAME shaft next to the tranny...how can that be compared to the left wheel and right wheel? those are totally opposite side of the car...not so w/ 1st and 2nd gear.
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i didn't say it was related or not...i said they (1st and 2nd) were close..you said no. end of story...stop trying to talk your way out of it...just admit that you were WRONG!
right tire, right side of car.
left tire left side of car.
your analogy $ucks!
1st gear...one part of tranny...2nd gear ON THE SAME shaft next to the tranny...how can that be compared to the left wheel and right wheel? those are totally opposite side of the car...not so w/ 1st and 2nd gear.
your style? you said you DO NOT abuse the car. that's from your post! don't make me dig it up..u said it doesn't hurt the tranny.
5th gen got the H4..2000..not 1999.
poor design, bad tranny, bad radio, bad interior, everything is a POS except the engine..and not the entire engine..all the components around the engine are POS too. just the long block section is good.
i'm telling u...sell the car b4 it explodes on u or something.
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
Eric. With a FWD tranny, there is not too many choices for how many shafts you can put in to hold the gears. I believe there might be maybe two shafts? One for 1-4 and another for 5th and reverse?? I mean what FWD tranny would NOT be set up pretty much like the Maxima? ARe you comparing the Nissan 5-sp to the Camry 5-sp?
Eric. With a FWD tranny, there is not too many choices for how many shafts you can put in to hold the gears. I believe there might be maybe two shafts? One for 1-4 and another for 5th and reverse?? I mean what FWD tranny would NOT be set up pretty much like the Maxima? ARe you comparing the Nissan 5-sp to the Camry 5-sp?
Yes you are right there are 2 shafts. One is the input shaft, the other is the main shaft. Then there is the final drive which is where the diffy is.
Oh. good info.
But Toyota trannies are different? I mean there is not alot of FWD 5-sps on maximas anyway. And Toyota has even stopped offering 5-sps on some lines?
So costs are big concern when you are not churning out millions of them like the auto trannies. so you have very little 5-sps, then even 1% of those guys even wanting to mod them. Besides, I don't think you would really want to change the gearing on the maxima anyway, unless you go SC or turbo.
I would just try to get your new pieces cryo-treated and put the tranny together as carefully as you can.
But Toyota trannies are different? I mean there is not alot of FWD 5-sps on maximas anyway. And Toyota has even stopped offering 5-sps on some lines?
So costs are big concern when you are not churning out millions of them like the auto trannies. so you have very little 5-sps, then even 1% of those guys even wanting to mod them. Besides, I don't think you would really want to change the gearing on the maxima anyway, unless you go SC or turbo.
I would just try to get your new pieces cryo-treated and put the tranny together as carefully as you can.
Originally posted by ericdwong
Jeff what I am saying is that 1st, 2nd and reverse are CAST into the shaft, so the gear is NOT removeable. This means very expensive repair bills as you have to replace the SHAFT to replace those gears. The gears arent seperate so you can't just replace that specific gear. This also means if you want to modify the gear ratio, its near next to impossible cause you just cant take off that specific gear to replace it. You gotta either cast or forge the entire shaft.
Yes you are right there are 2 shafts. One is the input shaft, the other is the main shaft. Then there is the final drive which is where the diffy is.
Jeff what I am saying is that 1st, 2nd and reverse are CAST into the shaft, so the gear is NOT removeable. This means very expensive repair bills as you have to replace the SHAFT to replace those gears. The gears arent seperate so you can't just replace that specific gear. This also means if you want to modify the gear ratio, its near next to impossible cause you just cant take off that specific gear to replace it. You gotta either cast or forge the entire shaft.
Yes you are right there are 2 shafts. One is the input shaft, the other is the main shaft. Then there is the final drive which is where the diffy is.
ahhh so u do burnouts...no no that's NOT abuse WHAT SO EVER!
your burnout may or may not contribute to your 2nd gear going. but what did u do to break the 2nd gear? and don't say you were granny shifting and all of the sudden the entire gear just all lost it. because you had to physically break it. if u do slip or do certain destructive things it will wear out slowly. but it takes a lot to totally destroy the gear. i don't know what other BS u do w/ your car that you don't post.
nah no power shift..oh wait..you're telling me burnouts do not hurt the tranny right? only when you shift u do..and u only burnout in 1st anyway...that has nothing to do w/ 2nd gear.
your whole defense is you only abuse 1st gear and your 2nd gear failing has NOTHING to do w/ 1st gear burn outs.
up to 99...doesn't that mean including 99? ok whatever u think.
like i said..the car is a rolling piece of crap. it's all nissan fault. everyone should sell all their maxima because the car is a POS..right?
prepping? you're not going to do 1 last burn out on the pillows for old time sake b4 u sell it? you should already have the forsale sign up already.
your burnout may or may not contribute to your 2nd gear going. but what did u do to break the 2nd gear? and don't say you were granny shifting and all of the sudden the entire gear just all lost it. because you had to physically break it. if u do slip or do certain destructive things it will wear out slowly. but it takes a lot to totally destroy the gear. i don't know what other BS u do w/ your car that you don't post.
nah no power shift..oh wait..you're telling me burnouts do not hurt the tranny right? only when you shift u do..and u only burnout in 1st anyway...that has nothing to do w/ 2nd gear.
your whole defense is you only abuse 1st gear and your 2nd gear failing has NOTHING to do w/ 1st gear burn outs.
up to 99...doesn't that mean including 99? ok whatever u think.
like i said..the car is a rolling piece of crap. it's all nissan fault. everyone should sell all their maxima because the car is a POS..right?
prepping? you're not going to do 1 last burn out on the pillows for old time sake b4 u sell it? you should already have the forsale sign up already.
Originally posted by ericdwong
Umm hello- unless you've gone into a 5 speed nissan tranny and saw exactly how it operated you got no room to talk whatsoever. So you're telling me I blew 2nd gear from doing burnouts in 1st gear? OK I'll take your word for it.
Dig up where I said I never abuse the car. I said I dont power shift.
Funny, cause I said "up until the 99 year". Last time I checked 2000 does not include 99
Pretty much. CD player skips, interior sux, engine really aint the hot stuff either.
I agree, why am I spending so much time on this computer? I should be prepping the car for sale.
Umm hello- unless you've gone into a 5 speed nissan tranny and saw exactly how it operated you got no room to talk whatsoever. So you're telling me I blew 2nd gear from doing burnouts in 1st gear? OK I'll take your word for it.
Dig up where I said I never abuse the car. I said I dont power shift.
Funny, cause I said "up until the 99 year". Last time I checked 2000 does not include 99
Pretty much. CD player skips, interior sux, engine really aint the hot stuff either.
I agree, why am I spending so much time on this computer? I should be prepping the car for sale.
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You've heard all my stories, believe me I got nothing to hide. Whats this about defense and stuff? What am I defending? I acknowledge 2nd gear broke, and its probbly from sprited driving with my added equipment. Once again you beat around the bush saying I'm trying to play the blame game. My blame here is the engineers and productions crew who made it hard and expensive as ***** to repair the gears. Notice the title of the thread...
As for the pillows, whats the difference between that and burning out in the burnout box? Infact its probbly easier on the car to do it on pillows (after all you gotta sit/sleep on them, not asphault) then it is on the asphault.
Still waiting to hear where I posted I never abuse my car... use the search function...... see what you come up with.
As for the pillows, whats the difference between that and burning out in the burnout box? Infact its probbly easier on the car to do it on pillows (after all you gotta sit/sleep on them, not asphault) then it is on the asphault.
Still waiting to hear where I posted I never abuse my car... use the search function...... see what you come up with.
Originally posted by DanNY
ahhh so u do burnouts...no no that's NOT abuse WHAT SO EVER!
your burnout may or may not contribute to your 2nd gear going. but what did u do to break the 2nd gear? and don't say you were granny shifting and all of the sudden the entire gear just all lost it. because you had to physically break it. if u do slip or do certain destructive things it will wear out slowly. but it takes a lot to totally destroy the gear. i don't know what other BS u do w/ your car that you don't post.
nah no power shift..oh wait..you're telling me burnouts do not hurt the tranny right? only when you shift u do..and u only burnout in 1st anyway...that has nothing to do w/ 2nd gear.
your whole defense is you only abuse 1st gear and your 2nd gear failing has NOTHING to do w/ 1st gear burn outs.
up to 99...doesn't that mean including 99? ok whatever u think.
like i said..the car is a rolling piece of crap. it's all nissan fault. everyone should sell all their maxima because the car is a POS..right?
prepping? you're not going to do 1 last burn out on the pillows for old time sake b4 u sell it? you should already have the forsale sign up already.
ahhh so u do burnouts...no no that's NOT abuse WHAT SO EVER!
your burnout may or may not contribute to your 2nd gear going. but what did u do to break the 2nd gear? and don't say you were granny shifting and all of the sudden the entire gear just all lost it. because you had to physically break it. if u do slip or do certain destructive things it will wear out slowly. but it takes a lot to totally destroy the gear. i don't know what other BS u do w/ your car that you don't post.
nah no power shift..oh wait..you're telling me burnouts do not hurt the tranny right? only when you shift u do..and u only burnout in 1st anyway...that has nothing to do w/ 2nd gear.
your whole defense is you only abuse 1st gear and your 2nd gear failing has NOTHING to do w/ 1st gear burn outs.
up to 99...doesn't that mean including 99? ok whatever u think.
like i said..the car is a rolling piece of crap. it's all nissan fault. everyone should sell all their maxima because the car is a POS..right?
prepping? you're not going to do 1 last burn out on the pillows for old time sake b4 u sell it? you should already have the forsale sign up already.
Eric.. you don't have a leg to stand on.. and i don't know why you keep making these posts.. quite frankly if i was a nissan executive i would file a defamation lawsuit against you.. because you are brining down the name of Nissan Corporation over you own negligence...
The kid with the VW got in trouble over a dealership and I wouldn’t be surprised if a Nissan exec was not reading this right now or all your other stories. If I were you I would quit while I am ahead, because quite frankly posts like these are turning people away from buying Nissan Motor Vehicles and they could take you to court over this issue.
The kid with the VW got in trouble over a dealership and I wouldn’t be surprised if a Nissan exec was not reading this right now or all your other stories. If I were you I would quit while I am ahead, because quite frankly posts like these are turning people away from buying Nissan Motor Vehicles and they could take you to court over this issue.
Originally posted by ericdwong
You've heard all my stories, believe me I got nothing to hide. Whats this about defense and stuff? What am I defending? I acknowledge 2nd gear broke, and its probbly from sprited driving with my added equipment. Once again you beat around the bush saying I'm trying to play the blame game. My blame here is the engineers and productions crew who made it hard and expensive as ***** to repair the gears. Notice the title of the thread...
As for the pillows, whats the difference between that and burning out in the burnout box? Infact its probbly easier on the car to do it on pillows (after all you gotta sit/sleep on them, not asphault) then it is on the asphault.
Still waiting to hear where I posted I never abuse my car... use the search function...... see what you come up with.
You've heard all my stories, believe me I got nothing to hide. Whats this about defense and stuff? What am I defending? I acknowledge 2nd gear broke, and its probbly from sprited driving with my added equipment. Once again you beat around the bush saying I'm trying to play the blame game. My blame here is the engineers and productions crew who made it hard and expensive as ***** to repair the gears. Notice the title of the thread...
As for the pillows, whats the difference between that and burning out in the burnout box? Infact its probbly easier on the car to do it on pillows (after all you gotta sit/sleep on them, not asphault) then it is on the asphault.
Still waiting to hear where I posted I never abuse my car... use the search function...... see what you come up with.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=83443
Spinning tires in the rain is very easy on the transmission. Driving with mcdonalds trays on the back tires also isnt hard on the car.....
you bought a mass produced car that was about 20-26K range..did u want titanium parts?
honda trannies and toyota trannies have the same cast set up?
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Originally posted by SprintMax
Eric.. you don't have a leg to stand on.. and i don't know why you keep making these posts.. quite frankly if i was a nissan executive i would file a defamation lawsuit against you.. because you are brining down the name of Nissan Corporation over you own negligence...
The kid with the VW got in trouble over a dealership and I wouldn’t be surprised if a Nissan exec was not reading this right now or all your other stories. If I were you I would quit while I am ahead, because quite frankly posts like these are turning people away from buying Nissan Motor Vehicles and they could take you to court over this issue.
Eric.. you don't have a leg to stand on.. and i don't know why you keep making these posts.. quite frankly if i was a nissan executive i would file a defamation lawsuit against you.. because you are brining down the name of Nissan Corporation over you own negligence...
The kid with the VW got in trouble over a dealership and I wouldn’t be surprised if a Nissan exec was not reading this right now or all your other stories. If I were you I would quit while I am ahead, because quite frankly posts like these are turning people away from buying Nissan Motor Vehicles and they could take you to court over this issue.
Its not my fault they cant engineer or build their cars well and it shows in the amount of sales of the cars. I hope they do sue me, then I can have the luxury of telling the world that I took on Nissan motors in court and if I won that would be even better. And I would have a great chance of winning because slander does not hold up if things are not true. And they make poorly engineered cars and that is the truth.
OK so my negligence is why in model year 2000 Toyota sold 423,000 Camrys, Honda sold 405,000 Accords, but Nissan sold 137,000 Altimas and another 129,000 Maximas.
Source- www.forbes.com
If you add the two numbers in Altima and Maxima it STILL does not come close to topping Accord OR Camry and thats for the sales of TWO completely different and priced cars! so that will account for both the v6 and 4 cyl market in the midsize car segment on Nissan's part. We'll have to see how 2002 does. According to msncarpoint, in 2001 the Accord finally is outselling the Camry, after Camry dominated for the last 4 years. Nissan has yet to dominate anything with any of their vehicles. Take a WILD guess on WHY that is.
Its also not my fault Consumer Reports readers for sales and leasing of the dealers ranked Nissan SECOND FROM DEAD LAST. Source April 2001 Consumer Reports, Page 6.
Its also not my fault 95-96 Maxima's are so structurally weak IIHS are called the car "OVERALL EVALUATION: POOR Despite acceptable structural performance in the frontal offset crash test, there were major problems including footwell intrusion and significant forward movement of the seat because of track failure. In addition, this is one of the few cars the Institute tested with poor injury measures on both lower legs. "
Source, Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/95012.htm
Even for model year 2000, the Maxima remains "Lowest Rated in CATEGORY: MIDSIZE MODERATELY PRICED CARS, CURRENT MODELS"
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/95012.htm#5
It's also not my fault the resale value of these cars is so bad a 1998 TOYOTA CAMRY has about the same resale value as a comparably equipped and located 1998 Infiniti I30.
Source- Kelly Blue Book, www.kbb.com (you gotta plug in the numbers)
Wanna play any more of "its not my fault"? I can go on and on. Anything else you say is slander? Any other legs I don't have to stand on? You can't argue with the facts.
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Originally posted by DanNY
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=83443
ez on the tranny? you're saying that doing those things shouldn't effect the tranny.
you bought a mass produced car that was about 20-26K range..did u want titanium parts?
honda trannies and toyota trannies have the same cast set up?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=83443
ez on the tranny? you're saying that doing those things shouldn't effect the tranny.
you bought a mass produced car that was about 20-26K range..did u want titanium parts?
honda trannies and toyota trannies have the same cast set up?
You're missing the point on the cast vs. forged setup. Infact the gears on the Maxima mainshafts are indeed FORGED. This is why the gear on the mainshaft only chipped teeth where as the CAST gear on the input shaft was completely stripped.
As for the trays the biggest thing that can do is flat spot the tires, but even still tires arent transmission related. And when in the rain, that further takes away stress.
if you were a nice old lady living in maine with these problems i could side with you.. but the fact that every other one of your posts.. its ither you abusing your car or you blaming nissan about there crappy cars.. I really don't know how you can't grasp the concept.. its a family sedan.. it was not made for you to be doing burn outs and what not with it. It was never designed for you to lower it or for you to put the additional modifications on it.. you tampered with the original car and you are not driving in the manner in which it was created..
the maxima was made for the family with the mother and father going to the store to get groceries.. not for you and your dumb friends to take it to a parking lot and see how high you can get the smoke to rise.. you see now why this wouldn't hold up in court?
the maxima was made for the family with the mother and father going to the store to get groceries.. not for you and your dumb friends to take it to a parking lot and see how high you can get the smoke to rise.. you see now why this wouldn't hold up in court?
my question is...
why didn't u see all this BEFORE you bought the car?
if nissan $ucks...they why did u buy one?!?!
what were u thinking when u decide to sign for this car? good bang for buck? roomy? good power? MPG? what did u think about the car before u owned it.
why didn't u see all this BEFORE you bought the car?
if nissan $ucks...they why did u buy one?!?!
what were u thinking when u decide to sign for this car? good bang for buck? roomy? good power? MPG? what did u think about the car before u owned it.
Originally posted by ericdwong
I hope to god Nissan is reading this post along with all my other posts. Then they would hopefully start making their cars better.
Its not my fault they cant engineer or build their cars well and it shows in the amount of sales of the cars. I hope they do sue me, then I can have the luxury of telling the world that I took on Nissan motors in court and if I won that would be even better. And I would have a great chance of winning because slander does not hold up if things are not true. And they make poorly engineered cars and that is the truth.
OK so my negligence is why in model year 2000 Toyota sold 423,000 Camrys, Honda sold 405,000 Accords, but Nissan sold 137,000 Altimas and another 129,000 Maximas.
Source- www.forbes.com
If you add the two numbers in Altima and Maxima it STILL does not come close to topping Accord OR Camry and thats for the sales of TWO completely different and priced cars! so that will account for both the v6 and 4 cyl market in the midsize car segment on Nissan's part. We'll have to see how 2002 does. According to msncarpoint, in 2001 the Accord finally is outselling the Camry, after Camry dominated for the last 4 years. Nissan has yet to dominate anything with any of their vehicles. Take a WILD guess on WHY that is.
Its also not my fault Consumer Reports readers for sales and leasing of the dealers ranked Nissan SECOND FROM DEAD LAST. Source April 2001 Consumer Reports, Page 6.
Its also not my fault 95-96 Maxima's are so structurally weak IIHS are called the car "OVERALL EVALUATION: POOR Despite acceptable structural performance in the frontal offset crash test, there were major problems including footwell intrusion and significant forward movement of the seat because of track failure. In addition, this is one of the few cars the Institute tested with poor injury measures on both lower legs. "
Source, Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/95012.htm
Even for model year 2000, the Maxima remains "Lowest Rated in CATEGORY: MIDSIZE MODERATELY PRICED CARS, CURRENT MODELS"
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/95012.htm#5
It's also not my fault the resale value of these cars is so bad a 1998 TOYOTA CAMRY has about the same resale value as a comparably equipped and located 1998 Infiniti I30.
Source- Kelly Blue Book, www.kbb.com (you gotta plug in the numbers)
Wanna play any more of "its not my fault"? I can go on and on. Anything else you say is slander? Any other legs I don't have to stand on? You can't argue with the facts.
I hope to god Nissan is reading this post along with all my other posts. Then they would hopefully start making their cars better.
Its not my fault they cant engineer or build their cars well and it shows in the amount of sales of the cars. I hope they do sue me, then I can have the luxury of telling the world that I took on Nissan motors in court and if I won that would be even better. And I would have a great chance of winning because slander does not hold up if things are not true. And they make poorly engineered cars and that is the truth.
OK so my negligence is why in model year 2000 Toyota sold 423,000 Camrys, Honda sold 405,000 Accords, but Nissan sold 137,000 Altimas and another 129,000 Maximas.
Source- www.forbes.com
If you add the two numbers in Altima and Maxima it STILL does not come close to topping Accord OR Camry and thats for the sales of TWO completely different and priced cars! so that will account for both the v6 and 4 cyl market in the midsize car segment on Nissan's part. We'll have to see how 2002 does. According to msncarpoint, in 2001 the Accord finally is outselling the Camry, after Camry dominated for the last 4 years. Nissan has yet to dominate anything with any of their vehicles. Take a WILD guess on WHY that is.
Its also not my fault Consumer Reports readers for sales and leasing of the dealers ranked Nissan SECOND FROM DEAD LAST. Source April 2001 Consumer Reports, Page 6.
Its also not my fault 95-96 Maxima's are so structurally weak IIHS are called the car "OVERALL EVALUATION: POOR Despite acceptable structural performance in the frontal offset crash test, there were major problems including footwell intrusion and significant forward movement of the seat because of track failure. In addition, this is one of the few cars the Institute tested with poor injury measures on both lower legs. "
Source, Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/95012.htm
Even for model year 2000, the Maxima remains "Lowest Rated in CATEGORY: MIDSIZE MODERATELY PRICED CARS, CURRENT MODELS"
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/95012.htm#5
It's also not my fault the resale value of these cars is so bad a 1998 TOYOTA CAMRY has about the same resale value as a comparably equipped and located 1998 Infiniti I30.
Source- Kelly Blue Book, www.kbb.com (you gotta plug in the numbers)
Wanna play any more of "its not my fault"? I can go on and on. Anything else you say is slander? Any other legs I don't have to stand on? You can't argue with the facts.