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Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:01 PM
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Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:04 PM
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if you were a nice old lady living in maine with these problems i could side with you.. but the fact that every other one of your posts.. its ither you abusing your car or you blaming nissan about there crappy cars.. I really don't know how you can't grasp the concept.. its a family sedan.. it was not made for you to be doing burn outs and what not with it. It was never designed for you to lower it or for you to put the additional modifications on it.. you tampered with the original car and you are not driving in the manner in which it was created..

the maxima was made for the family with the mother and father going to the store to get groceries.. not for you and your dumb friends to take it to a parking lot and see how high you can get the smoke to rise.. you see now why this wouldn't hold up in court?
Of course it wouldnt hold up in court, for all the reasons I just listed up above that makes their cars a crappy car and I have the proof to back it up. There are reasons why Nissan has never been number one in their sales. Just goes to show the average grocery go getting mom doesnt care that the vq30 has been in wards top 10 engines for the past 7 years.

And for the 15th time I never blame nissan for making a breaking car (even though the diff. bearings WERE their fault), I blame them for POORLY DESIGNING the car.
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but whats funny is.. the car is fine for others .. users and non-abusers.. Delio has 10 PSI on his.. Kevin has 11 PSI on his.. Loren has 10 PSI on his, Brett has 9 PSI on his, I have 100 shot on mine, thomas has 100 shot on his, synki has 100 shot on his, matt has 100 shot on his, other matt had 100 shot on his, don has 100 shot on his..

and here you are.. with some simple modifications and you are having problems.. you see something wrong here? again this is the crack head syndrome "its not my fault" how many times can you say you have mishifted in your life?

i think you are just a sucky driver or you got one bad one in the bunch.. to be honest with you

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Of course it wouldnt hold up in court, for all the reasons I just listed up above that makes their cars a crappy car and I have the proof to back it up. There are reasons why Nissan has never been number one in their sales. Just goes to show the average grocery go getting mom doesnt care that the vq30 has been in wards top 10 engines for the past 7 years.

And for the 15th time I never blame nissan for designing a breaking car (even though the diff. bearings WERE their fault), I blame them for POORLY DESIGNING the car.
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:11 PM
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my question is...
why didn't u see all this BEFORE you bought the car?
if nissan $ucks...they why did u buy one?!?!

what were u thinking when u decide to sign for this car? good bang for buck? roomy? good power? MPG? what did u think about the car before u owned it.


You're right I shoulda researched more, however a car is like a chic. Beauty is only skin deep, once you actually live with the car/girl, then all the darker sides start to show. A test drive isnt going to show all the downfalls of the car that surface later.

I bought into the advertising and hype that this car was distinct and one of a kind. Being a former Camry driver I knew what to look for in a FWD 4 door (or so I thought). I guess it was hard to top the expectations when going from the #1 selling car in america for 4 years straight to something lesser.
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Originally posted by ericdwong


I fail to see in that post where I said "I never abuse[d] the car".

You're missing the point on the cast vs. forged setup. Infact the gears on the Maxima mainshafts are indeed FORGED. This is why the gear on the mainshaft only chipped teeth where as the CAST gear on the input shaft was completely stripped.

As for the trays the biggest thing that can do is flat spot the tires, but even still tires arent transmission related. And when in the rain, that further takes away stress.
honda and toyota trannies have the same cast set up...y or n?

i do see the point of cast vs forged. i'm asking if toyota and honda uses the same set up on their trannies or not.

ok tires...not related to tranny..rain..no problem..whatever u say man..you're 100% correct..i'm 0% correct. i'm wrong here. you're totally correct. nissan should fire all their engineers. shoot the guy who hired them. hire people like u and other engineers to make a new car. burn down the factory that made the maxima and re tool everything. import/hire nasa engineers and have them research gears and related components..send the part to the moon to see if they can withstand the cold and the zero gravity. have them run 100000 test w/ pillows and trays under the wheels and etc to see if it can withstand the power and fire retardency (if that's a word)... and finally when they are done w/ the car give u one for free since you been through sooo much pain and suffering from this current POS car that you deserve this...of course the trunk will be filled w/ $100 dollar bills just because you're a great guy.

how does that sound?

you fail to see lots of point..but that's another issue.
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ARE TOYOTA 5-SPS BUILT AND DIFFERENT IN DESIGN THAN NISSAN 5-SPS?
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
ARE TOYOTA 5-SPS BUILT AND DIFFERENT IN DESIGN THAN NISSAN 5-SPS?
that's my question.
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:14 PM
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ARE TOYOTA 5-SPS BUILT AND DIFFERENT IN DESIGN THAN NISSAN 5-SPS?
obviously not.. Supra's have to have SP rebuild them for higher boost.. so obviously they are not bullet proof ither
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Originally posted by ericdwong


You're right I shoulda researched more, however a car is like a chic. Beauty is only skin deep, once you actually live with the car/girl, then all the darker sides start to show. A test drive isnt going to show all the downfalls of the car that surface later.

I bought into the advertising and hype that this car was distinct and one of a kind. Being a former Camry driver I knew what to look for in a FWD 4 door (or so I thought). I guess it was hard to top the expectations when going from the #1 selling car in america for 4 years straight to something lesser.
well look at all the written material that you dug up...you didn't have to own/drive the maxima to know what you were up against. did u want to live w/ it to see how good/bad it really was?
you're right a test drive won't show anything....but from what all the reviews and what people wrote that you found..the max should've been your LAST choice.

if u knew the camry was sooo good why did u go to the max? was it price? something different? etc etc?
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Originally posted by SprintMax
obviously not.. Supra's have to have SP rebuild them for higher boost.. so obviously they are not bullet proof ither
you are wrong!! toyotas are the best cars in the world!!
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
but whats funny is.. the car is fine for others .. users and non-abusers.. Delio has 10 PSI on his.. Kevin has 11 PSI on his.. Loren has 10 PSI on his, Brett has 9 PSI on his, I have 100 shot on mine, thomas has 100 shot on his, synki has 100 shot on his, matt has 100 shot on his, other matt had 100 shot on his, don has 100 shot on his..

and here you are.. with some simple modifications and you are having problems.. you see something wrong here? again this is the crack head syndrome "its not my fault" how many times can you say you have mishifted in your life?

i think you are just a sucky driver or you got one bad one in the bunch.. to be honest with you

I'll repeat myself one more time, when did I EVER say I didnt abuse my car. I do drive it hard, yes, but its also NOT out of the realm of possibility I may have gotten a lousy transmission, yes?

If you want to start naming people, what about those with the diff. carrier bearing problems? That one my fault?

There is also another factor as owner satisfaction as well. What may be fine for others may not be fine for me. So far this owner hasnt been exactly too satisfied.
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
obviously not.. Supra's have to have SP rebuild them for higher boost.. so obviously they are not bullet proof ither
Guess what the Supra engine is built by the same company that builds the viper engine. This isnt even a good example here, as you even say they gotta rebuild them for higher boost...and you know as well as I those Supras can put out much more power then most maximas around can.
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since woody is being scare i will do woodear style..

Originally posted by ericdwong


I'll repeat myself one more time, when did I EVER say I didnt abuse my car. I do drive it hard, yes, but its also NOT out of the realm of possibility I may have gotten a lousy transmission, yes?
well no.. you are being stupid.... you are saying.. yes i do use crack.. but its not my fault that I OD'ed.. the crack manufactuer should make the crack so i can never OD and use only a certain amount at a time..

Originally posted by ericdwong
If you want to start naming people, what about those with the diff. carrier bearing problems? That one my fault?
most of the people here who's tranny failed said they did miss 2nd to 3rd a couple times.. so they ARE blaming themselves.. not NISSAN.. they don't have "crack head syndrome"



Originally posted by ericdwong
There is also another factor as owner satisfaction as well. What may be fine for others may not be fine for me. So far this owner hasnt been exactly too satisfied.
you can't be satisified with something you broke.. YOU BROKE IT.. NOT NISSAN.. get that through your thick little 105lbs frame.. its YOUR FAULT.. you are one of those people who buy a toy.. break it.. and take it back .. and says its the manufactures fault.. i see your kind everyday..
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
ARE TOYOTA 5-SPS BUILT AND DIFFERENT IN DESIGN THAN NISSAN 5-SPS?
I dont know about the newer ones but yes they are designed similar. In my 1990 Camry FSM, all the gears (except for the output shaft that drives the final drive/differential) can be removed from the shaft, incase you blow a gear.

But similar is a loose word. I can say a Dodge Viper is similar to a Geo Metro. They both got doors, windshield, 4 wheels, they turn and they go from point A to point B.
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I dont know about the newer ones but yes they are designed similar. In my 1990 Camry FSM, all the gears (except for the output shaft that drives the final drive/differential) can be removed from the shaft, incase you blow a gear.
*golf clap*

Originally posted by ericdwong

But similar is a loose word. I can say a Dodge Viper is similar to a Geo Metro. They both got doors, windshield, 4 wheels, they turn and they go from point A to point B.
don't be stupid eric you know damn well jeff means the 5spd Camry and the 5spd Maxima..
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Originally posted by SprintMax
since woody is being scare i will do woodear style..

well no.. you are being stupid.... you are saying.. yes i do use crack.. but its not my fault that I OD'ed.. the crack manufactuer should make the crack so i can never OD and use only a certain amount at a time..

most of the people here who's tranny failed said they did miss 2nd to 3rd a couple times.. so they ARE blaming themselves.. not NISSAN.. they don't have "crack head syndrome"

you can't be satisified with something you broke.. YOU BROKE IT.. NOT NISSAN.. get that through your thick little 105lbs frame.. its YOUR FAULT.. you are one of those people who buy a toy.. break it.. and take it back .. and says its the manufactures fault.. i see your kind everyday..
OK now that you're referring to personal attack it shows just how much you can argue to the point. Abusing the car or not still doesnt change the fact the car rattles and squeeks, has a non independent rear, the paint chips, the resale sucks, the crash test results suck, etc etc etc etc. Do you see any other forums around here that have "a Minima Club of America?" (aka, my car sux club)?

Just because you're Maxima obsessed and do this day in and day out and have over 8000 posts and Im raggin on your car with facts and figures you're gettin all upset about it. Keep driving your car, when you go to trade it in/sell it we'll see who has the last laugh.
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Originally posted by ericdwong


Guess what the Supra engine is built by the same company that builds the viper engine. This isnt even a good example here, as you even say they gotta rebuild them for higher boost...and you know as well as I those Supras can put out much more power then most maximas around can.
who is talking about engines.. i thought we were talkign about trannies?
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Are Toyota 5-sps any STRONGER than Nissan 5-sps?

Thanks sprite! Eric's last part was just a little off the Michael Jackson's wall.

Originally posted by ericdwong


I dont know about the newer ones but yes they are designed similar. In my 1990 Camry FSM, all the gears (except for the output shaft that drives the final drive/differential) can be removed from the shaft, incase you blow a gear.

But similar is a loose word. I can say a Dodge Viper is similar to a Geo Metro. They both got doors, windshield, 4 wheels, they turn and they go from point A to point B.
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
who is talking about engines.. i thought we were talkign about trannies?

Ooops, typo. I meant Viper transmission.
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OK now that you're referring to personal attack it shows just how much you can argue to the point. Abusing the car or not still doesnt change the fact the car rattles and squeeks, has a non independent rear, the paint chips, the resale sucks, the crash test results suck, etc etc etc etc. Do you see any other forums around here that have "a Minima Club of America?" (aka, my car sux club)?
hey if you want to ***** about the interior of the car.. thats fine.. we have legitimate claims by more than 1 member about rattles, squeaks.. paint chips.. resale.. ITS MORE THAN ONE MEMBER.. no one every *****ed about the rear.. some of us actually like the rear beam.. but you are the only one *****ing about the build component of nissan transmissions.. hey.. i am over 10 automotive boards.. you go to the Acura TL board you will find over 10 members *****ing about Transmission failure on BONE STOCK TL-S .. yes.. BONE STOCK... and no they don't abuse their cars like you... VW .. all those boards.. same story.. but its ONLY YOU ERIC.. ONLY YOU..



Originally posted by ericdwong


Just because you're Maxima obsessed and do this day in and day out and have over 8000 posts and Im raggin on your car with facts and figures you're gettin all upset about it. Keep driving your car, when you go to trade it in/sell it we'll see who has the last laugh.
oh yeah.. come on Eric .. bring my post count into it to defend your flaws and problems.. thats great.. Eric.. i shall forever follow you to ANY BOARD you join.. when you complain about problems with your new car.. I WILL BE THERE to bring up these posts.. everytime your new car acts up.. I WILL BE THERE.. call me your gaurdian angel.. i am stuck to you forever like glue eric.. i am behind you always
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
Are Toyota 5-sps any STRONGER than Nissan 5-sps?


Theoretically yes, because a forged gear is stronger then a cast shaft. But I do not have any figures to back this up.
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i am behind you always
You are a f a g aren't you!

Is that how you sign your Christmas cards?
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You are a *** aren't you!

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you just leave your wife when you come to dinner
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hey if you want to ***** about the interior of the car.. thats fine.. we have legitimate claims by more than 1 member about rattles, squeaks.. paint chips.. resale.. ITS MORE THAN ONE MEMBER.. no one every *****ed about the rear.. some of us actually like the rear beam.. but you are the only one *****ing about the build component of nissan transmissions.. hey.. i am over 10 automotive boards.. you go to the Acura TL board you will find over 10 members *****ing about Transmission failure on BONE STOCK TL-S .. yes.. BONE STOCK... and no they don't abuse their cars like you... VW .. all those boards.. same story.. but its ONLY YOU ERIC.. ONLY YOU..
Because I have a keen eye in observing flaws and because I've done the dirty work of rebuilding my own transmission, yes maybe I am pretty distinctive. Its when you actually start working on your car and others then you can realize "hey wait- this design wasnt as good as Toyota/Hondas/GMs/Ford's design...". Do you even do any of your own work, or are you the type of guy who cant change the oil and you get the guy down the block at jiffy lube to do the work for you?


oh yeah.. come on Eric .. bring my post count into it to defend your flaws and problems.. thats great.. Eric.. i shall forever follow you to ANY BOARD you join.. when you complain about problems with your new car.. I WILL BE THERE to bring up these posts.. everytime your new car acts up.. I WILL BE THERE.. call me your gaurdian angel.. i am stuck to you forever like glue eric.. i am behind you always
Bring it on. It sounds like I hit a sensitive spot. Its obvious you love your car dearly. My flaws and problems huh? Seems like it would be most maxima owners flaws and problems. My transmission point is only another point in addition to my dozen or so complaints about maximas and nissans in general. Go ahead, follow me to the BMW forums, as Im making sure I'm making the right decision this time unlike the last time. Tell all the members my stories cause I probably will too. If you ever were at the Camry forums I also posted crazy stories. Ask them, some of the members will remember. www.camryman.org
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Because I have a keen eye in observing flaws and because I've done the dirty work of rebuilding my own transmission, yes maybe I am pretty distinctive. Its when you actually start working on your car and others then you can realize "hey wait- this design wasnt as good as Toyota/Hondas/GMs/Ford's design...". Do you even do any of your own work, or are you the type of guy who cant change the oil and you get the guy down the block at jiffy lube to do the work for you?




Bring it on. It sounds like I hit a sensitive spot. Its obvious you love your car dearly. My flaws and problems huh? Seems like it would be most maxima owners flaws and problems. My transmission point is only another point in addition to my dozen or so complaints about maximas and nissans in general. Go ahead, follow me to the BMW forums, as Im making sure I'm making the right decision this time unlike the last time. Tell all the members my stories cause I probably will too. If you ever were at the Camry forums I also posted crazy stories. Ask them, some of the members will remember. www.camryman.org

Eric why do u complain about everyhting?? u complain about a car that u SHOULNDN'T HAVE BOUGHT ... you complain about your RACE... u complain... just stop it.. sheesh.. im still ****ed at you because you no longer want to be "ASAIN"..yes i remeber that post.. stop complaining and get plastic surgery and get a new fawking car...
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Why is it that you are the only person that continously has a problem with your car?
ya i noticed that too.
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Calm down Sprint....I said doug, not Darren.


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Re: Another fine example of nissan's fine engineering

Originally posted by ericdwong
I was pressing apart my internal transmission parts yesterday when I came to the realization that this project isnt gonna be as easy as it seems. For those of you who know the internal parts of the 5 speed, I wrung 2nd gear completely off the input shaft side, so this was what broke first. On the mainshaft side there are just a few teeth missing.

Thanks to Nissan's brilliant engineers, they decided to make 1st, reverse AND second gear all integrated onto the input shaft. Cost cutting at its greatest again. So, this means I have to replace the ENTIRE input shaft, as well as press off all the bearings, gears and synchros and parts from the old shaft onto the new. Another reason this is lousy engineering is because the input shaft is so complex, this would have had to have been a cast part, as a forged part would have been mucho dinero. This also explains why I wrung 2nd gear completely clean off the input shaft side because cast is structurally weaker then the forged gear on the other side. Forged is stronger because it is less likely to has stress risers and cause fractures. Forged is where you start with a solid block of steel and then machine it into whatever it is you're making where as a cast part is where there is a mould for the part, and liquid steel is poured into the mould .

This also means if anybody wanted to change the gear ratio's of 2nd, 1st or reverse, it will be VERY expensive.

I still dont know what to do, just try to rebuild this guy or just go out and get another transmission as this gives me another reason to add to my "get rid of car" list.

Lesson is, if you're putting in a Quaife differential or you need to rebuild your transmission, DEFINATELY cryo treat the internal transmission parts, especially the input shaft.
You wouldn't understand good engineering if it fell on your head. Nissan's engineers did what they were told to do: reduce part count and cost. That is a universal design challenge posed to engineers in every product made for competitive markets.
You think it's poor engineering only because it is harder for you to fix. Well, whatever way you broke it, it wasn't expected to break before fulfilling it's designed lifetime. It wasn't designed to be rebuilt by a mod-happy enthusiast. It was designed for a mass-market.
Automotive parts are tested for durability under very extreme conditions that wouldn't be encountered by anyone under normal use. In your case, the transmission most likely suffered abuse from your driving. How can you not expect that to increase the likelihood of a failure?
The failure of the gears in your transmission is probably an isolated case. It could be an extremely rare quality problem, not a problem resulting from the design.
One last thing: the input shaft and gears were most likely forged together, not cast. Your reasons for thinking it is cast are invalid. Your explanation of the forging process is also wrong. Forging is not just machining; if it was, it would be called "machining". The metal is formed to a near net shape, and then the gears are cut with precision.
None of this is a personal attack, I just wanted to clear up some things. If you fix the tranny, I hope it goes with minimal pain and frustration.
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Originally posted by SprintMax
but whats funny is.. the car is fine for others .. users and non-abusers.. Delio has 10 PSI on his.. Kevin has 11 PSI on his.. Loren has 10 PSI on his, Brett has 9 PSI on his, I have 100 shot on mine, thomas has 100 shot on his, synki has 100 shot on his, matt has 100 shot on his, other matt had 100 shot on his, don has 100 shot on his..

and here you are.. with some simple modifications and you are having problems.. you see something wrong here? again this is the crack head syndrome "its not my fault" how many times can you say you have mishifted in your life?

i think you are just a sucky driver or you got one bad one in the bunch.. to be honest with you

i had a 100shot too on my old car with no VB sucker held up good.
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Re: Re: Another fine example of nissan's fine engineering

Jeff, stop letting the facts get in the way.

Eric D. Wong, in case you haven't figured it out, I'll make it crystal clear for you. You HAVE abused your car. You personally are responsible for breaking something that NOT ONE OTHER PERSON has somehow broken. Seeing as though you are the ONLY person that has done it, that would mean that it was Nissan's bad design that ****ed it up, its your driving that did it in. Doesn't take a genius to see this.

I'm guaranteeing that a week from now, when you no longer post here, people won't ask, "Where is Eric D. Wong?" Why? Because you have provided NOTHING but complaints about EVERYTHING in virtually EVERY post you put on this board. Notice that not one person that has posted on this thread has backed up anything you have said.


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You wouldn't understand good engineering if it fell on your head. Nissan's engineers did what they were told to do: reduce part count and cost. That is a universal design challenge posed to engineers in every product made for competitive markets.
You think it's poor engineering only because it is harder for you to fix. Well, whatever way you broke it, it wasn't expected to break before fulfilling it's designed lifetime. It wasn't designed to be rebuilt by a mod-happy enthusiast. It was designed for a mass-market.
Automotive parts are tested for durability under very extreme conditions that wouldn't be encountered by anyone under normal use. In your case, the transmission most likely suffered abuse from your driving. How can you not expect that to increase the likelihood of a failure?
The failure of the gears in your transmission is probably an isolated case. It could be an extremely rare quality problem, not a problem resulting from the design.
One last thing: the input shaft and gears were most likely forged together, not cast. Your reasons for thinking it is cast are invalid. Your explanation of the forging process is also wrong. Forging is not just machining; if it was, it would be called "machining". The metal is formed to a near net shape, and then the gears are cut with precision.
None of this is a personal attack, I just wanted to clear up some things. If you fix the tranny, I hope it goes with minimal pain and frustration.
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oh dear heavens........i'm trying to remember if medic has a "free flame" or not......
Old Dec 17, 2001 | 03:29 PM
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