Craig Mack

And maybe the fact that they can redline.

Greg's2kGLE

True, but I can redline (if I manually shift )

d_98SE

No one doubted the extra 33hp/29lb-ft the 3.5 put out. Now i can just see cl-s owners with their panties in tighter wads than before.

On a side note a few cl-s owner's have vehmently denied that an auto can't do 14's let's see what they have to say now.

dmbmaxima2k2

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ya but the trannies are WAY better too. i'm sure theyare loosing way less at the wheels.

Dave B

I just hope the tranny can hold the power. I'm pretty certain it's the same automagic, but it's been beefed up a little for the torque (trannies are rated at torque, not hp).

I love shifting, but I would really like to get a torquey crusier automatic. I'd like to have the luxury of a GLE. Get a cone intake, springs, B-pipe, y-pipe (?), and nice 17s. If I could run 14.5-14.7, I'd be happy (my track seems to be slower). I will be getting a project car which will either be a 5.0 or a 240SX. The project car will be a manual.

I'm jealous of you guys that getto run in this cold weather. My track closes in early November and unfortunately we had a very warm fall. However, I found a track south of me that opens up on Feb 1st Maybe I can make some runs in weather cooler than mid 70s this time


Dave

dmbmaxima2k2

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ya those cooler temps will definetly make a difference. and i hope they beefed up the tranny alot.

deezo

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Nissan has beefed up the tranny.

Loe max

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They still deny that the 2k2 can beat them. Some people just can't handle the truth

dmbmaxima2k2

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but yo they have nav man and nav buts them way into the 13's and then with cai and headers that's 12's and once that comptech S/C piece comes out it's all over with man. i'll be going 11 seconds till my ****ty tranny blows.

d_98SE

Talking about tranny's is Acura making glass trannies.I am willing to bet that tranny is the most used word at acura-cl.com.

bigbadboss101

If you look at cl.com, there is a section strictly for broken trannies. At Edmunds there are a lot of posts on CLS/TLS problems. Some guy said his was a POS and told people not to buy.

Nevertheless, the car is fast, stylish, and was my second choice beside the 6 speed Max. I do like beating CLS/TLS on the street, and then giving the drive the death stare. Double whammy!!

PeterUbers

I'm curious what elevation and temps you ran that time at.

thanx

Sprint

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oh its Peter my fav unbiased TL Forum Member

PeterUbers

Hmm... I'm not sure I know who you are -- but, if you're being sarcastic, let's have the record show you are instigating something I'm not getting into.

My previous question stands.

d_98SE

Welcome to the board Mr Peterubers.From the way things are going i can see that you are getting well aquainted with Sprintmax.Pray hard that you don't encounter one Russmaxmaniac.

Loe max

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Sprint

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I am doug on the TL board.. i don't post much but i read alot.. and yes your opinions are un-bais

PeterUbers

Hey Doug,

Thanks, I think I'm a Max lover, in fact, in a couple years, when the Isuzu Rodeo goes over 100K miles, I'm in for the 6-spd Maxima. I like the TL-S a lot, but I'm not a fan of the auto transmission. It leaves a LOT to be desired. The 6-spd Max wasn't out when I went in on the TL-S. If Acura comes out w/ a TL-S outfitted w/ the 6-spd, it'll be a toss up. I recently test-drove the 3.5 Alty 5-spd .. loved the power and the idiot-proof clutch .. however, it was loud, many things rattled, the interior was cheesy. There was significant wheel hop under hard acceleration also .. it was rather unsettling (the whole front end shook like crazy!) I still loved it. I prefer the Altima's rear end to the Maxima's..

I've been a Maxima lover since I drove in a friend's '88 Max, so I hope no one confuses ANY of my posts for implying that the TL-S is a better car. There is more to the drive than just straightline performance, at least in a true car enthusiast's mind. However, when considering straightline performance, specifically at the track, many people fail to consider the altitude/humidity/pressure/temps... I'm curious what elevation fostered the 14.4 1/4-mile times.. Here in Illinois, my friend's stock M3 ('98 5-spd) managed a best of 14.6 in 60 degree weather with excellent track conditions.. of course we're at 4800ft.

Thanks for the welcome, I'm a long time lurker finally getting around to setting up my profile!

2K2THEMAX

As I said in a previous post, the temperature was cold - most likely in the 40's, maybe low 50's. Also we Southern Maxima owners have an advantage because we are near the Gulf and have low altitude. I would say the altitude is 250-300 ft above sea level.

Daniel

dmbmaxima2k2

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still a nice time, but those conditions aren't gonna get anybetter. we're gonna have trouble getting better times then his and mine. both were cold days.

Sprint

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I liked you more on the GS 400 posts .. i seen you smack down a couple dreaming TL members.. not particularly maxima posts got my attention

Sonic

Rochambeau.

Sprint

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Rumicue

Sonic

Cartman.

Sprint

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BingoBongo

dmbmaxima2k2

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****** ****** ******, yoru nothing but ******.

Sonic

Shaddup little ***** boy.

dmbmaxima2k2

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95maxrider

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That 14.44 made me a lot less ashamed of owning an auto...too bad I'll never make those kind of times.

PeterUbers

At least you ran that, think of it that way. I'll never be able to break 14.9 up here in IDEAL conditions (like 30 degree temps). There is a world of difference between our two elevations. I assume you ran your car w/ "tree-shifting" mode.. if I'm getting the terminology correct. I'm also guessing that an auto 2k2 max up here in my neck of the woods is gunna be running anywhere from 14.7 to 15.0.

The way I've extensively looked at it, the Max now has several advantages over the TL-S .. about 300lbs less weight, a four speed auto (probably quicker shifts) means less time lost to shifting that extra TL-S gear (this quality benefits the Buick Regal GS/Pontiac GTP in the exact same way .. both cars developing about 280ft-lbs of torque need those taller gears to keep the car pulling strong through the powerband), better rubber on the SE .. I read something about Potenza's, and your higher torque rating, and potentially lighter 17" rims. Further, the max probably puts more hp down to the wheels than the TL-S. But again, this just benefits the straightline performance. Cars rarely become noteworthy SIMPLY because of their straightline performance.

Yeah, people how talk about the GS400 being comparable to the TL-S are barking up the wrong tree and they deserve to be smacked. However, during some of the TL-S vs. pre-Max2k2 fueds on the TL-S board, I remember a few Max members stating that one of the positive attributes of the Maxima was that "it revved nothing short of a Ferrari" as stated in some C&D article. I thought that was pretty funny too (I'm directing that statement AT the few people who said that, not all maxima owners in general). So I said, well, power to you if you think you're driving a "ferrari" and wonder why you're not getting as many head turns as you'd like from drivers on the road!

dko

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i love my auto as much as the next guy, but let's get someone like theblue or briguymax in a 6spd, give 'em a week of practice and i'm sure we'll see just about 13's

dko

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Sprint

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6spd GXE? no such thing

dko

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the lightest possible 6spd is what i mean. i remember here were 4th gen gxe with a 5spd... so who knows.

Sprint

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only SE's get manual transmission for 2002

dko

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i plead ignorance on that one

PeterUbers

13's huh?

Pre-01 stock M3's rarely break the 14.0 barrier, and you're saying an '02 Max will? Uh-uh. I give credit where credit is due, and the max is a great car, but I refuse to believe that one until I see the guy's timeslip... you know, the guy who you taught to drive a 6-spd in 7 days... THAT guy!

dko

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take things people say with a grain of salt. I'm hyperbolizing, but I would say someone like theblue would lay down a damn good time. this isn't someone who has never driven stick before, just so you know. he pulled a 14.7 in the quarter in a bone stock 4th gen 5spd.

Stereodude

Yanking out the seats and the space isn't bone stock. But still I think the 13's are very possible.

Stereodude

dko

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theblue yanked the seats out? that's really only a 30-50 lb difference anyway though... trust me, I've had by back seats out a dozen times now. i can't imagine the fronts being much heavier.