As far as I know, the theBlue never made any runs completely bonestock. I believe his 14.7 run was with a catback and intake. Then he got the Y-pipe and ran 14.5s. Then the weahter got nice a cold, he pulled out his seats and ran a 14.2 something.


Dave

 

i'll just search or PM him.

 

dmb ran 14.3 in his 6 speed and this is the first manual car he's ever owned, right? pure driving experience can knock some time off of that.

about corrected times...the colder the air the faster the time right? but the higher the altitude, the faster the time? i dont know anything about this so ill believe whatever you tell me but logically i think it would be, higher altitude = faster time. the air is thinner up high. any baseball fans know the arguement that the Colorado Rockies have an advantage because their stadium is so much higher than others and the ball travels futher more easily. wouldnt it be the same for a car?

 

it's the other way around. the thing you are looking for is the biggest ammount of oxygen in the air. up high the air is thin and therefore a liter of air has less oxygen. down low it has more. gases also expand and contract quite a bit, so when it's 40 or 50 the density chages, allowing more oxygen per unit of air. that temperature is the optimum for the track; anything lower and traction suffers.

 

ahhh. okay i got it. i thought you all were saying altitude had an effect on the drag of the car. i didnt even think about oxygen for the car to use.

 

I have driven the 02 6 speed, and I think its entirely possible to run a 13.9 at a lower elevation track.

I ran a 14.715 with a stock 97 5 speed SE, and the 02 feels SO much faster!!

I expect that we will see a 13.9 second pass eventually.

 

and it will be from me in the spring. but i won't be stock then. at least an intake, hopefully a Y.

 

Like I have stated before, 14.2 is about the best you can hope for. I was directly behind you at the track Steve, and you had about the best launch you could have, so I really don't see where you can gain more than about .1 to .2 seconds.

 

You really need an intake and Y-pipe on your Max. Your 14.7 is very impressive bonestock (probably on of the best I've heard). I'm certain you opinion about the 02 feeling SO much faster would change once you add a y-pipe and intake. These two mods greatly enhance the above 40mph acceleration of the 4th gen. I've owned a few performance cars in my past and none of them reacted like my Max did to two simple bolt-ons.

As for a 13.9 in a 02. It's very possible with an intake, some smaller drag radials, sea level track, cold weather, and a brutal launch. Would it happen often? No way. Maybe one guy in this org will do it. The car does have the potential. Actually, any carthat can get 95mph in the 1/4 mile is capable of a 13.9 with a very hard launch (assuming you hook up). Will most 6 speed 02s be in the mid to upper 14s when spring and summer come around? Certainly. I think many people don't realize how much of an influence cold weather and low humidity plays in the performance of a relatively high compression motor like the VQ. For every 20 degree increase in temp and humidity (over 50 degrees), I've seen roughly a .15-.2 increase in et and -1mph in trap speed.



Dave

 

I know the temp does affect your times pretty noticably.

I believe the temp was 55-60 degrees when I ran the 14.715. The track elevation is around 500 feet.

I have also found that the gas I am running, even from station to station, affects the performance a bit. Even though I am running 93 octane.

 

well you could have a GXE with a tranny swap, right?

 

For the record, the track elevation at MMP is 170 ft above sea level.

 

yes

 

yup i'd say about a 14.2 on a cold day like i had. i launched the car almost perfect. i could get the 60ft down maybe to 2.0X's with the tires iom getting in the spring but that's about it. hold the shift longer will get higher trap speeds and maybe a 14.2

 

.1 off your 60ft is .2 off yoru 1/4 mile time.. sides.. i think that got rice? .. jeff k... delos.. could get a 1.9 out of steve's car.. i mean if Aaron eeked out a 1.9 in his car.. why wouldn't a 1.9 be hard out of steves car.. especially on Drag Radials or something

 

And....what if he does theblue method and takes out thr front seat, rear seats, spare etc.. 13's!!

 

rear bench and spare tire was out of the car

 

did theblue have the rear seat out too or just the front passenger seat? all this time i thought it was only the front seat.

 

how full was your tank?

 

1/4 tank or less. my car was track prepped and ready. i don't mess around. i even iced my intake plenum.

 

ah man, i was hoping you'd say full tank, left the spare in, and had some tools in your trunk so there would be easy room for improvement.

 

no like medic said there wasn't much room. maybe hold the shifts a little longer and a 2.0X 60ft time which will be VERY hard.

 

EXACTLY!!!!

It always annoys me when guys say, "oh, but I had 80lbs of tools in my truck that I was too lazy to remove." Well tough sheeoot, you ran what you ran. Some things are within your control when racing at the track. You can remove weight, adjust tire pressure, ice the intake, etc. Don't make excuses.


Dave

 

exaclty i wanted no excuses. car was stripped tank was empty, tires were on 22psi, iced out intake. i controled what i could now if my fat as$ could lose some weight that might help. theblue is prolly 70lbs lighter then me. that helps too.

 

and phuong and jeff k prolly 90 lbs lighter than you..

 

prolly, i need to teach mattsy to drive my car he's gotta be about 135 lbs. almost 100lighter then me.

 

Actually it's the most unused and apparently, the tranny problem is non existent to them. I'm in a huge debate with "Mike" The moderator over at over Acura.com forums. It seems everyone gets very testie when you even bring it up.

 

mattsy is heavier than phuong.. and phuong got mad skillz.. you should see all his trophy from dragging the Z

 

Phuong = The Man.

You should see him drive the Miata around.

 

hmmm where's he located again

 

Yeah ok, stock Bonneville SE supercharged........

 

PA... very close to etown

 

OK - I don't have a scanner so I'm ripping off Ben's (mzmtg) timeslip when we raced and I ran a 14.50:

http://photos.onebigvillage.com/image.asp?id_=80464


BTW, he circled his 15.27, but I am "Gold" on the left.

 

Here is my 14.44@95:

http://photos.onebigvillage.com/pubimage.asp?id_=83994

 

Sweet times!

Btw, the above link just gives me a blank page.

 

is .522 an amazing reaction time or is dmbmaxima's reactiontime a little slow?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=14.3

he was in the .9s on all 3 runs.

 

They are fine, they have no bearing in the ET.

 

Sorry about that - try it now.

Daniel

 

Yeah, but they do have a bearing on who wins the race!!

 

yup .9's are a little slow but it was my first time dragging a stick and i was concerned about hooking up. in my old car i got consistent .5's and .6's but it was an auto.