WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?!? everyones ditching the maxima?!
#41
Originally posted by clee130
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
#42
Originally posted by ericdwong
Simple fact, nissan quality control sucks as well as the engineering. Case in point, my transmission which has given me and many members here many problems due to manufacturing carelessness (read my stickie here, "another transmission update"). If you think the 5 gens got any better, go to the 5th gen forum and they're trying to compile a list to complain to nissan about lousy paint. We even have a minima club of america, when nissan was almost bankrupt in the 4 gen days.
The engineering also sux. What 30K+ car do you see these days that use a NON independent rear suspension on a front drive car??????
Speaking of engineering, the crash test ratings also suck. Visit www.iihs.org, for the insurance institute of highway safety. The early 4 gen were the lowest rated of cars, receiving POOR (lowest rating) in frontal offset crash testing. The 5th gen's arent too much better, and still remain the lowest rated in their class.
Somewhat related to crash tests are insurance costs. A 98 LS1 Camaro z28 would have cost me (19 at the time) only $200 more per year to insure then this POS family sedan rattle trap maxima does to insure with the same company the same coverage. And I'd be having TONS of more fun in that car then this car.
Since most of us here are performance enthusiasts, there isnt many things available to make it go fast. This is UNLIKE BMW, Impala SS, Mustang/Camaro, etc. We're stuck to a few companies who can jack their prices to sky high cause they have no competition.
When you go to try to sell this car, the resale value sucks so bad, that you're maxima is worth less then the FOUR cylinder accord/camry sitting next to it. Don't believe me? Go to www.kbb.com and type it in.
The dealers in sales and leasing received the 2nd to the lowest rating in the April 2001 issue of Consumer Reports for customer satisfaction. Go figure.
OK I'm done ranting. Now I hate this car even more. My advice to anybody with a maxima is to get rid of it as fast as you can, before the heavy depreciation really bites you in the rear. If the flag ship car is so bad, I can't begin to imagine the other cars in the lineup. Buying this car I can honestly say was the worst choice I have ever made.
Simple fact, nissan quality control sucks as well as the engineering. Case in point, my transmission which has given me and many members here many problems due to manufacturing carelessness (read my stickie here, "another transmission update"). If you think the 5 gens got any better, go to the 5th gen forum and they're trying to compile a list to complain to nissan about lousy paint. We even have a minima club of america, when nissan was almost bankrupt in the 4 gen days.
The engineering also sux. What 30K+ car do you see these days that use a NON independent rear suspension on a front drive car??????
Speaking of engineering, the crash test ratings also suck. Visit www.iihs.org, for the insurance institute of highway safety. The early 4 gen were the lowest rated of cars, receiving POOR (lowest rating) in frontal offset crash testing. The 5th gen's arent too much better, and still remain the lowest rated in their class.
Somewhat related to crash tests are insurance costs. A 98 LS1 Camaro z28 would have cost me (19 at the time) only $200 more per year to insure then this POS family sedan rattle trap maxima does to insure with the same company the same coverage. And I'd be having TONS of more fun in that car then this car.
Since most of us here are performance enthusiasts, there isnt many things available to make it go fast. This is UNLIKE BMW, Impala SS, Mustang/Camaro, etc. We're stuck to a few companies who can jack their prices to sky high cause they have no competition.
When you go to try to sell this car, the resale value sucks so bad, that you're maxima is worth less then the FOUR cylinder accord/camry sitting next to it. Don't believe me? Go to www.kbb.com and type it in.
The dealers in sales and leasing received the 2nd to the lowest rating in the April 2001 issue of Consumer Reports for customer satisfaction. Go figure.
OK I'm done ranting. Now I hate this car even more. My advice to anybody with a maxima is to get rid of it as fast as you can, before the heavy depreciation really bites you in the rear. If the flag ship car is so bad, I can't begin to imagine the other cars in the lineup. Buying this car I can honestly say was the worst choice I have ever made.
#44
Originally posted by Badaxxima
I love my Maxima. I have a '91 MAXima, too. I do have black leather, but it's still in perfect shape. I have intermittent wipers, fogs, cruise, manual tranny and the SE package. The Max is perfect for me right now; I get 25mpg if I'm easy on it, it handles well for a FWD, has Independent rear suspension, decent looks, seats 5 on occasion and has good power. I'm a freshman in college and I go out with my friends all the time, I have yet to encounter a serious problem; this car is perfect.
Oh and Eric...
I love my Maxima. I have a '91 MAXima, too. I do have black leather, but it's still in perfect shape. I have intermittent wipers, fogs, cruise, manual tranny and the SE package. The Max is perfect for me right now; I get 25mpg if I'm easy on it, it handles well for a FWD, has Independent rear suspension, decent looks, seats 5 on occasion and has good power. I'm a freshman in college and I go out with my friends all the time, I have yet to encounter a serious problem; this car is perfect.
Oh and Eric...
SuDZ
#45
Okay Eric wants a car that has the following:
1) Fast
2) High resale value
3) Good quality
4) Decent insurance
5) Decently cheap parts
5) Reliable
His choices are Impala, Z28 or BMW 3 series something.
Impala. Good resale (I think) but I seriously question the reliablity, paint, insurance.
Z28: Fast but I question relibilty, insurance and paint.
BMW. Decently fast(if it's a M3), Good resale, Ave quality(electronics and M3 upper drivetrains go bye-bye from what I read), insurance should be decent. But this not not a good 1/4'er either due to it's tendency to shred it's irs mounting points and irs suspension is not the best for the 1/4. Nor is modding cheap(or cheaper than the maxima) Also maintanence will be more expensive(no ifs about it)
All of his reasons for not liking the maxima are okay. His opinion I guess. But not one of his choices fufill all of his requirements. You can't just piece meal 3-4 different car's qualities and use them to bash the maxima's qualities. The reason you don't have a problem w/ your choices is because you haven't had the chance to own them yet. ie.. you didn't have ONE complaint about the maxima BEFORE you owned it right?
Just some thoughts
1) Fast
2) High resale value
3) Good quality
4) Decent insurance
5) Decently cheap parts
5) Reliable
His choices are Impala, Z28 or BMW 3 series something.
Impala. Good resale (I think) but I seriously question the reliablity, paint, insurance.
Z28: Fast but I question relibilty, insurance and paint.
BMW. Decently fast(if it's a M3), Good resale, Ave quality(electronics and M3 upper drivetrains go bye-bye from what I read), insurance should be decent. But this not not a good 1/4'er either due to it's tendency to shred it's irs mounting points and irs suspension is not the best for the 1/4. Nor is modding cheap(or cheaper than the maxima) Also maintanence will be more expensive(no ifs about it)
All of his reasons for not liking the maxima are okay. His opinion I guess. But not one of his choices fufill all of his requirements. You can't just piece meal 3-4 different car's qualities and use them to bash the maxima's qualities. The reason you don't have a problem w/ your choices is because you haven't had the chance to own them yet. ie.. you didn't have ONE complaint about the maxima BEFORE you owned it right?
Just some thoughts
#46
Originally posted by SuDZ
Same way I feel about my max. I definantly cannot complain about it at all. No problems, great car, fun to drive. Everythign I wanted and more.
SuDZ
Same way I feel about my max. I definantly cannot complain about it at all. No problems, great car, fun to drive. Everythign I wanted and more.
SuDZ
As for girls... its not about your car. And if you need to use a car to get any girls, well...
Originally posted by clee130
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
#47
Originally posted by ericdwong
Here's my honest opinion. I drive a 97 SE. The Maxima flat out sucks. I hate this car, and I'm not being sarcastic..........
Simple fact, nissan quality control sucks as well as the engineering........
The engineering also sux. What 30K+ car do you see these days that use a NON independent rear suspension on a front drive car??????
Speaking of engineering, the crash test ratings also suck........
When you go to try to sell this car, the resale value sucks so bad, that you're maxima is worth less then the FOUR cylinder accord/camry sitting next to it. ........
OK I'm done ranting. Now I hate this car even more. My advice to anybody with a maxima is to get rid of it as fast as you can, before the heavy depreciation really bites you in the rear...... Buying this car I can honestly say was the worst choice I have ever made.
Here's my honest opinion. I drive a 97 SE. The Maxima flat out sucks. I hate this car, and I'm not being sarcastic..........
Simple fact, nissan quality control sucks as well as the engineering........
The engineering also sux. What 30K+ car do you see these days that use a NON independent rear suspension on a front drive car??????
Speaking of engineering, the crash test ratings also suck........
When you go to try to sell this car, the resale value sucks so bad, that you're maxima is worth less then the FOUR cylinder accord/camry sitting next to it. ........
OK I'm done ranting. Now I hate this car even more. My advice to anybody with a maxima is to get rid of it as fast as you can, before the heavy depreciation really bites you in the rear...... Buying this car I can honestly say was the worst choice I have ever made.
Seriously, it sounds like you got the wrong kind of car Eric. Of course, I am almost 30 and the 98 Maxima I just got is by far the nicest car I have ever owned. If I was given any car that ran good when I was a teenager I would have been thrilled.
In any case, I consider the Maxima a practical four door family car that also happens to be fun to drive and a little more performance orientated then the Camery and Accord, A 'poor mans BMW' as others have said. If you really want a true sports car then you will not be happy with the Maxima. While there is not a huge aftermarket for the Maxima there is enough available to make you Maxima stand out from those that are just 'family cars' for a reasonable amount of money.
I love my Max and will probably be keeping it a long time
#48
Originally posted by darksands
All you teenagers with cars given to them, your lucky. Lotsa people dont have cars. They take the bus. Busses have turbo... you could ride in one of those...
All you teenagers with cars given to them, your lucky. Lotsa people dont have cars. They take the bus. Busses have turbo... you could ride in one of those...
I know of at least one 17 year old in a high-school a couple of miles away from me who just traded in his 2000 Corvette for a 2001 Z06. He's a junior in high school.
Sure it would be great to have a car handed to you, if your parents can afford it, then they can probably afford to give you a car that YOU want. If they can afford to get you a car for nothing, do you have a choice? Not ususally. But what happens when you get that car without a choice and your other option is to not have a car? What do you do?
#49
I guess you are just unlucky.
I have had my max over 4 years and is nearing 100,000 miles and aside from maintenance I have only spent $250 to replace a fuel sender unit. I have one rattle in the summertime when it gets hot around the sunroof. If you can find a car manufacturer that builds every single car perfect than please tell us all. Simple fact, Nissan quality control appears to be fine for my Max.
It seems every board I visit that the members are trying to compile lists for a defect they believe exists in the car.
As one motorcycle rider to another what do you care about crash test ratings? Any car offers more protection than a bike irregardless of how much safety equipment you wear when riding.
About the only time I hear about the non-independent rear suspension is from the honduh/Acura boys because they can't find anything else to pick on and they are jealous of the VQ. Look at honduh and what they did to the civic's front suspension. How many BMW owners truly test BMW's claim of the ultimate driving machine? As far as handling goes there's only a small percentage of drivers on the road that could exploit a fully independent rear supension.
The maxima is by no means the greatest car around but it is a far cry from the POS you make it out to be.
I have had my max over 4 years and is nearing 100,000 miles and aside from maintenance I have only spent $250 to replace a fuel sender unit. I have one rattle in the summertime when it gets hot around the sunroof. If you can find a car manufacturer that builds every single car perfect than please tell us all. Simple fact, Nissan quality control appears to be fine for my Max.
It seems every board I visit that the members are trying to compile lists for a defect they believe exists in the car.
As one motorcycle rider to another what do you care about crash test ratings? Any car offers more protection than a bike irregardless of how much safety equipment you wear when riding.
About the only time I hear about the non-independent rear suspension is from the honduh/Acura boys because they can't find anything else to pick on and they are jealous of the VQ. Look at honduh and what they did to the civic's front suspension. How many BMW owners truly test BMW's claim of the ultimate driving machine? As far as handling goes there's only a small percentage of drivers on the road that could exploit a fully independent rear supension.
The maxima is by no means the greatest car around but it is a far cry from the POS you make it out to be.
#50
Originally posted by mozy
But what happens when you get that car without a choice and your other option is to not have a car? What do you do?
But what happens when you get that car without a choice and your other option is to not have a car? What do you do?
#51
Originally posted by Badaxxima
Not have a car. At least that way you'll quit bi*ching about a great car. I'd kill for a VQ30DE/manual. God what a spoiled little baby.
Not have a car. At least that way you'll quit bi*ching about a great car. I'd kill for a VQ30DE/manual. God what a spoiled little baby.
#53
Originally posted by clee130
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
Let me add a side note: Pick just about any of the following and I will personally buy it for you myself:
1) 1975 Plymoth Duster (my first car.) $972, Blue (well, in some spots, others were primer, rust, and even a hole), cracked vinyl (not leather), no dashboard, no radio (had to use speakers and a port. cd player) Do I need to continue?
2) 1989 Mazda 626 (Hatchback...nuff said)
3) 1988 Ford Escort. I could go on and on.
Oh yeah. I had to buy all of them myself (including car, insurance, gas and any repairs). So next time someone comes to you and says "Hey man, nice car." simply say "Thanks."
#54
Re: Re: Whiners =P
Originally posted by ericdwong
Do you know how many people look at the maxima and think "what an overpriced POS family sedan"?
Do you know how many people look at the maxima and think "what an overpriced POS family sedan"?
Yes, and this is so we can live a better lifestyle. Not a lifestyle when I'm driving a family sedan. Hell she shoulda just gone out and bought me a damn minivan then. Everytime I see a maxima, I see an old person driving it, or a mom with a car seat in the back. Not a performance oriented person at all.
And it is exactly just that. A v6 sedan. Although its fully loaded and a stick, it's NOT and never will be a v8 RWD sports car.
I'd rather pick up a girl on my honda bike, its alot better.
I consider myself an enthusiast. Posting my experience is part of being an enthusiast. Just happens to be I've had a really bad ride (pun intended).
#55
Mozy - I feel for you, it sucks to be pressured into buying something you don't want by family. Still you coud do a lot worse than a Maxima, my parents pressured me into buying my grandmothers old Renault Alliance when I was a teenager and needed a car. That car was a huge POS and slower than just about anything on the road.
I still don't see how you consider the Maxima a step down from a Corolla....
I still don't see how you consider the Maxima a step down from a Corolla....
#56
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My Max turned 1 a couple days ago, and I haven't been happier with it. I wasn't looking for a high-performance rocketship or I would have bought myself a V8 sports car for a few grand more. I started modding it because putting a new toy on/in it is fun for me, and while tons of people have the same car, at least mine is a little different. The Maxima is also a nice departure for those of us who like sedans, but are tired of the Accord/Camry group and don't feel like or can't cough up enough for a GS430 or BMW 5-series. While it fits in the same category as the Accord & Camry, it's far different in looks and performance. And like someone else said, I would much rather beat a Mustang GT or riced Civic in my bone-stock looking, 4-door, V6, FWD, Japanese family sedan than in any Z28 or SS, because winning is a hell of a lot more fun when the other guy is expecting to kick your a$$. I will say that Nissan service sucks complete and total ***, but I don't take my car to dealerships anymore anyways, because it's more expensive, and I have yet to find a halfway decent dealer around here. As far as the T&A comment, if you need to rely on the car to do your "bidding" for you, then it would seem that you have other problems. My girlfriend loves my Maxima and enjoys driving on the rare occasions she's out east. *Please note-this DOES scare the living **** out of me* But I began with her long before the Max, when I was driving around my 96 Camry that was eventually replaced by an Accord V6, which was later stolen, and then an old POS 1982 BMW 320. She didn't give a **** then what I drive then, and if I traded in the Max on a Ferrari, she still wouldn't give a ****. And Eric, it's not like you paid one red cent on the purchase of your Max, so how the hell would you take a hit on trading it in? Even if you got $20 for it, remember $0 + $20 = $20 you would have never had in the first place. I can't believe someone would complain about an $18,000 gift...
#57
Originally posted by clee130
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
I only have one thing to say: If you are using your car (whatever kind of car that is) to get girls ... then you must have a really really really small ****.
Originally posted by Jeff92se
The reason you don't have a problem w/ your choices is because you haven't had the chance to own them yet. ie.. you didn't have ONE complaint about the maxima BEFORE you owned it right?
The reason you don't have a problem w/ your choices is because you haven't had the chance to own them yet. ie.. you didn't have ONE complaint about the maxima BEFORE you owned it right?
Originally posted by speedtrip
The maxima is by no means the greatest car around but it is a far cry from the POS you make it out to be.
The maxima is by no means the greatest car around but it is a far cry from the POS you make it out to be.
[QUOTE] Originally posted by ericdwong Simple fact, nissan quality control sucks as well as the engineering. [QUOTE]
#58
Originally posted by Anachronism
Mozy - I feel for you, it sucks to be pressured into buying something you don't want by family. Still you coud do a lot worse than a Maxima, my parents pressured me into buying my grandmothers old Renault Alliance when I was a teenager and needed a car. That car was a huge POS and slower than just about anything on the road.
I still don't see how you consider the Maxima a step down from a Corolla....
Mozy - I feel for you, it sucks to be pressured into buying something you don't want by family. Still you coud do a lot worse than a Maxima, my parents pressured me into buying my grandmothers old Renault Alliance when I was a teenager and needed a car. That car was a huge POS and slower than just about anything on the road.
I still don't see how you consider the Maxima a step down from a Corolla....
Basically, I wasnt pressured into BUYING it, I was pushed into PAYING for it. It was in our family for 2 years, and was a hand-me-down-and-keep-paying-for-it. It didnt matter if I wanted to drive it or not, I have to pay for it. We cant just throw out a lease.
I never said the Max is a stepd down from a corolla, and I never said tha max was worse than the corolla. I just stated that my first car was a corolla and after it was crashed I got pushed into this car by my parents because they decided my stupid *** brother who is old enough to be married and out of the house deserves a brand new gold-packaged 4runner with chromes. The corolla was actually pretty small. I didnt like it too much, but it WAS my first car, and I basically bought it myself, jut had the parents sign the lease papers. I think the Max is a step up. But its a step towards HUGE. I like big cars, but I never use the rear seats...maybe I should rip them out...hmm...nah. I dont want a performance car, and I dont care what people think of my car. I just needed a car that suited my needs. Thats why I didnt ***** when I got my corolla..it was small (once again Im not saying it was a GOOD CAR), and easily manageable, and brand new. Once again, the max is great, but too big for me.
anyway,forget it, I LOVE MY MAXIMA.
#59
Originally posted by JBWhitley
Let's think about this...Nice Car, Nice Girl...Little baby. Then you got 2 or 3 kids that you have to cram in the back seat b/c you decided to buy an overpriced sports car that you can't even drive fast anymore b/c you have kids to take care of. Just a thought.
Let me add a side note: Pick just about any of the following and I will personally buy it for you myself:
1) 1975 Plymoth Duster (my first car.) $972, Blue (well, in some spots, others were primer, rust, and even a hole), cracked vinyl (not leather), no dashboard, no radio (had to use speakers and a port. cd player) Do I need to continue?
2) 1989 Mazda 626 (Hatchback...nuff said)
3) 1988 Ford Escort. I could go on and on.
Oh yeah. I had to buy all of them myself (including car, insurance, gas and any repairs). So next time someone comes to you and says "Hey man, nice car." simply say "Thanks."
Let's think about this...Nice Car, Nice Girl...Little baby. Then you got 2 or 3 kids that you have to cram in the back seat b/c you decided to buy an overpriced sports car that you can't even drive fast anymore b/c you have kids to take care of. Just a thought.
Let me add a side note: Pick just about any of the following and I will personally buy it for you myself:
1) 1975 Plymoth Duster (my first car.) $972, Blue (well, in some spots, others were primer, rust, and even a hole), cracked vinyl (not leather), no dashboard, no radio (had to use speakers and a port. cd player) Do I need to continue?
2) 1989 Mazda 626 (Hatchback...nuff said)
3) 1988 Ford Escort. I could go on and on.
Oh yeah. I had to buy all of them myself (including car, insurance, gas and any repairs). So next time someone comes to you and says "Hey man, nice car." simply say "Thanks."
When I was in high school it was uncool to act spoiled. Nobody would ever admit that it was the case. Boy have times changed. You're spoiled and big daddy is loaded? Have them send you to a top school where it'll help you get ahead for a lifetime. Why the **** put that opportunity into a car?
#61
Originally posted by Dave B
[B]
Yep, I do think everyone should own a musclecar once in their lives. They are a fast and fun to drive, but you have to accept the poor ride, gas mileage, poor fit/finish, poor resale, etc when owning one these cars.
[B]
Yep, I do think everyone should own a musclecar once in their lives. They are a fast and fun to drive, but you have to accept the poor ride, gas mileage, poor fit/finish, poor resale, etc when owning one these cars.
There is a reason that most people only keep these cars about 1 year. I kept mine for 3 years, but I wanted some more refined and larger.
I also know many enthusiasts who are in there 50's yet still drive corvettes and mustangs as their daily driver. Infact many of them are my personal friends.
If you think the beam axle is bad in the Maxima, wait till you drive a car with a 200lb live axle. Talk about unpsrung weight.
I've never lost of a Civic. Many of my friends run early 90s hatchbacks with B16 swaps. I've never had a problem beating them on the street or strip. I've faced lots of Civics on the track and not one has handed me my butt. There are only 4 Civics I know of at the track that can outrun me, but they run NOS and are gutted. I did get smoked by Del Sol (Dark Sol Motorsports) that ran a 13.6@99mph to my 14.8. I didn't feel bad since he's got a built ITR/Jun motor and the car is COMPLETELY gutted.
I don't know about you, but I'm VERY consistent at the track. I've got lots of timeslips showing 14.7/14.8. I don't know about your track, but at my track most of the street driven Stangs/F-Bodies/Grand Prix GTPs are in the upper 13s and 14s. I'm usually very competitve with these cars (win some/lose some) and I've got respect out there. I'm the underdog and I like it. I'm also usually the fastest import there which is fun.
I don't have peeling paint nor is my insurance high, but I'm 27, married, and own a house. However, I can see why insurance is so expensive because nearly EVERY single person I personally know has totalled one Maxima plus I read about total loss's on the this site weekly. High insurance can also be a factor of your driving record or here you live. I don't put much in the crash worthiness tests because no crash is alike. I've seen lots of totalled Maxima's on carparts.com and they all looked like they were pretty safe in a crash.
A lack of performance parts for the Maxima is complete BS in my book. You've got Y-pipes, headers, b-pipes, catbacks, cat converters, tons of intakes, UDPs, superchargers, nitrous, ECUs, limited-slip difs, coilovers, springs, subframe connectors, and adjustable struts.
What else is there? Cams, heads, turbos? A cam package would cost well over $1000 plus install would be a pain. This isn't a Honda. There are two heads and 4 cams. Heads would be pointless because the only thing that's wrong with the heads on the Maxima is that the ports are a little weak. Turbos are a paiin on V6s. If it was a I6 then it would be easy, but when you're trying to boost off of two banks in a crammed engine bay, it becomes complicated. Stick with the SC.
The Maxima isn't the right platform if you want a 12-second or lower car. Neither is a Honda.
I'm not unrealistic when it comes to the performance of my Maxima. I knew what I was getting into. I told myself that all I wanted was 14-second timeslips with a NA Maxima. Well, I've got them and I plan on making them low 14-second slips here shortly. The ONLY cars that will run 12s on pump gas and consistently will be V8 musclecars. But the trade-offs are huge.
#63
Re: Re: Re: Whiners =P
Originally posted by Maximan190
enough with the "Family sedan" comments....what kinda max do u have, a BASE AUTOMATIC GXE?....a 4th gen? If you were to ever drive a 5spd 92-94 SE or 2002 6 spd, they aint so much a family sedan then...they dont call the 3rd gen SEs 4DSCs for nothin
enough with the "Family sedan" comments....what kinda max do u have, a BASE AUTOMATIC GXE?....a 4th gen? If you were to ever drive a 5spd 92-94 SE or 2002 6 spd, they aint so much a family sedan then...they dont call the 3rd gen SEs 4DSCs for nothin
this is true but every car has its own characteristics....and youre one of those "american muscleheads"? or....
...are you a rice boy? make up your mind
...are you a rice boy? make up your mind
ok so u have your own opinions, but it doesnt need to be augmented to a point where the rest of us take offense.
#64
I worked over two years to buy my maxima. I love it now. You allways take things for granted when they are given to you.
There is no way in H*ll I could give up my car for a civic. I get roomy car, reliable(I dont 5K drop clutch it, burnouts etc on it). Its fast with out mods so why have many of them, to be like the rice boys? I feel great that people ask me what car I have cause my trunk is shaved.I have friends who have 2k1 TLs and are bored of them cause mommy bough it and they want something else. (spoiled brats)
There isnt a perfect car in this world. ALL CARS BREAK DOWN. Some more then others.
There is no way in H*ll I could give up my car for a civic. I get roomy car, reliable(I dont 5K drop clutch it, burnouts etc on it). Its fast with out mods so why have many of them, to be like the rice boys? I feel great that people ask me what car I have cause my trunk is shaved.I have friends who have 2k1 TLs and are bored of them cause mommy bough it and they want something else. (spoiled brats)
There isnt a perfect car in this world. ALL CARS BREAK DOWN. Some more then others.
#66
Originally posted by ericdwong
Dont take this as a flame, or personally but I thought you just said you never lost to a civic, yet you admit 4 cars that can beat you. So this says the civic has the potential to be modded to the point of beating a maxima, and even its got the performance parts available to make it happen.
Dont take this as a flame, or personally but I thought you just said you never lost to a civic, yet you admit 4 cars that can beat you. So this says the civic has the potential to be modded to the point of beating a maxima, and even its got the performance parts available to make it happen.
he DID say that he has never lost to a civic...but he knows of some that can beat him with NOS...I bet if he had NOS too he would take them. What's your point....with enough time and money you can make pretty much any car faster than any other car....
a civic has the potential to beat an LS-1 too....
#67
Yep, I do think everyone should own a musclecar once in their lives. They are a fast and fun to drive, but you
have to accept the poor ride, gas mileage, poor fit/finish, poor resale, etc when owning one these cars.
Why should everyone own a musclecar? Not everyone is rich on this forum, at least I don't think everyone is.
There are 2 cars that I've had that cost crazy $$$ to keep on the road--one was a 1970 Pontiac GTO.
Way too judgemental much of the time if you ask me. I saw this Finance dude leaving work yesterday who makes serious mad cash--his car was a 5-6 year-old BMW 328is. If he had the mentality as some on this forum do, he'd be driving something much newer. But you'll find as you enter real society that this finance dude is more typical than 15 year-olds buying new Maximas and then complaining about them.
have to accept the poor ride, gas mileage, poor fit/finish, poor resale, etc when owning one these cars.
Why should everyone own a musclecar? Not everyone is rich on this forum, at least I don't think everyone is.
There are 2 cars that I've had that cost crazy $$$ to keep on the road--one was a 1970 Pontiac GTO.
Way too judgemental much of the time if you ask me. I saw this Finance dude leaving work yesterday who makes serious mad cash--his car was a 5-6 year-old BMW 328is. If he had the mentality as some on this forum do, he'd be driving something much newer. But you'll find as you enter real society that this finance dude is more typical than 15 year-olds buying new Maximas and then complaining about them.
#68
This happens like clockwork here on the Org...probably about twice a year. I love it when this happens since you can get mods for a fraction of their cost new.
I have several theories about why this happens. One is that people get a Maxima with false expectations about it's performance, mod-ability, etc. These probably stem from it's 4DSC image...if that even still exists. They mod the hell out of the car expecting to turn it into a McLaren and spend all their money on it.
The truth is that the Maxima is a compromise of utility (cargo & passenger), performance, reliability and affordability. It does alot of things well but it doesn't do any one of them EXTREMELY well. So when guys get some more money (new job, etc.) and want a faster car or more aftermarket support or a bigger, more luxurious, more utilitarian, etc. car, they **** all over the Maxima and get something else. Often times these same guys come back here and brag about how much faster their Supra, Corvette, etc. is than the Maxima. Duh.
For me the Maxima still fits the bill perfectly. It's fast enough, looks good, gets decent gas mileage, can haul people and stuff around and has enough space to use as a vacation/trip car. It is reliable and has decent longevity with some cars going over 200k miles. If I could find a better car for the money, I would own it.
Jim
I have several theories about why this happens. One is that people get a Maxima with false expectations about it's performance, mod-ability, etc. These probably stem from it's 4DSC image...if that even still exists. They mod the hell out of the car expecting to turn it into a McLaren and spend all their money on it.
The truth is that the Maxima is a compromise of utility (cargo & passenger), performance, reliability and affordability. It does alot of things well but it doesn't do any one of them EXTREMELY well. So when guys get some more money (new job, etc.) and want a faster car or more aftermarket support or a bigger, more luxurious, more utilitarian, etc. car, they **** all over the Maxima and get something else. Often times these same guys come back here and brag about how much faster their Supra, Corvette, etc. is than the Maxima. Duh.
For me the Maxima still fits the bill perfectly. It's fast enough, looks good, gets decent gas mileage, can haul people and stuff around and has enough space to use as a vacation/trip car. It is reliable and has decent longevity with some cars going over 200k miles. If I could find a better car for the money, I would own it.
Jim
#69
Eric-
I can understand you frustration, but you're displacing your anger on Nissan when the real problem is that you just have the wrong car to be building into a drag car. A 10-second Maxima is pretty much a "pipe" dream and a pretty rediculous expectation if you ask me. To run 10-seconds takes some serious power and drivetrain work. It's just not "bolt-on" stuff.
Aftermarket parts like "valves, rod, and pistons", aren't really needed with the VQ. All these parts are engineered very well. I think you are confusing the Maxima with the Civic line. With the Hondas, "hybrid" is the name of the game. Swapping out heads, pistons, rods, intake manifolds, cams, etc is the norm because they are plentiful and the motors are modular. Companies like JUN and such make some really nice stuff for these cars, but how many people can really afford this stuff? I personally know a guy with a ITR that has lots of JUN equipment in his motor. The ITR is very quick (mid 13s), but he spent $4000 on NA mods and install. Simply throw NOS Traction bars on the Maxima would be a hilarious joke. Why traction/wheelie bars a sedan? That would be a "rice" first. Heavy duty trannies are available, but that's only in auto form. I know of no companies making "heavy duty" late model manual trannies. To run quick, you need an automatic. PURE AND SIMPLE and this is something I doubt you would want. Autos are much more consistent and can take LOTS more abuse once the internals are beefed up. Autos are also better on the car as a whole.
You are mistaken about no 12 second Maximas. Don is running 12.2s in his GXE auto with NOS only and a couple guys are running 12s with SCs. Don's next setup will be deep into the 11s. I'm guessing low 11s around 120mph. I suggest you take some pointers from Don if you really wanted to be quick. It takes LOTS of money to be quick and Don has gone about it the right way. He's beefed up his tranny with better internals, higher stall converter, and his VB upgrade. I believe he is also running a I30 LSD and hardened axles. His nitrous setup is just not you typical bolt up piece. It's a staged system. He uses small slicks at the track to improve gearing. He doesn't need "traction bars" to pull 1.8 60's. He's got all the bolt-on mods and his car looks nearly stock. Low 12s without a SC is incredible regardless if it's a Maxima or not. Recently he bought a used VQ30DE and has cleaned up the heads and lowered the compression. He'll be running NOS and something else that's gonna be pushing some serious air. He has literally made this motor dummy proof. It's gonna be a wicked Maxima. The great thing about Don's Maxima is that it's gonna be completely streetable. All those 11-second and below Civics you see in SCC aren't exactly streets cars. They're loud, high strung, rough idles, no torque, peaky power, and usually gutted interiors. What's the fun in that?
Yes, I doubt Nissan will get my money when it's time to buy another car. I'm not upset with Nissan or the Maxima, I would just like something a little different. I'm probably gonna go with a turbo/AWD setup next.
Dave
I can understand you frustration, but you're displacing your anger on Nissan when the real problem is that you just have the wrong car to be building into a drag car. A 10-second Maxima is pretty much a "pipe" dream and a pretty rediculous expectation if you ask me. To run 10-seconds takes some serious power and drivetrain work. It's just not "bolt-on" stuff.
Aftermarket parts like "valves, rod, and pistons", aren't really needed with the VQ. All these parts are engineered very well. I think you are confusing the Maxima with the Civic line. With the Hondas, "hybrid" is the name of the game. Swapping out heads, pistons, rods, intake manifolds, cams, etc is the norm because they are plentiful and the motors are modular. Companies like JUN and such make some really nice stuff for these cars, but how many people can really afford this stuff? I personally know a guy with a ITR that has lots of JUN equipment in his motor. The ITR is very quick (mid 13s), but he spent $4000 on NA mods and install. Simply throw NOS Traction bars on the Maxima would be a hilarious joke. Why traction/wheelie bars a sedan? That would be a "rice" first. Heavy duty trannies are available, but that's only in auto form. I know of no companies making "heavy duty" late model manual trannies. To run quick, you need an automatic. PURE AND SIMPLE and this is something I doubt you would want. Autos are much more consistent and can take LOTS more abuse once the internals are beefed up. Autos are also better on the car as a whole.
You are mistaken about no 12 second Maximas. Don is running 12.2s in his GXE auto with NOS only and a couple guys are running 12s with SCs. Don's next setup will be deep into the 11s. I'm guessing low 11s around 120mph. I suggest you take some pointers from Don if you really wanted to be quick. It takes LOTS of money to be quick and Don has gone about it the right way. He's beefed up his tranny with better internals, higher stall converter, and his VB upgrade. I believe he is also running a I30 LSD and hardened axles. His nitrous setup is just not you typical bolt up piece. It's a staged system. He uses small slicks at the track to improve gearing. He doesn't need "traction bars" to pull 1.8 60's. He's got all the bolt-on mods and his car looks nearly stock. Low 12s without a SC is incredible regardless if it's a Maxima or not. Recently he bought a used VQ30DE and has cleaned up the heads and lowered the compression. He'll be running NOS and something else that's gonna be pushing some serious air. He has literally made this motor dummy proof. It's gonna be a wicked Maxima. The great thing about Don's Maxima is that it's gonna be completely streetable. All those 11-second and below Civics you see in SCC aren't exactly streets cars. They're loud, high strung, rough idles, no torque, peaky power, and usually gutted interiors. What's the fun in that?
Yes, I doubt Nissan will get my money when it's time to buy another car. I'm not upset with Nissan or the Maxima, I would just like something a little different. I'm probably gonna go with a turbo/AWD setup next.
Dave
#70
Originally posted by Dave B
Eric-
I can understand you frustration, but you're displacing on Nissan when the real problem is that you just have the wrong car is be building into a drag car. A 10-second Maxima is pretty much a "pipe" dream and a pretty rdeiculous expectation if you ask me. To run 10-seconds takes some serious power and drivetrain work. It's just not "bolt-on" stuff.
Aftermarket parts like "valves, rod, and pistons", aren't really needed with the VQ. All these parts are engineered very well. I think you are confusing the Maxima with the Civic line. With the Hondas, "hybrid" is the name of the game. Swapping out heads, pistons, rods, intake manifolds, cams, etc is the norm because they are plentiful and the motors are modular. Companies like JUN and such make some really nice stuff for these cars, but how many people can really afford this stuff? I personally know a guy with a ITR that has lots of JUN equipment in his motor. The ITR is very quick (mid 13s), but he spent $4000 on NA mods and install. Simply throw NOS Traction bars on the Maxima would be a hilarious joke. Why traction/wheelie bars a sedan? That would be a "rice" first. Heavy duty trannies are available, but that's only in auto form. I know of no companies making "heavy duty" late model manual trannies. To run quick, you need an automatic. PURE AND SIMPLE and this is something I doubt you would want. Autos are much more consistent and can take LOTS more abuse once the internals are beefed up. Autos are also better on the car as a whole.
You are mistaken about no 12 second Maximas. Don is running 12.2s in his GXE auto with NOS only and a couple guys are running 12s with SCs. Don's next setup will be deep into the 11s. I'm guessing low 11s around 120mph. I suggest you take some pointers from Don if you really wanted to be quick. It takes LOTS of money to be quick and Don has gone about it the right way. He's beefed up his tranny with better internals, higher stall converter, and his VB upgrade. I believe he is also running a I30 LSD and hardened axles. His nitrous setup is just not you typical bolt up piece. It's a staged system. He uses small slicks at the track to improve gearing. He doesn't need "traction bars" to pull 1.8 60's. He's got all the bolt-on mods and his car looks nearly stock. Low 12s without a SC is incredible regardless if it's a Maxima or not. Recently he bought a used VQ30DE and has cleaned up the heads and lowered the compression. He'll be running NOS and something else that's gonna be pushing some serious air. He has literally made this motor dummy proof. It's gonna be a wicked Maxima. The great thing about Don's Maxima is that it's gonna be completely streetable. All those 11-second and below Civics you see in SCC aren't exactly streets cars. They're loud, high strung, rough idles, no torque, peaky power, and usually gutted interiors. What's the fun in that?
Yes, I doubt Nissan will get my money when it's time to buy another car. I'm not upset with Nissan or the Maxima, I would just like something a little different. I'm probably gonna go with a turbo/AWD setup next.
Dave
Eric-
I can understand you frustration, but you're displacing on Nissan when the real problem is that you just have the wrong car is be building into a drag car. A 10-second Maxima is pretty much a "pipe" dream and a pretty rdeiculous expectation if you ask me. To run 10-seconds takes some serious power and drivetrain work. It's just not "bolt-on" stuff.
Aftermarket parts like "valves, rod, and pistons", aren't really needed with the VQ. All these parts are engineered very well. I think you are confusing the Maxima with the Civic line. With the Hondas, "hybrid" is the name of the game. Swapping out heads, pistons, rods, intake manifolds, cams, etc is the norm because they are plentiful and the motors are modular. Companies like JUN and such make some really nice stuff for these cars, but how many people can really afford this stuff? I personally know a guy with a ITR that has lots of JUN equipment in his motor. The ITR is very quick (mid 13s), but he spent $4000 on NA mods and install. Simply throw NOS Traction bars on the Maxima would be a hilarious joke. Why traction/wheelie bars a sedan? That would be a "rice" first. Heavy duty trannies are available, but that's only in auto form. I know of no companies making "heavy duty" late model manual trannies. To run quick, you need an automatic. PURE AND SIMPLE and this is something I doubt you would want. Autos are much more consistent and can take LOTS more abuse once the internals are beefed up. Autos are also better on the car as a whole.
You are mistaken about no 12 second Maximas. Don is running 12.2s in his GXE auto with NOS only and a couple guys are running 12s with SCs. Don's next setup will be deep into the 11s. I'm guessing low 11s around 120mph. I suggest you take some pointers from Don if you really wanted to be quick. It takes LOTS of money to be quick and Don has gone about it the right way. He's beefed up his tranny with better internals, higher stall converter, and his VB upgrade. I believe he is also running a I30 LSD and hardened axles. His nitrous setup is just not you typical bolt up piece. It's a staged system. He uses small slicks at the track to improve gearing. He doesn't need "traction bars" to pull 1.8 60's. He's got all the bolt-on mods and his car looks nearly stock. Low 12s without a SC is incredible regardless if it's a Maxima or not. Recently he bought a used VQ30DE and has cleaned up the heads and lowered the compression. He'll be running NOS and something else that's gonna be pushing some serious air. He has literally made this motor dummy proof. It's gonna be a wicked Maxima. The great thing about Don's Maxima is that it's gonna be completely streetable. All those 11-second and below Civics you see in SCC aren't exactly streets cars. They're loud, high strung, rough idles, no torque, peaky power, and usually gutted interiors. What's the fun in that?
Yes, I doubt Nissan will get my money when it's time to buy another car. I'm not upset with Nissan or the Maxima, I would just like something a little different. I'm probably gonna go with a turbo/AWD setup next.
Dave
50% of all Civics are trying to break into the 14'2
40% of them are trying to break into the 13's
the last 10% are not street-able (legally) and look like pooo.
One of my best friends, Mark Brauning (brauningmotorsports.com) has a full race civic, NA, almost in the 10's. Sweet car to look at and watch at the track, but he has poured $$$ into that car to get it there.
Racing at the track is a hobby.
Driving your car on the street is transportation.
There are not too many people who can have both and still produce numbers. I learned my lesson when I kept trying to get my Civic to the low 13's.... my only car. I got there, but ended up not having the car for 3 weeks because I floated the valves and cost me over $1000 in head-work. The price of victory is not cheap my friends.
BUT.... everyone has to learn for themselves. Good luck to the younger guys, hope you don't kill yourself in the process.
#71
You're an ungrateful, spoiled little B!tch. Have you ever paid for anything in your life? My first car was a 1989 Volvo 760 turbo. You're saying the Maxima is unreliable? You say the Euro's are reliable? Maybe you should have gotten that Volvo for your first car. It was in the shop more than it was on the road. And the cost??? Nissan parts are priced WAY BELOW the parts for that car. I don't know how you drive your car, but you must abuse it that thing. I have had NO, ZERO problems with my Maxima. I've had it for two years. As far as availability of performance, what the hell are you doing comparing a 4-door family car to a muscle/sports car like a LS1 camaro? Talk about unreliable and cheap... it has far more reliabiliy issues than the Maxima (check consumer reports)
You are right...you can't compare a Maxima to a BMW. Beamers cost as much and a little more for their 4-bangers. They handle a lot better than the Maxima's. But run a BMW 325 and Maxima (same year) both with similar mods against each other and the Beamer would be crying in pain because it's @ss would get beat so bad. Grow up a little and then make some halfway intelligent remarks. My B!tch session is over.
You are right...you can't compare a Maxima to a BMW. Beamers cost as much and a little more for their 4-bangers. They handle a lot better than the Maxima's. But run a BMW 325 and Maxima (same year) both with similar mods against each other and the Beamer would be crying in pain because it's @ss would get beat so bad. Grow up a little and then make some halfway intelligent remarks. My B!tch session is over.
#72
I'm 17 and had $19,000 to spend on a car that I earned myself and chose the Maxima. Yeah I could have a got a really cool mustang or a camaro or another supposedly fast POS that would have died at 50k miles. Instead I got a very reliable sports sedan that can carry 5 people and still beat mustangs, civics, and almost any other cars on the road. Drive a couple of saturns, cavaliers, or even cars such as the altima and you will realize how amazing your maxima really is.
#73
Originally posted by RapidMax
I'm 17 and had $19,000 to spend on a car that I earned myself and chose the Maxima. Yeah I could have a got a really cool mustang or a camaro or another supposedly fast POS that would have died at 50k miles. Instead I got a very reliable sports sedan that can carry 5 people and still beat mustangs, civics, and almost any other cars on the road. Drive a couple of saturns, cavaliers, or even cars such as the altima and you will realize how amazing your maxima really is.
I'm 17 and had $19,000 to spend on a car that I earned myself and chose the Maxima. Yeah I could have a got a really cool mustang or a camaro or another supposedly fast POS that would have died at 50k miles. Instead I got a very reliable sports sedan that can carry 5 people and still beat mustangs, civics, and almost any other cars on the road. Drive a couple of saturns, cavaliers, or even cars such as the altima and you will realize how amazing your maxima really is.
DPW
#74
Originally posted by amb4081
You're an ungrateful, spoiled little B!tch. Have you ever paid for anything in your life? My first car was a 1989 Volvo 760 turbo. You're saying the Maxima is unreliable? You say the Euro's are reliable? Maybe you should have gotten that Volvo for your first car. It was in the shop more than it was on the road. And the cost??? Nissan parts are priced WAY BELOW the parts for that car. I don't know how you drive your car, but you must abuse it that thing. I have had NO, ZERO problems with my Maxima. I've had it for two years. As far as availability of performance, what the hell are you doing comparing a 4-door family car to a muscle/sports car like a LS1 camaro? Talk about unreliable and cheap... it has far more reliabiliy issues than the Maxima (check consumer reports)
You are right...you can't compare a Maxima to a BMW. Beamers cost as much and a little more for their 4-bangers. They handle a lot better than the Maxima's. But run a BMW 325 and Maxima (same year) both with similar mods against each other and the Beamer would be crying in pain because it's @ss would get beat so bad. Grow up a little and then make some halfway intelligent remarks. My B!tch session is over.
You're an ungrateful, spoiled little B!tch. Have you ever paid for anything in your life? My first car was a 1989 Volvo 760 turbo. You're saying the Maxima is unreliable? You say the Euro's are reliable? Maybe you should have gotten that Volvo for your first car. It was in the shop more than it was on the road. And the cost??? Nissan parts are priced WAY BELOW the parts for that car. I don't know how you drive your car, but you must abuse it that thing. I have had NO, ZERO problems with my Maxima. I've had it for two years. As far as availability of performance, what the hell are you doing comparing a 4-door family car to a muscle/sports car like a LS1 camaro? Talk about unreliable and cheap... it has far more reliabiliy issues than the Maxima (check consumer reports)
You are right...you can't compare a Maxima to a BMW. Beamers cost as much and a little more for their 4-bangers. They handle a lot better than the Maxima's. But run a BMW 325 and Maxima (same year) both with similar mods against each other and the Beamer would be crying in pain because it's @ss would get beat so bad. Grow up a little and then make some halfway intelligent remarks. My B!tch session is over.
#75
Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
Anyway, I hear you because my first car was a Volvo and a rusty one at that. It's a bit** hoping the car doesn't fail because once it does, you cannot take it to the dealer or any other shop such as Pep Boys etc. The LH Jetronic is impossible for anyone to work on except th eindependent Volvo nut. And unless you are willing to drive to upstate NY or VT, that nut is gonna bust yours with the pricing.
If this forum represented John Q, then the avg age of a Maxima owner would be around 14 and disgruntled. Who buys that **** I'm 14 and earned 20k on my own, c'mon now
I had to go to the alma mater tonight and thank goodness I saw out-of-state plates and beat up cars such as an 88 Acura, Ford Tempo, so on and so forth. At college age a car is not important. What should be priorities are grades and women. Dang the all-star game is here and our school thinks it's gonna beat Yale tonight....whatevuh
#76
drive a stock civic for a week and then drive your max, you will appreciate it then
seriously though, after i got my civic(almost 2 weeks now), i haven't touched the maxima, cause its now my dads daily driver. i got used to the civic a bit, the ride is more rough, and i have to give a lot more gas for some decent acceleration. but then, last night, i took the max out for a spin, and WOW! the difference was amazing. the ride was sooooo smooth and really quiet, and i accidentally WOT'd at a stoplight(got used to pressing accelerator hard from civic) and the tires spun and in no time i was 50mph. the maxima is a damn nice car, even with the psint chips, i like. i like the civic, the quality is nice, and i might want to get an acura next(or another honda), but i would never get rid of the max, i doubt my dad would either.
seriously though, after i got my civic(almost 2 weeks now), i haven't touched the maxima, cause its now my dads daily driver. i got used to the civic a bit, the ride is more rough, and i have to give a lot more gas for some decent acceleration. but then, last night, i took the max out for a spin, and WOW! the difference was amazing. the ride was sooooo smooth and really quiet, and i accidentally WOT'd at a stoplight(got used to pressing accelerator hard from civic) and the tires spun and in no time i was 50mph. the maxima is a damn nice car, even with the psint chips, i like. i like the civic, the quality is nice, and i might want to get an acura next(or another honda), but i would never get rid of the max, i doubt my dad would either.
#77
Before I get any flames..I love my AUTOMATIC MAXIMA.
Why does everyone talk about the maxima likes its the god of the automotive showroom? Oh, this is a MAXIMA FORUM! DUH!
Now, dont get me wrong I love my maxima.
But why does everyone keep saying, "why dont you go for a ride in a civic" or "why dont you go for a ride in <INSERT CAR THAT IS NOT IN MAXIMA CATEGORY OR IS NOT WORTH ANYTHING BY DEFAULT>"? Its like you guys think that we people who like cars other than the maxima would pick crappy cars? "Hmm, this Hyundai seems to be on the same level as a maxima, I think ill go take a ride in it to see if its better!!!" <-? am I right here?
Jeez. And ericdwong was right, since the maxima has SUCH LIMITED support in the aftermarket. The manufactureres can **** US OVER as they wish. Please refer to my post about the Addco RSB in the 4thgen forum. Im not saying other cars dont have this problem, but this car does and thats all im talking about.
Next.
Why does everyone talk about the maxima likes its the god of the automotive showroom? Oh, this is a MAXIMA FORUM! DUH!
Now, dont get me wrong I love my maxima.
But why does everyone keep saying, "why dont you go for a ride in a civic" or "why dont you go for a ride in <INSERT CAR THAT IS NOT IN MAXIMA CATEGORY OR IS NOT WORTH ANYTHING BY DEFAULT>"? Its like you guys think that we people who like cars other than the maxima would pick crappy cars? "Hmm, this Hyundai seems to be on the same level as a maxima, I think ill go take a ride in it to see if its better!!!" <-? am I right here?
Jeez. And ericdwong was right, since the maxima has SUCH LIMITED support in the aftermarket. The manufactureres can **** US OVER as they wish. Please refer to my post about the Addco RSB in the 4thgen forum. Im not saying other cars dont have this problem, but this car does and thats all im talking about.
Next.
#78
Re: Re: WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?!? everyones ditching the maxima?!
Originally posted by Frank Fontaine
turning heads it doesn't and hasn't since about 1996-97.
turning heads it doesn't and hasn't since about 1996-97.
#79
Originally posted by Dave B
Eric-
I can understand you frustration, but you're displacing your anger on Nissan when the real problem is that you just have the wrong car to be building into a drag car. A 10-second Maxima is pretty much a "pipe" dream and a pretty rediculous expectation if you ask me. To run 10-seconds takes some serious power and drivetrain work. It's just not "bolt-on" stuff.
Eric-
I can understand you frustration, but you're displacing your anger on Nissan when the real problem is that you just have the wrong car to be building into a drag car. A 10-second Maxima is pretty much a "pipe" dream and a pretty rediculous expectation if you ask me. To run 10-seconds takes some serious power and drivetrain work. It's just not "bolt-on" stuff.
Aftermarket parts like "valves, rod, and pistons", aren't really needed with the VQ. All these parts are engineered very well. I think you are confusing the Maxima with the Civic line. With the Hondas, "hybrid" is the name of the game. Swapping out heads, pistons, rods, intake manifolds, cams, etc is the norm because they are plentiful and the motors are modular. Companies like JUN and such make some really nice stuff for these cars, but how many people can really afford this stuff? I personally know a guy with a ITR that has lots of JUN equipment in his motor. The ITR is very quick (mid 13s), but he spent $4000 on NA mods and install. Simply throw NOS
Traction bars on the Maxima would be a hilarious joke. Why traction/wheelie bars a sedan? That would be a "rice" first.
http://www.overboost.com/story.asp?id=460
Heavy duty trannies are available, but that's only in auto form. I know of no companies making "heavy duty" late model manual trannies.
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To run quick, you need an automatic. PURE AND SIMPLE and this is something I doubt you would want. Autos are much more consistent and can take LOTS more abuse once the internals are beefed up. Autos are also better on the car as a whole.
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You are mistaken about no 12 second Maximas. Don is running 12.2s in his GXE auto with NOS only and a couple guys are running 12s with SCs. Don's next setup will be deep into the 11s. I'm guessing low 11s around 120mph. I suggest you take some pointers from Don if you really wanted to be quick. It takes LOTS of money to be quick and Don has gone about it the right way. He's beefed up his tranny with better internals, higher stall converter, and his VB upgrade. I believe he is also running a I30 LSD and hardened axles. His nitrous setup is just not you typical bolt up piece. It's a staged system. He uses small slicks at the track to improve gearing. He doesn't need "traction bars" to pull 1.8 60's. He's got all the bolt-on mods and his car looks nearly stock. Low 12s without a SC is incredible regardless if it's a Maxima or not. Recently he bought a used VQ30DE and has cleaned up the heads and lowered the compression. He'll be running NOS and something else that's gonna be pushing some serious air. He has literally made this motor dummy proof. It's gonna be a wicked Maxima. The great thing about Don's Maxima is that it's gonna be completely streetable. All those 11-second and below Civics you see in SCC aren't exactly streets cars. They're loud, high strung, rough idles, no torque, peaky power, and usually gutted interiors. What's the fun in that?
Lets also see how much time and money Don had to spend on making his car that fast. ALOT of money. This is where the cost effectiveness does NOT pay. It still wont change the fact its a FWD sedan either. Just like BriGuy said you can make any car fast with the right time and money. But it gets to a point. I've seen a supercharged Daewoo that had 300 HP. Is that worth it to do? Sure it might be fast, but it's no BMW.
Yes, I doubt Nissan will get my money when it's time to buy another car. I'm not upset with Nissan or the Maxima, I would just like something a little different. I'm probably gonna go with a turbo/AWD setup next.
#80
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Originally posted by roggie93ser96se
ok # 1 wong boy.. if u hate nisan's so much stay off the board..
ok # 1 wong boy.. if u hate nisan's so much stay off the board..
[# 2 if you fixed your tranny right the first time you would'nt have had to drop it a second time mr. wanna be mechanic..
Wanna be mechanic huh? Go ahead and pay somebody else to do the work, that way you can't do anything for yourself and no nothing about your car.
# 3 before I got my nissans i had nothing but "muscle cars", 88 IROC, 93 stang, 67 stang, 95 stang, and except the 67 the were all pretty much POS, my feeling mostly the same as Dave as far as those go...
# 4 heavy front end understeering?? if u learned how to really drive it would'nt be an issue..working for Skip Barber I get to bring my all stock Max on track pretty often..Sebring, Moroso, Homestead, Daytona, Lime Rock, Pocono, the Glen..and you'd be surprised how many 'muscle' cars i can walk away from on a road course, and more expensive faster by magazine #'s european sedans also...sometimes with instructors driving the other cars too.. I'm not all that great.. but i KNOW my Max and i get ALOT of practice at some places with the school's cars also... so no matter how much performance the car got. you gotta first learn how to "drive" Wong..
1/4 mile times are interesting and all but personally I think with practice any monkey can race consistently with practice there..please don't flame me.. I do appreciate the drags too..really...so bottom line Wong ..leave the mechanics to the pros,
by a faster car if
you want to..with YOUR money, but first come to a school and get some classes under your belt..see if you can keep a formula car on the track, and don't flame all nissans cause YOU had problems..not a single problem with my 99k mile driven hard on the street and track Max, or my 140k mile SE-R.. driven the same...
you want to..with YOUR money, but first come to a school and get some classes under your belt..see if you can keep a formula car on the track, and don't flame all nissans cause YOU had problems..not a single problem with my 99k mile driven hard on the street and track Max, or my 140k mile SE-R.. driven the same...