I am thinking about buying a pop charger for my 2002 max. I have read a lot of post about the pop charger,how much should I be paying for it?

I know a lot of people maybe do not care about this but,has any one seen gas milage improvements when using the pop charger
Thanks for help
my max

http://www.geocities.com/jjl2902000/...l?969948203180

 

My gas mileage has went down. Mostly because I am in the gas to hear the growl at 3k RPM. I put on a generic POP Charger that cost $27.

 

Where did you buy your cheapo air filter
Thanks

 

http://www.procarparts.com/ works just fine for me.

 

Thanks

 

My is about the same.

 

pop chargers suck and since your are automatic JJL, you will lose off the line torque (power). I suggest you get a frankercar intake since they dont have cold air intake for the '02's yet.

while this may be better than a popcharger it in noway matches a cold air intake

 

CM you really have become quite the expert lately. I disagree with your statement that POP Chargers "Suck". I think they are definately better than the stock airbox, OSCAI or a K&N drop in. Your statement of off line line power loss has some validity. But since many of the people here are adults here I doubt they are always racing light to light. The VERY little you lose off the line is compensated by what you gain in top end and the superior exhaust sound. I know you are very proud of your CAI but not everybody wants to drill a hole in their fender well. My .02 is if you want a small performance gain and a nice exhaust note above 3k get the POP.

 

I'd say that ALL intakes "suck"

 

I had a CAI before. I now have a hybrid HAI which consist of the PR upper tube(replaces resonator)with filter connection. As far as the losing off the line power, lol...wrong. I haven't noticed any loss of off the line power. Off the line power is awesome in my case. IMO, the power overall is better with this hybrid HAI setup.

 

I'll second Cumalot's comment. I have the hybrid HAI and I also drive a 5spd so I noticed no loss when I put my pop on. I also didn't want to drill into my fenderwell :/
-hype

 

Ditto

 

That's just cause you can't afford one























Or are you that guy who did all those experiments w/intakes?

 

I agree totally. Craig Mack doesnt get it that the POP and CAI show almost identical gains. I guess this is a difficult concept for a person who couldnt attach a Stillen Lip properly.

 

Thanks for bein a dlckhead, dlckhead

Is someone too scared to cut into their fender well ? Not enough knowledge to do the job ? Can't afford it? Awweee.

Actually, I used to own a popcharger before I put my CAI in. So what you say doesn't mean SHAT to me becuase I felt the gains and lags and you didn't.

And BTW my new lip should be here anyday now. I am sorry you are ****, I guess that's what happens when you have the ugliest taillights in the world

 

You are going by your butt dyno, which isn't accurate. My tailights might be ugly but thats all you would be seeing if we were to race. I would probably see a Stillen Lip flying off in my rearview mirror.

 

No you would see me puking from having those hideous tails in my face

Butt dyno is accurate when I feel it. And if you read my previous post you'd know I said I don't care what you think about it, becuase I have both intakes.

 

ouch! stop fighting guys

 

Yes i dont wanna cut a hole in my fender because my car is still under factory warranty. If you can install a CAI, I would have no problem. I have done my springs, intake, and Y-pipe myself.

 

Craig don't take the thread so seriously. I have posted on many threads with you stating how CAIs aren't for everyone, yet you continue to cite that CAI is the ONLY good intake. Pop chargers have their place in the world just as CAIs do, but when people read posts that say CAIs are the only way to go it can be misleading. Many people don't read the board very often so they believe everything they read. Sooner or later you get burned with the "my way is the right way attitude"
-hype

 

I have had both intakes too (on my old 96)

I don't judge performance differences by my butt though

 

Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of people on MaximaDriver.com dyno and field test the results and find that a POP is more benneficial performance wise than a CAI?

Reason being the CAI intake is only good for racing applications when the revs and velocity of the air are CONSTANTLY up. But for everyday driving, it slows you down considerably.

A POP charger also hinders performance because of the hot air being intook. However, with a radient heatshield and some sort of cold air tubing, that would be the optimal set-up.

And the most confusion is when SOUND get's confused with PERFORMANCE. The CAI does sound better, but it doesn't mean it performs better.

 

Wow! I am proud of you !

I have also done my springs, calipers, FSTB, intake, clears, tails, ect myself. I feel special now!

XhypeX: If you didn't know by now I joke around alot. When I say CAI is the ONLY way to go, I am not serious. For a newbie with little cash a cheep popcharger (procarparts) is a cool mod. But when you get to the big leagues CAI is the way to go

 

oh yea..."big leauges" eh? How bout you race me with my POPCHARGER and we'll see who is in the "big leauges"

 

Proud of not knowing how to properly attach a body kit and claiming that a V6 mustang is fast.

 

Leagues..

Now off with you, quit pickin' on the auto's

 

It's not too easy when you don't recieve ANY instructions, bolts, tape, ect. and have to guess.

2000 V6 stang 5spds do 0-60 in about 7 seconds. Now, doesn't the 2k maxima 5spds do 0-60 in just that

The guy I was referring to has headers, superchip, CAI, downpipe, straight pipes from there, Short throw shifter, ect.

So I am guessing he is in the mid-low 6 second range speed wise. He would most likely beat you in a race, although I don't know exactly what mods you have.

And yes I do give him crap about supping up a v6 stang, he woulda been faster stock with a V8, but o well..it's kinda like him giving me crap for supping up my family car.

 

now that was just rude...I'm sorry I can't type perfectly all the time on an INTERNET FORUM. You don't have to point it out..or maybe someone will start following you around on these fourms and every time you have a spelling or grammer slip they'll call you on it.

 

Did you not notice the ?

 

yea...and that made it even worse....good job

 

The fastest N/A Maximas have POP Chargers. 'Nuff said.

 

DING DING DING!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!

 

You know, you would think people would notice that, but they seem to ignore that fact. Even the people that say a CAI is better for an auto, because of low end, are not looking either. Look at the time in my sig. It will be 14's soon enough too. Look at the list of names for fast times, here's a few:

Nealoc187
VeeTec
TheBlue
myself

They all have what intake?

People complain about our long intake runners, and how they hurt top end, but are good for low and mid range power. What happens when you put on a CAI?....you lengthen the path for air even more, thus hurting top end even more. It makes perfect sense to me.

 

Buy you know the CAI is louder right?? I mean it has to be better?? It is more expensive and everything!!!












(what am I saying... I am one of the poor fool that bought both of them for my old 96 SE)

 

add ejj, briguymax, vqdriver, and max7 to that list. i'm sensing a pattern here. sorry for not using any capital letters, i'm real lazy right now.

 

Add me to the list too. Even though I might not have that fast of a time, I've always known that the popcharger was better and have always supported the popcharger.

And it was proven when I ran side by side with another Max that had a CAI... kept pulling on him.

 

Yep, now we have just have to wait for the CAI guys rebutal???

 

butt dyno's are worthless boys

 

That's why your claim has no validity lol We aren't using our butts, we are using the track