4th gen vs 5th gen....ok ill settle this: 3RD GEN

 

Wow, you really need to relax. The Org. is great for friendly controversy but this is out of place. We are all here to benefit and help each other in the long run.

 

I'm a proud owner of a 2k GXE and don't get me wrong I'd rather own it than a 4th gen. But, I also think the 4th gen was on to something in the looks department. In the end I'm going for a three bay garage and a 78 - 88 Porsche 911 for the weekends.

 

BTW, that's a sweeet looking 4th gen you got there...

 

Thanks... I spend half my money just trying to maintain the damn thing (paint, door dings, a/c compressor blowing out, etc.) ! lol

 

Mystical2k2SE so for 17k you got 60hp and hid's great bargan.

 

 

I thought I would respond since I'm the roommate of perfectmax. I've got the 5gen auto and hes the 4gen 5 spd. We have gone out two seperate times and raced and he has taken me both times. We have similar mods for the most part. The second race was probably the closest, he dropped the clutch and had a good launch. I didnt power brake but I did manually shift my auto to get closer to redline. Up to 105, he stayed about half a car length ahead of me, thats when he started slowly pulling away and I shut down cause the road was running out. Im pretty happy that my auto thats supposed to be high 7.7 can run right with a 4gen manual with similar mods thats supposed to be running 6.7 to 60. His heavier wheels may have played a part in the race, but for the look, they are worth it.

 

Just to clear it up, 1995 maximas all had OBD2.

 

thanks

 

Well, stock for stock a VE auto will run even or take out a VQ auto. I have personally ran even, and pulled my nose out in front for the win. And stock for stock a VE 5 speed will take a VQ 5 speed. So there!

 

ummm.. anyone want to comment on this or should I butt in?

 

If I'm not mistaken, don't the 3rd Gen's actually weigh more than the 4th Gen's while also having less torque?

 

Yes and I do believe that 0-60 times for that car is around 8.8 seconds (automatic). According the various magazines, the 4th gen is 199lbs lighter than a similar 3rd gen. Then it gained 200lbs for the 5th gen. 5th gen is the porkiest

 

I dont know where you got that 8.8? But it is 7.7 for auto and around 7 for the 5 speed. Certain 3rd gens weigh more that 4th gens, and some are the same weight, depending on models. They are not as heavy as 5th gens. But due tothe *Ahem*VLSD*Ahem* that the VE's have. I am pretty certain 5 speed for 5 speed the VE will get the launch. Also, due to the VTC the VE really kicks **** on the top end.
95 5 speed 15.6
92 5 speed 15.5

Remember you the VE has less torque than the VQ, but the VTC system really helps. And lets the 190lb ft of torque and 190hp flow very well.

This should of been a post on why 4th gen owners try to clown on 3rd gens. Because if you ask anyone real Nissan fan, the 3rd gens are a whole different ball game. Lets not start with build quality.

 

ok....

 

Ok...Find a VE 5 speed and see for yourself. Just dont take it to the twisties, you will get eaten alive.

 

I'm a VQ auto and I've race many VE auto's...thats why I'm saying yeah ok...

The only thing I think shines on the 3rd gen is the suspension setup, but only on bumpy sections. I don't want to get into the arguement of lixe-axle vs. IRS

 

Speaking of 3rd Gen VE 5spd's, I ran into one a few weekends back. He whizzed by me at like 90 in a 50 and then whadayaknow he turns off my way and gets on this really long highway onramp/bridge type thing going uphill. It was black with a spoiler, and I could tell it was a 5spd from how the tail bounced a bit on shifts. He stomped on it going up the long ramp and I had no problems running him down from way back.

But anyways, I have respect for 3rd Gen's. The 3rd Gen Maxima with the VE is what originally got me into cars and made me an auto enthusiast close to 10 years ago now

 

So whats the word? You telling me i cant shift??? lol

 

Thanks you guys. That is all we ask for is your respect, and you have showed that. Oh BTW, I am a big fan of the VQ dont get me wrong. But Bryan H doing a 13.8 N/A with his VE 5 speed and a 13.3 with NOS is very impressive.

 

What? Who? You VE guys just gained my complete respect.
-Cyrus

 

VE's have my respect, but when you say auto VE will take an auto VQ/ 5speed VE will take a 5speed VQ, come on! They are to close in performance its all about the driver.

But then you said VE kicks **** in the top end, drive a 5th gen VQ...

 

So 3rd Gen VE 5spd's have VLSD? Didn't know that...sweet. Is that on a US car though or is that Canadian?

 

no

 

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Squishy ran 13.8 on NOS and he never ran 13.3

stop smoking man..

and i don't know where you get VQ 5spds runing 15.5

 

the 1995 Maximas produced in late 1994 had OBDI .. the second Batch of 1995 Maxima's produced in 1995 had OBDII

 

gracias.

 

I completely agree 100%, I think the 5th gen interior feels alot cheaper as well, for example, the power door lock switch.

 

15.5's are more inline with VQ auto's. So I guess by his times for the VE's (15.4) the VQ auto should be equal with the VE 5speed

(I know thats not true so don't flame me )

I'm pretty sure VQ 5speeds run high 14's/low 15's (14.7-15.2) for both 4th and 5th generation.

Isn't the best that VE owners can muster out of their cars in the 1/4mile is low 15's stock? If you ran 14's stock, speak up VE owners. Auto's are running high 15's(good condition with XX,XXXmiles)/low-mid 16's. If you feel my facts are flawed, correct me.

Oh topend pull dilly, I think both 4th gen 5speed and 3rd gen VE 5speed have similar top speed(137-142mph). I'm sure many will argue with what I've just said but I'm going by magazine quotes, they have accurate GPS, and not by what the speedometer says.

 

It feels solid and functions, I think thats good enough

 

Power door lock switch? LOL! That was a great feature compared to not even having one on the 4th gen!

 

Yeah it is good enough, but it doesn't feel as "solid and functional" as the one in my 97. And people don't get all offended, I didn't say that to stir anything up.

 

I don't think it's 4th gen owners and really I don't follow autos at all. Would I rather have one if I were to trade-in my car? Sure, you get penalized for having a stick. But would I rather drive one? No way.

The only thought that comes to mind from a 5-spd owner is 1) why get an auto if a 6-spd is available, and 2) it's a 4-spd auto when most nice cars have 5-spd autos these days, like the RS-X. So Maxima needs an alternative to what it has avail. in the clutchless cars.

 

Well, czar ran a 14.8 with just a pop and advanced timing. And Matt93se is running 15.0 flat with a CAI, and advanced timing, and a 155mph top speed video to show that the VE's top speed is not 142mph. And the VE(US) all came with VLSD auto and 5 speed. Sprintmax...


Within about 2 years I will show you guys a VE running 13's N/A. Too all you haters but to all of you that respect, thank you.

 

Stock VQ 5speeds have ran faster than those times you mentioned. 155mph in a stock VE? Is that what the speedo shows? Because its probably not accurate. Most of us, including me, have respect for the VE.

Now your being Misscleo with your prediction No one's doubting the VE performance, but you have to admit the times VQ owners have been getting are just as fast if not faster than VE owners. Thats what you need to understand.

 

now this thing turned into VEvsVQ

 

Wouldn't have been if someone wouldn't have claimed this and that

 

Sprintmax I realize this is the internet, where peabrained idiots like you thrive on telling strangers to shut up. So I will no longer respond to your rubbish. Run along and play now.

This forum would be so much better if certain regular posters would just lighten up. I'm going back to the Honda sites, they have more fun.