MaximumMax

As far as I understand, the 4th gen and 5th gen (manual and manual) 0-60 times (6.6s) and 1/4mi times (~15s) are pretty much equal, all factors being equal (i.e. same driver, stock).

My question is: if the 4th gen has less hp and torque than the 5th gen, how is it that the older 4th gen is able to hang with the newer 5th gen?

mzmtg

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The 4th gen weighs less.



And 4th gens just own....

pro

Yes it's because of the weight. That is why I would never get the 2000-2001. I would wait to get the 2002.
Paul

Bags

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5th gen



HAHAHAHAHAHA

djPlayboy

the 2002 weighs a lil more than the 2000

IMO the 5th gen looks better

yes i own a 5th gen, i also drive a 4th gen

craaaazzy

on no u didn't...LOL
wanna head to the track again baggy?

ChillWill2000

Yea its the extra weight. the extra hp and the weight cancel each other out.

btw the 5th gen looks much better than the 4th. I can say this,ive owned bolth

Bags

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yeah, you only get to use 2 gears 2nd AND Reverse

Maximan190

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4th gen and 5th gen3rd gen


there, settled

dmontzsta

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Nissan put alot more time and money into the 5th gen, but still not as much as the 3rd gen, but they are bringing that 3rd gen era back, sloooowly! 5th gen all the way.

ReichMax97

Both the 4th and 5th Gen. look pretty good IMO, well the SE's, I really don't like the less sporty look of most GLE's and GXE's but I like the look of just about any gen. SE maxima. My only complaint about the 5th gen. look is the rear which I think looks pretty bad, although the 2002 maxima rear with the lights looks a little bit better. Just my opinion though.

Max_Gator

Ah, but above 5k rpms in 3rd/4th - 5th gen definitely owns.

SteVTEC

4th Gen's: Better low/mid-range power and lighter weight, but weak(er) top-end. Don't mess with a 4th Gen around town because you'll get owned.

5th Gen's: Superior top-end power (thanks to variable intake manifold) for longer highway drags, but less low/mid-range power than 4th Gen's. Don't mess with a 5th Gen on the highway because you'll get owned. 5th Gen's are highway beasts

Both 4th Gen's and 5th Gen's seem to be about equal in terms of 1/4 mile performance in that they both seem to run low-15's for the most part stock with a few hitting high-14's stock.

MiniRX7

As an owner for both a 99 SE and 02 SE (well the 99 being my moms),

I will have to say that the 99 OWNS..

I think the 99 has better turning radius, more nimble, better looking exterior, and better looking interior..

But the only thing that the 02 is better in is the drivetrain, HID"s and more features..

ED

craaaazzy

if that's all it takes to beat ya, then i'm satisfied...hehe

Craig Mack

I agree with SteVTEC, low end grunt definatally belongs to the 4th gen.

Besides the 2k2, no Maxima can touch the 0-60 time of the 1995 GXE 5-speed. (6.5 seconds)

Max_Gator

And, one more point. . . not all 4th gens are created equal. 95/96 have the big weight benefit. When nissan beefed up the bumper after 96 - 4th gens got slower.

irvine78

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uh...not really the same...5th gens are tad bit quicker..0-60 times and 1/4 may be close, but 5th gens have more top end..it'll pull on 4 th gens in 4th gear..(pity, u hardly ever use ur 4th if ur doing 0-60 or 1/4 mile)

Craig Mack

bah...you know all the chicks and dummy's rate a car by how fast it "feels". And this type of power is typically associated with the down low power band. (ie V8 stangs/camaros)

The bottom line is that no one cares about 4th gear

MAX2000JP

What are you talking about? 0-60 4th and 5th gens are identical. Dont rely so much on car-stats.com so much. In real life on the streets, thats the facts

Craig Mack

I'm not relying on car stats or the mags, becuase they all got 7 0-60 for 5th gens.

So are you saying stock 2000-2001 5th gen 5spds will do 6.5 0-60 stock?

MAX2000JP

Again....you got that 6.5 from car-stats.com. If you want to be a mag racer then look at MT's test of the 2k 5 speed which does it in 6.7. Wow, .2 difference in 0-60!!! Temperature, launch, humidity, and the weight of the driver can all be different. On the street, a 4th gen and 5th gen are neck and neck 0-60.

Craig Mack

.2 could be like 1/2 car length lead

So, basically you are calling BS on me and SteVTEC's statements that 4th gen have better low end torque/grunt and therefore equal power as a 5th gen?

SteVTEC

uh-oh, here comes the next 4th gen vs 5th gen flame thread.

nomineisfasterDAMMIT!!!

Just enjoy your cars, and save the flames for the Acura boys

MAX2000JP

No he is correct the 4th gen pulls harder down low in the RPM range. BUT, the 5th gen pulls harder 5k-redline making up for the low end superiority of the 4th gen.

Craig Mack

Me and Max2000JP are just discussing.

Seriously though, i'd like to know if 5th Gens have the SAME amount of low end power as the 4th gens...becuase there never has been a straight answer.

MAX2000JP

Im just trying to tell Craig not to rely so much on Mag times. Both cars are nearly indentical 0-60 and down the 1/4. The 5th Gens VIAS makes it stronger at speeds above 100 or from a highway roll.

Craig Mack

Ok...that basically answers my question.

Craig Mack

It's not that I rely on them so much, becuase I KNOW real people on this board have gotten better. Nealoc ran a 14.8 in his stock '95 5spd which would be like 6.3-6.4 0-60.

I've always had a feeling the 7 0-60 for the 5th gen was BS. I agree about the 5th gens having better highway pull becuase of their intake. Maybe the VIAS is the reason for some of the lost low end?

Either Maxima is a FAST maxima. Seriously, i've even got a compliment from a cop one time telling me to keep it safe becuase maxima's are fast cars.

Something all 4th and 5th gens can agree on is that the 3rd gen will always be in our rear view mirrors struggling to keep up.

MAX2000JP

Neal, BriGuyMax, and I are going to the track this Tuesday, so we can see who is faster. Neal and I both have JWT intakes and Cattman Y-pipes as our only mods. I think I am gonna get beat for 2 reasons....Neal's a better driver and his car weighs 500 lbs (95 GXE with lightweight Kosei's and CF hood) less than my fat 5th gen.

Dave B

I'd have to say both cars are pretty equal. I don't believe the 5th gen has any better topend pull. If it did, it would trap out higher in the 1/4 mile than the 4th gens. I haven't seen one ounce of proof concerning that issue. As for the 5th gen lacking lowend, the 2000-2001 actually makes better torque down low and more hp thru out, but the added weight sucks out the performance. Especially in the lower mphs.

A 4th gen with a VI owns every model year, including the 2002

Dave

Craig Mack

Dave B check your PM's

MAX2000JP

Ive always heard that the top of 3rd gear and above is where the 5th gen will pull on a 4th gen. I happen to believe this from looking at a few dyno's of a 4th and 5th gen. 4th gens make there peak hp ~ 5,500 RPMS and then it trails off. 5th gens on the other hand make their peak hp right at redline. Gearing is the same on both cars, so there is no added variable there. To determine which car is faster top end you would run from about 80-125. During this run the 5th gen would be in its powerband more of the time.

Max_Gator

Put down the pipe dave!

The 5th clearly has a substantial topend advantage. Now, once you open up the breathing on the 4th gen, it gets a lot closer. I don't have a 4th gen dyno handy but I'd bet stock 5th v. stock 4th, that the 5th is puttin 30 more hp to the ground above 6k.

MAX2000JP

John here is my friend Simon's 4th Gen 5 speed with Full exhaust, Intake, and UDP.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...32542903WQASVa

MONTE 01&97 SE

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I agree with you, I just dont see it or feel it, I had a 01 before it was totalled and it was slower than my 97 from a start and at highway speeds it was no quicker. All the mag. times from 30-50 and 50-70mph jaunts the 4th gens produced better times than early 5th gens. Now my 02 thats a different story!

Nealoc187

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30-50 and 50-70 runs are a) hardly "highway speeds" and b) done in top gear, aka 5th in our cars. They don't mean diddly squat when talking about one car's prowess on the highway. On tuesday Brian and Jason and I will do a highway run, and I expect we'll see Jason's taillights once we really get moving.

SteVTEC

If Dave B is correct in that both 4th Gen's and 5th Gen's trap out about the same, maybe that's because the 5th Gen is just getting going at around 90 mph. (this is my theory)

Below 90 the 4th Gen is enjoying its lighter weight and meatier mid-range powerband. But after 90 it starts wheezing because it's above 5000rpm pretty much all the time w/o VTC's and W/O a VIAS. Meanwhile the 5th Gen is enjoying its VIAS and making significantly more power (more than enough to overcome the extra weight) than the 4th Gen.

Highway beasts won't necessarily show their might in the 1/4 mile. It's beyond the 1/4 mile where they really shine.

Max_Gator

And here's the link to my dyno with pop charger and ypipe. At redline, my car is putting down at least 40 hp more to the wheels (I'm figuring his I/E/UDP is same as my I/Y).

(don't look at the blue run 11 - that was after I added the udp and after my vias went bad. Look at run 5).

When I'm talking top end, I'm saying 3rd and 4th gear from 5000+ rpms up. The advantage is not so big in 1st and 2nd because you don't stay there that long.

I'm not in any way bashing the 4th gens - I have a 96 auto too.

costcowholesale

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how big? 50lb? its not that much.