Dave B

Woodear, you're not right. Misinformed, yes. You're way too much of a magazine racer.


Dave

WoodEar

Ok, please give a simple "Yes" or "No" answer to the following question.

Do you think, if driver skill being equal and both cars stock, rolling start from 100mph, a GS400 will pull away from a Cobra?

Only "yes" or "no" please.

Dave B

Nope.

WoodEar

So mind you explaining someting to me?

Here is your own words:
"Believe me, your GS400 wouldn't stand a chance against Cobra from a stop to 140mph race...assuming the guy can drive decently. From a roll at 70mph, it would be close."

Now, you are saying, rolling start from 70mph, the Cobra and GS400 are close, right? Because Cobra runs out of breath on high speed due to the poor gearing, right?
So what happens at 100+? Cobra all of sudden got strong again???

Keven97SE

Stand back, everyone's talking out of their a$$es again.

Why do we get into these stupid "what if" debates? Please tell me. Are we that bored? If so, I'd suggest doing something a little more productive like WORKING or STUDYING or GETTING DRUNK. Just a suggestion.

WoodEar

I was wondering about the same thing
What's up with this "WHAT IF a Cobra has the correct gearing... blah blah blah".
I mean why not just dream about "WHAT IF a R35 Skyline will come to US as LHD, twinturbo with 550 stock horse power and under $35k"

[Edited by WoodEar on 12-06-2000 at 11:19 AM]

WoodEar

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by doug
am I on that list? Nah.
you said yourself before you know how to deal with me, you will see my post but don't see it, you aren't like those who gets all upset on an internet post. you are better than that.

jgadlage

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My plan is working wonderfully "Excellent" in the voice of Mr. Burns.

I don't know what happened here. This thing just blew up.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yo_its_ok
[I]JUSTIN WHAT DID YOU START ??
As for Woodear...you talk too much....ya never shut up..

Dave B

I said it would be close, but I didn't say the Cobra would lose. Both the Cobra and your cherished 6 speed 540 both trap out in the 1/4 mile at 100-102mph. That to me says the Cobra can hold it's own against a 540 in the topend. What's even more impressive about the Cobra is that it tops out at 115 in 3rd gear which means the Cobra is right in its powerband at 95mph and will pull hard to 115mph. 4th gear isn't bad and it will pull pretty good. A Cobra vs a GS400 is gonna be close, but the Cobra will walk away slowly. I don't know where you get the idea the Cobra runs out of breath. The Cobra is a DOHC 4.6 V8 with 300hp and 300 ft/lbs of torque, has a 7000 rpm redline, and weighs 3300-3400lbs. It tops out in the mid to high 150mph range. Where do you get your info? The Cobra has a much better power to ratio than the GS400 plus the Cobra is a 5 speed manual, therefore it's not gonna give up near as much power thru drivetrain loss as the GS400. I'm not surprised you pulled on a Cobra in your M because of it's excellent power to weight ratio, but your GS400 won't.

I also don't understand your hang up with the gears in a Cobra. They don't add any hp or torque. It's not a power adder nor is it a expensive mod. It's not like I'm saying "well if you throw a ICON twin turbo, then you'd be toast". I'm talking about a mod that is as typical as an intake is to us Maxima guys. The only difference is that the gears will drop a Cobras et by .3-.5 in the 1/4 mile and it will make the Cobra a wicked topend machine. Please go to http://www.corral.net and learn more about these cars. I can see you are strictly a import/European car kind of a guy.


Dave

WoodEar

>>> Both the Cobra and your cherished 6 speed 540 both trap out in the 1/4 mile at 100-102mph. That to me says the Cobra can hold it's own against a 540 in the topend.

But 102mph is not topend in my definition, topend race, is more like a 100-150mph race to see who is got more pulling power. Now, do you think Cobra can is faster than a 540 from 100-150??

>>> A Cobra vs a GS400 is gonna be close, but the Cobra will walk away slowly.

Now how do you back that claim up??
Did you ever pull away from a GS400 in a Cobra at 100+? If not, then you are magazine racing more than I do, because at least I have some sort of reference, which is a GS400 kills a M roadster on topend, and a M roadster is faster than a Cobar on highend. So A is greater than B, B is greater than C, thus A is greater than C.

>>> I'm not surprised you pulled on a Cobra in your M because of it's excellent power to weight ratio, but your GS400 won't.

Wait, talking about power to weight ratio.
A M roadster weights 3100 lbs with 240hp, that's 12.9 lb/hp ratio.
A Cobra weights 3400 lbs with 300hp, that's 11.3 lb/hp ratio.
So Cobra has a MUCH better power to weight ratio, then why would a M pulls on a Conra???
Also, did you know that my GS400(driven by my gf) managed to pull away from my M roadster(driven by me) on highway at high speed?

>>> I also don't understand your hang up with the gears in a Cobra. They don't add any hp or torque. It's not a power adder nor is it a expensive mod. It's not like I'm saying "well if you throw a ICON twin turbo, then you'd be toast". I'm talking about a mod that is as typical as an intake is to us Maxima guys. The only difference is that the gears will drop a Cobras et by .3-.5 in the 1/4 mile and it will make the Cobra a wicked topend machine. Please go to http://www.corral.net and learn more about these cars.

I understand that 100%, but again we were talking about stock cars, so it's sillyto argue with "if Cobra has this and that, then it will blah blah..".

>>> I can see you are strictly a import/European car kind of a guy.

Not really, I wouldn't mind a Viper at all.
I don't hate Dotriot muscle car, I just think they are fast(like low 13's for CamaroSS, Firebird WS6... that's fast) in 1/4m, but that's achived by V8 with big displacemt, that being said, they still choke beyond 120, compared to those 3.X L 6 cyl imports like E46 M3 and NSX and 911 Carerra likes(They are right there with you in 1/4m doing low 13's and then simply walk away from you after that).
That sucks if you ask me.

MaxiPad96

Im with Woodear on his disliking of doug. He is in fact a little douchbag with only online friends.. Lets here it for him, a real stand up guy.

Phil02E46

muuuwhahahhahaha u really like him don't u

Dave B

My experience with the GS400 is this. I walked 3 of them from 70-130mph when I had my modded 94 Z28 automatic. My Z28 ran 13.4s@104mph. When I raced stock Cobras with my modded Z28 from a highway roll, my Z28 would walk the Cobra till about 100mph and they would pass me and get about 2 cars on me by 130mph. You are truely misinformed if you think musclecars like the Cobra or LT1/LS1 F-Body stops pulling after 120mph. What a joke. My friend easily walked a 6 speed 540 in his bonestock 98 SS 6 speed. It really wasn't even funny how quickly we were walking this guy after 110mph.

Why does your M Roadster pull on a Cobra? Hmmmmm.....do ya think it could be the GEARING? What's that Roadster got for a rear gear? A 4.40 series gear or something? It's called torque multiplication. Something the stock Cobra lacks.


Dave

Mr. Rose

I sure am glad I don't have any GS400s around to race, Cause I'd get my TAIL beat every day. I mean these cars are some fast, speedy, get up and GO mommas! I can't imagine how I'd feel if I saw taillights from a LEXUS at 140mph. That by itself would scare me sensless. I'd feel so pathetic if that happened. You know I need to get me a BIG O' LEXUS too. And then maybe I can finaly rock someones world. Don't you agree? Now lets think, If I had a LEXUS I could cary all my friends, groceries, hold a conversation in the car, drive in the fastest 4Door I know of and look the PIMP the whole time. I'm game; I'm selling all I own and buying one of these *****'s! AbsoFrickenLutely! Just imagine the view I would see in my LEXUS rearview mirror when I got one. The poor chump that would by my COBRA would be looking at my deckplate.........
<img src ="http://www.geocities.com/jrose_78154/COBRAGril2.jpg">

FLAME ON! This is FUN.

Ryan93SE

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when are you ever gonna do this?.... I dont know about you but i dont daily drive on a motor speedway. the 0-60 and 50-80 times matter

WoodEar

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by yo_its_ok

>>> It was a joke you monkey....

Sorry it wasn't funny you fu*khead.

>>> only way I get pissed off is when I blow over $4000 in 3 Q45 motors only to find that they all have some problem preventing me from putting one into my customers car.

Woah, the Q45 motor is fu*king cheap!

>>> Your constant blabbering....don't mean s*** to me

Obviously it did otherwise you wouldn't have replied to me.

>>> Got Other Fish to Fry...

Be careful, the oil might be hot.

WoodEar

Nah, my suggestion is, go straight for the E55 if possible, GS400 is **** compared to a E55. Don't waste your money on it.

WoodEar

>>> My experience with the GS400 is this. I walked 3 of them from 70-130mph when I had my modded 94 Z28 automatic. My Z28 ran 13.4s@104mph. When I raced stock Cobras with my modded Z28 from a highway roll, my Z28 would walk the Cobra till about 100mph and they would pass me and get about 2 cars on me by 130mph.

No problem, so you should have said this from the beginning as your supporting reference.

>>> You are truely misinformed if you think musclecars like the Cobra or LT1/LS1 F-Body stops pulling after 120mph.

Again, it has nothing to do with misinform.
I already stated twice why I think they suck on topend, because GS4 beats a M roadster and a M beats a Cobra on topend.

>>> What a joke. My friend easily walked a 6 speed 540 in his bonestock 98 SS 6 speed. It really wasn't even funny how quickly we were walking this guy after 110mph.

What can I say?
You have your reference to indicate the Cobra has better topend, I have my reference to indicate otherwise.
So how about this, if you have a Cobra owner friend live near NYC, feel free to refer me to them, and I will race them 100-150 to see who is pulling on who, ok? Don't take it as a war or something, I am just interested to find out the truth.

>>> Why does your M Roadster pull on a Cobra? Hmmmmm.....do ya think it could be the GEARING? What's that Roadster got for a rear gear? A 4.40 series gear or something? It's called torque multiplication. Something the stock Cobra lacks.

There you go, you said yourself, gearing. So hp-weight ratio isn't the only factor determines how fast a car is. Now, if the gearing on a Cobra sucks, why can't a GS400 be faster on topend despite a worse hp/weight ratio???
Btw, just fyi, the gearing on M roadster:
1/2/3/4/5/R --- 4.21/2.49/1.66/1.24/1.00/3.85
Final Drive Ratio --- 3.23
Now, is this considered a 4.40 series gear?

Lastly, no matter who is faster on topend, Cobra or GS400, my initial point is still valid, that's for the numbers of cyl and size of displacement the Detroit muscle car has, their performance isn't worth bragging about at all. So what if a Camaro SS did pull on a 2 ton sedan 540? Go race a real import sports car such as 911 Carerra, NSX and E46 M3, and prepare to get your door blown off from 0-170.

WoodEar

Pleasure is all mine

WoodEar

6am(so you can see) on NSP or LIE(past exit 65).
And I think you should change you subject to "let's say a Cobra could keep up with the GS400". Muhahaha
Btw the last time I did 140 on highway, was last Nov on the way LI, I was racing a M coupe, and yes, I did pull on him.

RussMaxManiac

Nonono, **** a Lexus, its SLOW...this is fast!<img src="http://grendel.med.harvard.edu/~s3/bmw3.jpg">

4 door too if wanted!

WoodEar

Ugh... isn't that a normal 3 series? how fast is that?
This is the sedan that's fast:
<img src="http://www.renntechmercedes.com/cars/eclass/ev12.jpg">
talk about spanking a Viper with style.

CoolMax

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It's the price they provide this performance that's worth bragging about. Surely anyone can build a muscle car, but here we have someone who already does.

btw, how much more does the 540 weigh? Is it really THAT much?
And each of those cars is 2x the price. But you get what you pay for.

WoodEar

taxation does play a factor though on import, a NSX isn't $90k in Japan.
also the ones i mentioned are expensive because they are luxury or exotic brand. just like the C5 vette, is also 2x the price of a camaro/Firebird which has equal performance.
i think a 540 with fluid and driver will be over 4k lbs, 2 ton is just a saying.

[Edited by WoodEar on 12-06-2000 at 10:18 PM]

RussMaxManiac

M3..

WoodEar

M3.. [/I][/QUOTE]

Ugh no that's not a M3.
This is the M3:
<img src="http://www.bmwworld.8m.com/models/m3/m3c_800.html">
Look at the difference at the front bumper airdam, your pic is a E46 3 series.
wheels are different also.

[Edited by WoodEar on 12-06-2000 at 10:26 PM]

CoolMax

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So how much more will a 540 with fluid and driver than a Z28 SS with fluid and driver?
How much does the NSX cost in Japan? I don't think taxation plays a big enough factor. Perhaps in this special case (NSX).
The ones you mentioned are more expensive, but how about racing a real import racer that's not as expensive?
How does the C5 factor in? It can hold its own in that crowd. I thought this was cheap Detroit muscle vs. the world?

WoodEar

>>> So how much more will a 540 with fluid and driver than a Z28 SS with fluid and driver?

That depends on how much the Z28 SS weight.

>>> How much does the NSX cost in Japan?

Less than here, around $55k.

>>> I don't think taxation plays a big enough factor. Perhaps in this special case (NSX).

Depends on the definition of "big".

>>> The ones you mentioned are more expensive, but how about racing a real import racer that's not as expensive?

To me there isn't a real import racer that's not expensive.

>>> How does the C5 factor in?

I mentioned the C5 to show your the prestige factor that influnce the price.
a 911 is more expensive than Cobra not only because it's a better car, also because it's a Porsche. You do pay for the name, the same goes for the C5.

CoolMax

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I assumed you knew for a fact that the SS was significantly light than the 540i and therefore made the reference and comparison.

Bah...the C5 still a Chevy. Can IRS, added goodies, and different body material alone account for the ~$10k premium over a top of the line SS/WS6. Curious as to how much the C5 prestige adds to the price...

MAX2000JP

A 540i 6 speed will smoke a Cobra on the highway anyday. As for a GS400 beating a M roadster i doubt that. I raced a GS400 in a 98 740iL. Keep in mind that the 7 series is a lot heavier and that the 98 Engine is only 310 ft lbs instead of the newer 324. We both punched it from about 70 to about 130 on my speedometer. The GS only had a quarter of a car. As for 0-150, I remember a few years back Car and Driver did this test and a 540i topped the Z28 SS and even a 911 Carrera, if memory serves me right. I personaly have little respect for Lexus. The new LS430 is a blatent copy of the last generations S Class. Lexus has been copying Mercedes for the last five years. I see Lexus as a glorified Toyota. Personally, ill stick with BMW and Mercedes. My advice is if u see a Benz or BMW V8 or V12 on the highway, dont mess with it, cause german cars are built to run at those speeds.

WoodEar

>>> A 540i 6 speed will smoke a Cobra on the highway anyday.

Dave B. is gonna say this is a joke

>>> As for a GS400 beating a M roadster i doubt that.

My own GS400 beat my own M roadster after 100, my GS400 beat a M coupe after 100, believe it or not.

>>> I raced a GS400 in a 98 740iL. Keep in mind that the 7 series is a lot heavier and that the 98 Engine is only 310 ft lbs instead of the newer 324.

Wrong, the '98 740iL DOES have 324 lb-ft of torque.
In fact for 740, they never had 310 lb-ft, back in '95 when they had 4.0L V8 it was 295 lb-ft, after that it's all 324.

>>> We both punched it from about 70 to about 130 on my speedometer. The GS only had a quarter of a car.

I suppose that's wrong, but that doesn't prove GS400 can't pull on a M roadster.

>>> As for 0-150, I remember a few years back Car and Driver did this test and a 540i topped the Z28 SS and even a 911 Carrera, if memory serves me right.

I remember that artical too, but prolly not the 911.

>>> I personaly have little respect for Lexus. The new LS430 is a blatent copy of the last generations S Class. Lexus has been copying Mercedes for the last five years. I see Lexus as a glorified Toyota.

I don't disagree.
You get what you pay for. My dream sedan is still a '98-'99 S600, those things goes for over $120k new, a LS400 or LS430 is like $55k, you do the math, of course Lexus is the **** compared to Mecededs, no shame there.

>>> Personally, ill stick with BMW and Mercedes. My advice is if u see a Benz or BMW V8 or V12 on the highway, dont mess with it, cause german cars are built to run at those speeds.

Do I hear autobahn killer?

Stillnmax

Thats evans car in Cali... that thing was and is soo cool.
but some fat *** knocked his car off completely and is sayin its his on the east coast.

850csi... now thats my idea of solid car after 120+

RICOiz704

My next car (in two years) personally is the GS400 hopefully they could do the GS430 thing, I haven't heard anything about it yet....but for German cars, I like how BMW is improving on the styling and wheels etc....(engineering speaks for itself) but all in all I think if I was to spend that kind of dough, it will be on the Merc. E55 but preferably E60...just for fun as a third car (that would be the day). But for know im watching the good and bads of blowing a GS400 cause that might be me when the purchase time comes along............

speedemn

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I assume that is a pic of the E55 Woodyear. But what about the BMW M5? I think that is a little faster than the E55 sspd auto. It has a 6spd manual. with 400HP.

WoodEar

The one in the pic is not a E55, it's a EV12, it does 1/4m under 12's.
The E55, is actually as fast as a M5, yes M5 does have 400hp with the torque is 369, and the E55 is got 20+ more lb-ft and it's a lighter car. They had a test in europe, M5 vs. E55 showdown, 0-150, they are very evenly matched.

Btw, when you see M5 owners flame E55 on Bimmer BBS, they never talk about speed cuz they know E55 isn't slower, they only say how real drivers don't drive slushbox

speedemn

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haha that's funny! Battle of the $100000 cars (In CDN $) The E55 is $98K CDN and the M5 is $102K CDN

Is the EV12 on the AMG website? What's it's engine stats? Is it the V12 up from the V8 E55?

But fact of the matter is with the E55 every shift will be a perfect shift... with the M5, driver error plays a big factor... so even if the M5 is faster, the E55 will be consistently fast, unless the M5 driver is Paul Tracy or somtething! lol

speedemn

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On the Mercedes website, it says that the E55 is 5.7sec 0-60. The Lexus website says that the GS400 is 5.8 0-60. Doesn't look like the E55 can really show the GS 400 up, especially since it costs about 35% more!

WoodEar

Nah it's not a AMG model, so you go here to look:
http://www.renntechmercedes.com

WoodEar

website number is just website number, German makers usually use very conservative numbers in publications.
as a owner of a GS400, I have no problem admiting E55 is faster i once raced one, granted i have 2 more ppl in car, and he only had a dog with him, i could tell he pulls much harder under WOT.

Mr. Rose

This was a good run. we got to 7 pages! Yahoo.
I wonder why the COBRA comes into suspect more often that any other domestic car? Any press is good press I supose.
<img src ="http://www.geocities.com/jrose_78154/COBRArcr.jpg">