jgadlage

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I was going down the road today and I saw a white 98 Cobra. I looked it over as he was coming off the offramp and I decided to blowby him a little just for fun. Nothing serious but something that I would be 1-2 car lengths ahead of him. My car starts to shift for the higher gears thinking that I am now going to cruise when this guy comes up next to me and smiles. He shifts his 5 speed down a gear and I hear him so I nail the throttle to retailiate. My car took a while to get back down into gear and he ends up being about 2-3 car lengths ahead of me before we call it off. I cruise back up next to him and give him a thumbs up and he gives me a kind of half wave, sort of a "eh, it's alright" hand motion. Hey what can I say, I did alright. I bet he was thinking that he should have beat me better than that if he thought I was a stock Maxima. Man those Cobras have some legs in the topend. I need more boost! =)

What are 5 speed Cobras running in the 1/4? Anyone know offhand?

KilrBz

I had a '97 Cobra prior to my '01 Maxima that I autocrossed regularly and drag raced a couple of times. I wasn't a great drag racer - never could launch the darn thing - but I was able to get it under 14 seconds about 1/3 of the time. Best run was a 13.8xx at 102+. That's stock with street tires. I've seen some guys struggle to break 14 stock and I know others who consistently run 13.3-13.6 at 104-106MPH with bolt-ons.

Here's the thing about the Cobra - it was a rocket on the highway. You're better off racing one from a stop because its a hard car to launch correctly. There's a really fine line between bogging and lighting up the rear wheels.

With a turbo or a blower on the Max, it might have a good chance against a stock Cobra, especially from a standstill. A stock Maxima would have no hope at all though, given equal drivers.

Micah95GLE

R&T did 14.1 secs in 4/99. Don't remember if it was a '98 or '99, but it was an SVT Cobra. 0-60 in 5.5 secs.

Mr. Rose

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For a 3400lb dry car. I have the offroad H-pipe, MAGNAFLOW catback full mandrel bent 2.5", and custom intake from a Triton V10 truck. And the ever wonderfull gears. SVO 4:30 rear end. My goal is not so much drag racing, but trying to get my COBRA to handle better. KONI adjustables, Eibach SPortline springs, Eibach Swaybars. and some meaty Dunlop SP8000s 275/40/17s on 17X9 COBRA R spokes
(1995 COBRA R wheels) Plus a few bump steer tricks.
Needless to say making a Mustang HANDLE is a task in it's self and I sure am glad I have a maxima! Any way...
heres the Official stats from FORD...
http://www.svttexas.com/svtinfo/specs/1997.html

I have managed a best of 13.71 @105mph. That run I had a 2.1 60foot time and a .5799 react. Not bad for a lil ol 281cid motor. Good run though. I bet he was a little shaky.
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WoodEar

If I am not mistaken, it's powered by 5.7L V8, so am I the only one think they should be much faster considering the engine size?

WoodEar

Me? I have only 6 cyl with 240hp, and I can do high 13's stock already.

CoolMax

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Mustang Cobras have the 320hp DOHC 4.6L V8.
GM's Firebird WS6/Camaro SS have the 320hp OHV 5.7L V8.

Funky, 'cause your M is just as quick.

WoodEar

hmm isn't the Cobra suppose to be a sports car??
if so why do you want me to throw my 3800 lbs AUTOMATIC sedan in there to compare?

My point is:
13.7 is not slow. but for the numbers of cyl and liters of displacement they have, i would expect them to be a lil faster, you can never have enough accelaration, isn't it?

[Edited by WoodEar on 12-04-2000 at 09:33 PM]

WoodEar

and i have 3.2L, the NSX with 3.0L is even faster.
and what was the saying again? there is no replacement for displacement??

WoodEar

It should with 400, but how come I myself is not aware my own car has 400 ponies???

WoodEar

That's ok doug, you could just admit that you didn't get your facts straight

WoodEar

sigh, now i understand why kevin used to say you are man in denial

Y2KevSE

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Hehehe... finally realized that? j/k Dougy!

jgadlage

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I raced against Bart's <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/bgadlage/S351.html">1995 S-351</A> and have a tough time fending it off but I would never try to run against his <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/bgadlage/S351R.html">1994 S-351R</A>. That thing would eat my lunch. Things will be changing for my brother as he is going to be selling it for the 99 Red Civic SI 5 speed that he just bought. He can't stand speding $200 a month in gas (filling up every 2 days) in the Saleen. That and you can't park it anywhere for fear that you will get door dings or worse yet have it stolen. Many things on that particular car are one off even for a Saleen. He feels that the Civic SI is more fun as a daily driver, less costly in gas and insurance. He had fun while he had it but is looking to sell it pretty soon and pocket the money on a downpayment on a house in the future. I knew that it was coming though

[Edited by jgadlage on 12-05-2000 at 06:50 AM]

jgadlage

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Sold off his 93 SE to get the 1995 S-351
Sold his 1995 S-351 to get his 1994 S-351R.
Selling his 1994 S-351R to get his 1999 Civic SI.

He just likes to have his little rocket that he can zip around in. I guess he got tired of feeding that 351 beast almost daily.

SethMax

So argumentative.
Who cares?
WoodEar, your cars are awesome man; I'd take either one of 'em (already got a Maxima that I'm bored with). Cobras are cool cars too. To each his own.
13's are decent time for any stock car in my eyes... though if you're doing it in a big sled of a 4-door sedan (automatic, even) it's even more cool.

Whitemax

The one with the Ram Air intake. we'll be racing it and the Max today
I know, there,s no chance in hell, but it'll be fun!

Dave B

There are plenty of 4.6 Cobras out there with very minimal mods running 13.2-13.4s@104-106mph. A 13.7 is quite average for a Cobra with some simple mods. Like any car, it just takes good driving. Sorry, but a GS400 would get walked hard on the topend by a Cobra, especially a Cobra with a set of 4.10-4.30 gears. The 4.6 can wind out to 7000 rpm quite easily and has one of the best exhaust rumbles Detroit has ever offered.

And the guy who's gonna race the WS6 TA, you'll be toast. I used to have a 94 Z28 (same engine as the TA). You'll never come close to the awesome launch of a big torque V8. He'll pull 3 cars on you before you know it. If he's got an automatic, it will be even worse off the line. By 90mph he won't be pulling huge on you, but I'd say he will be anywhere from 5-7 cars ahead at the time. No joke.


Dave

WoodEar

How do you know that? You saw it happen?
I am not saying you are wrong, but here is my observation:
I raced a Cobra with my M roadster, and I was pulling on him after 100, I thought my weak topend will never win a race but it seems the Dotroit V8 sucks even more.
And, I raced a 540 with my M roadster also, he was pulling on me after 100. Now, I have raced 540 with my GS400, we are even steven up to 140.
Thus, GS400 has a equal topend as 540, 540 whoops M roadster on topend, and M roadster whoops Cobra on topend.
So who do you figure the Cobra will walk from a GS400 on topend?

Again, not saying who is right who is wrong, I gave you the reason to back up my opinion, where is yours?

WoodEar

of course it will be easy for you to argue, since you are the one with teh special edition 400hp GS400 which will whoop Cobra left and right low and top.

Dave B

You're making no sense, Woodear. Try racing from a dead stop ALL THE WAY to 140mph then tell me who's gonna win. I'm not talking about this roll-on race stuff. A 4.6 Cobra comes from the factory with a pathetic 3.27 rear gear. The Cobra makes little torque for a V8, but it winds out to 7000 rpms. Cobras with 3.27 gears finish the 1/4 mile in 3rd and not even close to redline. That's how pathetic the gears are. Ford uses the 3.27s to keep the car more comfortable to drive and to meet gas mileage requirements. By simply swapping in the right gears (4.10-4.33), the Cobra is finally allowed to operate in its powerband (4800-6700 rpms). There are stock Cobras with stock gears that have run 13.4s on street tires. There are 4.33 geared Cobras with no other mods running 12.9s on drag radials. The deeper gears allow the high winding V8 to accelerate in 4th and 5th gear. What kind of gears does your M have? 4.40 series gears? BMW got it right and Ford didn't. I think it's pretty impressive that a Cobra with the wrong gears will hang with a M. It only makes one think how bad the Cobra will pull the M with the right gears.

Believe me, your GS400 wouldn't stand a chance against Cobra from a stop to 140mph race...assuming the guy can drive decently. From a roll at 70mph, it would be close. From a 70mph roll against a Cobra with 4 series....nope. Your GS400 toast and so is your M. What did your GS400 run? A 14.6@96mph at one of the "quickest" tracks in the nation. Hmmmm...most stock Cobras run right around 14.0-14.2@100-101mph with okay driving at my track in KC at 1100 feet. Who's walking who in the topend?

I suggest you go over to the "Corral" and read up on Mustangs. This is not a flame to you, but you really need learn more about them before you judge them. By saying the Cobra has 5.7 liter motor kinda shows your lack of experience with these cars. The 96-99 Cobra has a 4.6 DOHC motor that is hand built. It has a dual stage intake manifold and is rated 305hp-320hp depending on year.


Dave

Player1

i wanna get back to the ws6 fire bird thing, did some one say a COBRA COULD TAKE IT? how do you figure. NO

Dave B

I didn't say a Cobra could "take" a WS6, but if both cars are stock, it will come down to the driver. If the WS6 in an automatic, it has more of a chance of losing on the topend. I used to own a 94 Z28 (same motor as the WS6) that I modded for over 3 years. I know what both these cars are capable of. A stock WS6 will run 13.8-14.2@98-101mph stock (depending on tranny). A stock Cobra will run 13.8-14.2@98-102mph. That's about as fair as it gets. Then there are always those freak Cobras and WS6s that are running mid 13s and such. Either way, the cars are very close.

And that is the truth....

Dave

Mr. Rose

Yeah Dave, You Rock.
These 13.70s @ 105mph are getting boring man. I need some power and soon! LOL! Thanks man. BTW nice times in the 96SE I think I could get my 3rd Gen to do that if I had "Stupid Money"
LATEZ "Da' Snake BOY"

1MAX2NV

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Those new WS6 are no joke. I think the only import that can keep up with it is a modded Supra TT.

Whitemax

They looked pretty close until the end.

Dave B

Mr. Rose-
You don't need anymore more power, you need traction. 2.1 60 foots are killing you. Your mph are 105mph which indicates low 13s with some good 1.8 60 foots. I know of guys pulling 12.8s with your exact mods, but they are running on slicks and pulling 1.6-1.7 60 foots. They also have stronger axles.

1Max2NV-
I couldn't agree more, the new LS1 motivated WS6 is a beast. I watched a few bonestock Camaro Z28s and SSs (same as the WS6) make consistent 305 rwhp pulls on the dyno last saturday. However, the orginal WS6 argument involved a 97 WS6 which is the 305hp LT1. One must be aware that the 98+ V8 F-Bodies are powered by the LS1. The 93-97 F-Bodies are powered by the LT1. The LS1 is grossly underrated. The LT1 was underrated too, but not like the LS1. A 97 LT1 WS6 (305hp) will put down about 270-280 rwhp stock. A stock LS1 WS6 (320-327hp) will put down 305-315 rwhp. What makes the LS1 so wicked is that it torque is as flat as Kansas and the motor makes awesome hp to 6000 rpms. The LT1 made awesome torque, but it's torque is peakier and hp falls off at 5400. A LT1 WS6 typically runs right around 14.0s where as the LS1 typically runs mid 13s. Having that extra hp, ultra flat torque, and topend breathing makes the LS1 perform wickedly. What was crazy was that my 94 Z28 with a few mods "felt" much quicker than my buddies 98 Z28. My car was loud and threw you into the seat. His Z28 would just keep going and going, smoothly, and almost silently (for a muscle car). I had mods and ran 13.4s@104 and he had an intake and ran 13.2s@110mph. Hello!!!! Can you say topend? That's hp for ya.

Dave

Mr. Rose

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave B
[I]Mr. Rose-
You don't need anymore more power, you need traction. 2.1 60 foots are killing you. Your mph are 105mph which indicates low 13s with some good 1.8 60 foots. I know of guys pulling 12.8s with your exact mods, but they are running on slicks and pulling 1.6-1.7 60 foots. They also have stronger axles.

My suspension is killing me!.. EIBACH Sportline springs lowered 2" front/ 1.8 rear. the rates are about 40% higher than stock, plus I have HUGE sway bars, again EIBACH, and I opted for KONI yellow adjustables. VERY FIRM Indeed. with the strus/shocks turned all the way down, I get no weight transfer hardley wht so ever. and no squat or weight transfere on a COBRA = spin spin spin CITY. like Isaid I go to the track for MOD proof, not best E.T. I just like having exspensive add ons on any of my cars. LOL! I'm a modder not a HOT RODDER.
LATEZ

Dave B

Why not run Nitto drags? I don't see why you couldn't pull atleast 1.9s on your suspension. Maybe you're smart and don't want to launch at 4500-5000 rpms. I don't blame ya.

If I wrecked my Maxima today, I'd get a 98 Cobra. I would add a X-pipe, intake, Hurst shifter, Eibachs, 4.10 gears, stronger axles, pull out the stock foglights, and add clear corners. I would run Nitto drags all the time (except for winter). Yummmm...fun fun fun. I used to be a F-Body guy because of their out of the box performance. Now I like Cobras because they have bit more quality and reliabilty plus the sound of the Cobra is amazing. I beat the crap out of my Z28 and the motor held up fine, but the interior and exterior quality was crap. It was a big turn off for me.

Dave

Mr. Rose

I do not want to kill this car. I come out of the box at about 1800rpms and get the tires a non spin roll out, then stab it. like you said, I could launch at 4k, but I would be sopending my time rebuilding diffs, clutches and trannies. none the less, next for me is a little more fuel pressure and a shift light. Why not get a V6 stang, and drop a 4Cammer init. Thats what SALEEN did with his products. The market is alive with DOHC tuners man. you obviously know whats what. have fun.
LATEZ

Dave B

OMG, you're rolling out at 1800 rpms and then flooring it!!! That is a very very impressive et for a Cobra with a near idle launch. Most guys I know with Cobras on street tires come out at 3500 rpms with a quick clutch slip and then hammer it home. Hell, I know a guy with a 98 Cobra that has similar mods as you and runs a 80hp shot of NOS and slicks. He shoots out at 5500 rpms and hits the NOS at 6000rpms!! He pulls 1.6 60 foots (one wheel off the ground) and runs 11.5s. What's crazy is he's just running a slightly beefed up rear. I don't know how that T-45 (I think that's right) is holding up to that abuse.

Dave

Mr. Rose

I try not to kill it and I do all right. The T45 won't last. Week part of the equation. if you ever get a COBRA or ever build a stang of any kind, make sure you get a Tremic TKO. bullet proof. where you race at?

Player1

i hate american cars but if i had to pick just one it would be ws6 then supercharge it. ooooooof i saw one in vegas with bouble limo tinted windows and i heard the super whine from a block away. i creamed my pants

Dave B

The trannies have always been the weak link in the Stangs. The T-5s are aweful and the T-45 is okay. The Stangs have bad trannies and F-bodies have junk rear ends.

I race at KCIR in Kansas City. It's a pretty sad track, but it's close. I hope to make out to Heartland Park Topeka next spring. Heartland Park is a NHRA sanctioned track and I hear it is awesome. I'll have my suspension set up this weekend (front Koni's, KYBs in the rear) and I just got some lightweight 16" Kosei K1s. Last time at the track I ran a 14.9@94mph with a 2.4 60 foots on bald RSAs. Now that I'll be rid of my blown struts, added a shiftlight, added a RT cat, and added wheels that are even lighter than my 15s I hope to cut some lower 2 second 60 foots and run some mid 14s, atleast. I've hit as high as 96.4mph in the 1/4 mile so I know I've got the power. I just can't put it down yet. I'm dynoing this weekend.

Dave

Mr. Rose

I'm dynoing this weekend.

Dave [/I][/QUOTE]YOu going to be in Dallas the 16th?

MAX2000JP

Woodear...did u race a 540i auto or stick...because a 540i 6 speed will toast a GS400 anyday. Nice M roadster, by the way. As for the Cobra....they are fast off the line and down the 1/4, but they start getting slow if you punch it at highway speeds.

Mr. Rose

Thats funny bro.

WoodEar

1) No I wasn't talking about from a dead stop, since you are talking about who is got better *highend*, I suppose it means 80mph+ or even 100+. Otherwise you can't say car A has a better highend than car B, if A needs to pull away 10 car lengths from 0-100 in order to keep the lead at 150, Right??
I mean, let me ask you, last time a SL600 whooped my *** badly at 80+, but I do believe from 0-120 I am still faster. So who is got better highend, him or me??

2) Stop complaining about the gears on Cobra. It's no one's fault if they suck, I am 2 cyl, 1.4L and 80hp less, do you see me *****ing?? Whatever comes from factory is what you have to race.

3) You said yourself.
From a dead stop Cobra will kill a GS400, but from 70+ it's close, I agree and that's what I was trying to say. Now if rolling from 100 I will kick Cobra's ***. And no need to say "oh what if the Cobra has better gearing", because I can say too "what if GS400 is lighter and with more hp and manual tranny".

My simple point is on highend a GS400 is faster than a Cobra, both in stock form. Like it or not, I am right.
I am only wrong if one of the following occurs:
1) The definition of hignend is 0-140.
2) *If* Cobra had better gearing.
Unfortunately neither is the case.

WoodEar

Dunno, it was a rolling starting on highway, so I don't think it makes too big of difference.
Btw, when I was at E-town running my GS400, a 540 6s did 14.3-14.5.

WoodEar

I just added another name to the list of people I pissed off, what a great day!