How about 1995-2003 AGXs w/o any BS?
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Originally posted by Cattman
The three possibilities would be that a spring would fit normally over the AGX's rear spring perch (if using 95-99 springs of whatever brand), or it would settle tightly over the slightly oversize rear spring perch (if using 2000+ springs) or, at least a possibility, that the 2000+ springs didn't settle fully on it (I've got an email from an Eibach/AGX owner about this).
To be clear, I can make suggestions about how 2000+ rear springs can be made to fit the adapted AGX struts, but I cannot guarantee that they will fit and I strongly encourage using 1995-1999 springs with them.
I'm not sure if you're talking about using 2000+ Eibachs on these, but whether they fit normally or tightly, neither case would seem to increase the likelihood of the spring coming dislodged. More importantly however, is that I suspect that the spring is still under some compression at full strut extension, which makes what you're referring to impossible.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
The three possibilities would be that a spring would fit normally over the AGX's rear spring perch (if using 95-99 springs of whatever brand), or it would settle tightly over the slightly oversize rear spring perch (if using 2000+ springs) or, at least a possibility, that the 2000+ springs didn't settle fully on it (I've got an email from an Eibach/AGX owner about this).
To be clear, I can make suggestions about how 2000+ rear springs can be made to fit the adapted AGX struts, but I cannot guarantee that they will fit and I strongly encourage using 1995-1999 springs with them.
I'm not sure if you're talking about using 2000+ Eibachs on these, but whether they fit normally or tightly, neither case would seem to increase the likelihood of the spring coming dislodged. More importantly however, is that I suspect that the spring is still under some compression at full strut extension, which makes what you're referring to impossible.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
I am going to be running Eibach 5th gen springs all aroung. What are some of your suggestions for making them fit?
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
Brian,
I am going to be running Eibach 5th gen springs all aroung. What are some of your suggestions for making them fit?
Brian,
I am going to be running Eibach 5th gen springs all aroung. What are some of your suggestions for making them fit?
All I can suggest is what others have reported doing. Only the rears are an issue. When you slide a 2000-2003 spring over the strut (designed for 1995-1999 springs), it ends up sitting on top of the spring perch instead of sliding down over the extrusion that is intended to fit snugly inside the bottom coil. What customers have done at this point is go ahead and assemble everything like it was just right, and then let the weight of the car down onto the springs. Ideally, the bottom coil opens up a little (keeping in mind that its not a welded loop, but an open coil that can stretch in size) with that weight on top and settles over the perch (with a ka-chunk!). If that doesn't happen with the car sitting still, drive a few feet and it will probably happen then.
All of this said, I know that on most occaisions this works for most popular springs (especially stock). I'd written recently that I knew of no occaision where it didn't work, and then heard from one person that said his Eibachs didn't settle.
Bottom line is that I can't guarantee this will work for you, but if you're using the springs already, there's no harm in trying.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Originally posted by DanSE
I think I will go with the progress/AGX/dustboot combo. Do you know how much it will be shipped to the boston area? Zip is 02474.
Thanks,
Dan
I think I will go with the progress/AGX/dustboot combo. Do you know how much it will be shipped to the boston area? Zip is 02474.
Thanks,
Dan
Sorry Dan, I just don't have an accurate mechanism for giving a shipping quote from home. I refer these questions to my very capable ordering service (800.759.9920, 8-5 MST, M-F), which can provide a precise quote upon request or time of order.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
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Originally posted by Cattman
All I can suggest is what others have reported doing. Only the rears are an issue. When you slide a 2000-2003 spring over the strut (designed for 1995-1999 springs), it ends up sitting on top of the spring perch instead of sliding down over the extrusion that is intended to fit snugly inside the bottom coil. What customers have done at this point is go ahead and assemble everything like it was just right, and then let the weight of the car down onto the springs. Ideally, the bottom coil opens up a little (keeping in mind that its not a welded loop, but an open coil that can stretch in size) with that weight on top and settles over the perch (with a ka-chunk!). If that doesn't happen with the car sitting still, drive a few feet and it will probably happen then.
All of this said, I know that on most occaisions this works for most popular springs (especially stock). I'd written recently that I knew of no occaision where it didn't work, and then heard from one person that said his Eibachs didn't settle.
Bottom line is that I can't guarantee this will work for you, but if you're using the springs already, there's no harm in trying.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
All I can suggest is what others have reported doing. Only the rears are an issue. When you slide a 2000-2003 spring over the strut (designed for 1995-1999 springs), it ends up sitting on top of the spring perch instead of sliding down over the extrusion that is intended to fit snugly inside the bottom coil. What customers have done at this point is go ahead and assemble everything like it was just right, and then let the weight of the car down onto the springs. Ideally, the bottom coil opens up a little (keeping in mind that its not a welded loop, but an open coil that can stretch in size) with that weight on top and settles over the perch (with a ka-chunk!). If that doesn't happen with the car sitting still, drive a few feet and it will probably happen then.
All of this said, I know that on most occaisions this works for most popular springs (especially stock). I'd written recently that I knew of no occaision where it didn't work, and then heard from one person that said his Eibachs didn't settle.
Bottom line is that I can't guarantee this will work for you, but if you're using the springs already, there's no harm in trying.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
Well since they will be here tommorrow and I dont feel like buying new springs, I will try and install them. My Eibach have about 30k on them, dont know if that makes any difference in the width of the coils. Id assume that they fit more snug when new. If the rears dont fit properly, can I still return them? Also, can I run the stock OEMs on your AGX's?
Well since they will be here tommorrow and I dont feel like buying new springs, I will try and install them. My Eibach have about 30k on them, dont know if that makes any difference in the width of the coils. Id assume that they fit more snug when new. If the rears dont fit properly, can I still return them? Also, can I run the stock OEMs on your AGX's?
Every now and then I have to play the hard-nosed businessman, and I may seem that in this case because I have to be perfectly clear. Given that all factors are on discussed and on the table, if your springs do not fit the AGXs it will not be grounds for cost free return of the struts. If you decided that you did not want to keep the rear struts, this would be handled the same as any other product return unassociated with defects or other product-related problems.
Most importantly, the struts would have to be returned in "AS NEW" condition, in the original packaging. No scratches, blemishes, etc. Secondly, a restocking charge of up to 25% will be levied. Third, the return postage would be at your cost, and you are responsible for its condition up until when it is received by our warehouse.
With that out of the way, I would agree that they would be more likely to fit after 30k miles than new. I can also predict (but not guarantee) that the stock springs will fit more easily than any lowering springs because the guage of the wire used to make the full-length stock springs is thinner than the aftermarket stuff.
Brian C Catts
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Originally posted by Cattman
Every now and then I have to play the hard-nosed businessman, and I may seem that in this case because I have to be perfectly clear. Given that all factors are on discussed and on the table, if your springs do not fit the AGXs it will not be grounds for cost free return of the struts. If you decided that you did not want to keep the rear struts, this would be handled the same as any other product return unassociated with defects or other product-related problems.
Most importantly, the struts would have to be returned in "AS NEW" condition, in the original packaging. No scratches, blemishes, etc. Secondly, a restocking charge of up to 25% will be levied. Third, the return postage would be at your cost, and you are responsible for its condition up until when it is received by our warehouse.
With that out of the way, I would agree that they would be more likely to fit after 30k miles than new. I can also predict (but not guarantee) that the stock springs will fit more easily than any lowering springs because the guage of the wire used to make the full-length stock springs is thinner than the aftermarket stuff.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Every now and then I have to play the hard-nosed businessman, and I may seem that in this case because I have to be perfectly clear. Given that all factors are on discussed and on the table, if your springs do not fit the AGXs it will not be grounds for cost free return of the struts. If you decided that you did not want to keep the rear struts, this would be handled the same as any other product return unassociated with defects or other product-related problems.
Most importantly, the struts would have to be returned in "AS NEW" condition, in the original packaging. No scratches, blemishes, etc. Secondly, a restocking charge of up to 25% will be levied. Third, the return postage would be at your cost, and you are responsible for its condition up until when it is received by our warehouse.
With that out of the way, I would agree that they would be more likely to fit after 30k miles than new. I can also predict (but not guarantee) that the stock springs will fit more easily than any lowering springs because the guage of the wire used to make the full-length stock springs is thinner than the aftermarket stuff.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
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Originally posted by Cattman
Sorry Dan, I just don't have an accurate mechanism for giving a shipping quote from home. I refer these questions to my very capable ordering service (800.759.9920, 8-5 MST, M-F), which can provide a precise quote upon request or time of order.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Sorry Dan, I just don't have an accurate mechanism for giving a shipping quote from home. I refer these questions to my very capable ordering service (800.759.9920, 8-5 MST, M-F), which can provide a precise quote upon request or time of order.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
I do not mean to be rude, just reporting my own personal experinece. I have tried a number of times to obtain a shipping quote from your ordering service (I think the lady's name is Lorie) but to no avail. She sounded very reluctant to give out quote (her reason is always -"I have to pack the goods and weigh them before I know the cost of shipping")and always seems in a hurry to cut me off.
Brian, I live in Toronto (Ontario, Canada L6E 1G3)and would like to know how much the shipping will cost before I order because I am going to pay for the goods by money order. I will be most grateful if you can give me a quote on shipping for a complete set of AGX's plus a set of boots. Thank you very much in advance for your time. You can PM me if you want.
Lo-Tse
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
I don't mean to make a fuss, but the reason I ordered these struts was because your website Clearly states that they fit 2000-2003 Maximas. No where on your website does it state that the rear struts might not work with the correct Eibachs for 5th Gens. I found this out AFTER I ordered them from you. I usually do a lot of research before purchasing modifications, but admit I didnt do all my homework on this purchase. The search feature was off on thr .org and I havent seen any complaints. If you would like to speak more in-depth regarding this subject, please email me.
I don't mean to make a fuss, but the reason I ordered these struts was because your website Clearly states that they fit 2000-2003 Maximas. No where on your website does it state that the rear struts might not work with the correct Eibachs for 5th Gens. I found this out AFTER I ordered them from you. I usually do a lot of research before purchasing modifications, but admit I didnt do all my homework on this purchase. The search feature was off on thr .org and I havent seen any complaints. If you would like to speak more in-depth regarding this subject, please email me.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Originally posted by Lo-Tse
Brian,
I do not mean to be rude, just reporting my own personal experinece. I have tried a number of times to obtain a shipping quote from your ordering service (I think the lady's name is Lorie) but to no avail. She sounded very reluctant to give out quote (her reason is always -"I have to pack the goods and weigh them before I know the cost of shipping"
and always seems in a hurry to cut me off.
Brian, I live in Toronto (Ontario, Canada L6E 1G3)and would like to know how much the shipping will cost before I order because I am going to pay for the goods by money order. I will be most grateful if you can give me a quote on shipping for a complete set of AGX's plus a set of boots. Thank you very much in advance for your time. You can PM me if you want.
Lo-Tse
Brian,
I do not mean to be rude, just reporting my own personal experinece. I have tried a number of times to obtain a shipping quote from your ordering service (I think the lady's name is Lorie) but to no avail. She sounded very reluctant to give out quote (her reason is always -"I have to pack the goods and weigh them before I know the cost of shipping"
and always seems in a hurry to cut me off. Brian, I live in Toronto (Ontario, Canada L6E 1G3)and would like to know how much the shipping will cost before I order because I am going to pay for the goods by money order. I will be most grateful if you can give me a quote on shipping for a complete set of AGX's plus a set of boots. Thank you very much in advance for your time. You can PM me if you want.
Lo-Tse
Nothing rude about it, I appreciate the feedback. I contacted Lorie upon reading your message and she said she'd heard from you twice, possibly 3 times during the time she was preparing your information. As you're probably aware by now, she sent your shipping quote by fax earlier today (yes, it was actually before I called).
The international shipping quotes (even to Canada) take longer to obtain -- we actually have to call UPS with box weights and dimensions to get an accurate quote. You can get international quotes automatically over the web, but they are estimates only, the shipper is not obligated to honor them and we find they are often not accurate (and more often than not, too high). For some reason shipping estimates within the US are much more accurate over the web.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Originally posted by Lo-Tse
Brian,
I do not mean to be rude, just reporting my own personal experinece. I have tried a number of times to obtain a shipping quote from your ordering service (I think the lady's name is Lorie) but to no avail. She sounded very reluctant to give out quote (her reason is always -"I have to pack the goods and weigh them before I know the cost of shipping"and always seems in a hurry to cut me off.
Brian, I live in Toronto (Ontario, Canada L6E 1G3)and would like to know how much the shipping will cost before I order because I am going to pay for the goods by money order. I will be most grateful if you can give me a quote on shipping for a complete set of AGX's plus a set of boots. Thank you very much in advance for your time. You can PM me if you want.
Lo-Tse
Brian,
I do not mean to be rude, just reporting my own personal experinece. I have tried a number of times to obtain a shipping quote from your ordering service (I think the lady's name is Lorie) but to no avail. She sounded very reluctant to give out quote (her reason is always -"I have to pack the goods and weigh them before I know the cost of shipping"
and always seems in a hurry to cut me off. Brian, I live in Toronto (Ontario, Canada L6E 1G3)and would like to know how much the shipping will cost before I order because I am going to pay for the goods by money order. I will be most grateful if you can give me a quote on shipping for a complete set of AGX's plus a set of boots. Thank you very much in advance for your time. You can PM me if you want.
Lo-Tse
An afterthought causes me to visit this again. Also sorry that your impression was that Lorie was trying to get rid of you. Obviously I wasn't listening in, so you have the first hand knowledge that I do not, but for what its worth, I get quite a number of messages complimenting my ordering service, and Lorie in particular, on the quality of customer interaction. Seriously, some of our customers are quite generous with their praise (see below a recent testimonial from a fellow Canadian in Ottawa). Anyway, Lorie says she got your shipping address late on the 12th and apologizes for not getting back to you on the 13th, but since you were sending a money order it was critical that she be able to give you an accurate and exact figure.
Brian
Testimonial: I just bought my first Maxima (2003 SE) 3 weeks ago, so I’m new to the Maxima scene. I recently purchased a rear sway bar from your on-line store. I just wanted to let you know that I was impressed with the friendly people that I spoke with over the phone. And I was very impressed when I received my sway bar a grand total of 6 days from the time I ordered it. That was super fast, considering that it had to travel from Arizona, through Customs, to eastern Canada.
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Originally posted by Cattman
Nothing rude about it, I appreciate the feedback. I contacted Lorie upon reading your message and she said she'd heard from you twice, possibly 3 times during the time she was preparing your information. As you're probably aware by now, she sent your shipping quote by fax earlier today (yes, it was actually before I called).
The international shipping quotes (even to Canada) take longer to obtain -- we actually have to call UPS with box weights and dimensions to get an accurate quote. You can get international quotes automatically over the web, but they are estimates only, the shipper is not obligated to honor them and we find they are often not accurate (and more often than not, too high). For some reason shipping estimates within the US are much more accurate over the web.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Nothing rude about it, I appreciate the feedback. I contacted Lorie upon reading your message and she said she'd heard from you twice, possibly 3 times during the time she was preparing your information. As you're probably aware by now, she sent your shipping quote by fax earlier today (yes, it was actually before I called).
The international shipping quotes (even to Canada) take longer to obtain -- we actually have to call UPS with box weights and dimensions to get an accurate quote. You can get international quotes automatically over the web, but they are estimates only, the shipper is not obligated to honor them and we find they are often not accurate (and more often than not, too high). For some reason shipping estimates within the US are much more accurate over the web.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Hi, Brian,
I received the fax from Lorie today. Thank you (and Lorie) very much. Also, thank you for replying my post and explain the situation. Much appreciated. A lot of people would have brushed it aside and pretend did not see it.
Lo-Tse
Originally posted by MiniRX7
Curious, is the price of $580 for the 5th gen AGX + PROGRESS include the 4th gen strut mounts? Why is your website showing $570?
ED
Curious, is the price of $580 for the 5th gen AGX + PROGRESS include the 4th gen strut mounts? Why is your website showing $570?
ED
No, the mounts would not be included. They are $70/pair from us, more from the Nissan parts counter, which is why we provide directions on modifying the stock struts.
Ooops, sorry for the pricing oversight, whatever is lowest rules. As long as the website says $570, that's what it is. The new website will include some price increases.
Brian C Catts
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Originally posted by Cattman
No, the mounts would not be included. They are $70/pair from us, more from the Nissan parts counter, which is why we provide directions on modifying the stock struts.
Ooops, sorry for the pricing oversight, whatever is lowest rules. As long as the website says $570, that's what it is. The new website will include some price increases.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
No, the mounts would not be included. They are $70/pair from us, more from the Nissan parts counter, which is why we provide directions on modifying the stock struts.
Ooops, sorry for the pricing oversight, whatever is lowest rules. As long as the website says $570, that's what it is. The new website will include some price increases.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Just curious, do you have any idea when will you receive the next batch of Progress springs for the 4th gen Max? Thanks.
Lo-Tse
Originally posted by DanSE
Brian,
Do you still have the progress/AGX combo available for my 99? I got my paycheck and I am ready to purchase.
Thanks,
Dan
Brian,
Do you still have the progress/AGX combo available for my 99? I got my paycheck and I am ready to purchase.
Thanks,
Dan
Brian C Catts
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Originally posted by Cattman
Plenty of struts, but we are still shy the springs. Progress is in the process of inspecting and packaging a huge number of springs, so I expect more after the fourth.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Plenty of struts, but we are still shy the springs. Progress is in the process of inspecting and packaging a huge number of springs, so I expect more after the fourth.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
can you guys do any better than $390 shipped to New York for the AGX's?
i have the money in hand ready to send out via PayPal....
please let me know via e-mail: ny96maxse@aol.com
thanks
Ant
Originally posted by Cattman
What seems to work is to install the springs even though they have not settled in the rear, let the weight of the car down, and if necessary drive a little ways, and the bottom coil will spread open far enough to settle over the spring perch. I know it sounds a little funky, but no one has ever told me it didn't work.
What seems to work is to install the springs even though they have not settled in the rear, let the weight of the car down, and if necessary drive a little ways, and the bottom coil will spread open far enough to settle over the spring perch. I know it sounds a little funky, but no one has ever told me it didn't work.
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