4th gen - gauging interest +6hp/+9tq for $100
01-14-2004, 09:59 AM
#84
OE's convinced we have enough interest 
Now were doing measurements and scheduling time for initial dyno and teardown.
Thanks for all the positive feedback! Without the .org community (thanks Jane & Kev) we couldn't have gotten that many responses so quickly.
Now were doing measurements and scheduling time for initial dyno and teardown. Thanks for all the positive feedback! Without the .org community (thanks Jane & Kev) we couldn't have gotten that many responses so quickly.
01-14-2004, 11:34 AM
#87
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I am really interested in these gaskets since I will be purchasing a VI pretty soon. If these do all the things that everyone said they do, I will be willing to purchase these gaskets. I have gone down the list of people in this thread and made a list of who are interested, including myself(pending that there are no fitament issues and no problems with the product). Nothing is final, just was bored and made a list.
takentomax
MAXimumHP
mzmtg
Liquid_pjear
Y2KSESteve
Kehops
athlon omega
spanishrice
DaveB
brianw
Maximum96
I30tMikeD
RI-Max
Khott2003
krismax
vipervadim
toofastmax97
Iilac
RastaManMax
kingrukus
UNCDooD
LiquidNine
kenji
bluA32
geo1317
thisasian
BSwithTF
DCM Maxima
gotmaxwiltravel
Agraric X
Supa Maxima
Ceasars Chariot
Anarchronism
wicked1044
MaxedOutR34
sk24iam
MaxSpeedSE
Bad97MaxSE
davebond007
If I missed anybody, well what can I say...just added your name to the list. Remember this is not final and was not done by the original owner of the group deal. If you are interested don't be afriad to add you name for later reference.
takentomax
MAXimumHP
mzmtg
Liquid_pjear
Y2KSESteve
Kehops
athlon omega
spanishrice
DaveB
brianw
Maximum96
I30tMikeD
RI-Max
Khott2003
krismax
vipervadim
toofastmax97
Iilac
RastaManMax
kingrukus
UNCDooD
LiquidNine
kenji
bluA32
geo1317
thisasian
BSwithTF
DCM Maxima
gotmaxwiltravel
Agraric X
Supa Maxima
Ceasars Chariot
Anarchronism
wicked1044
MaxedOutR34
sk24iam
MaxSpeedSE
Bad97MaxSE
davebond007
If I missed anybody, well what can I say...just added your name to the list. Remember this is not final and was not done by the original owner of the group deal. If you are interested don't be afriad to add you name for later reference.
01-14-2004, 11:40 AM
#88
Originally Posted by BEJAY1
OE's convinced we have enough interest Now were doing measurements and scheduling time for initial dyno and teardown.
Thanks for all the positive feedback! Without the .org community (thanks Jane & Kev) we couldn't have gotten that many responses so quickly.
Now were doing measurements and scheduling time for initial dyno and teardown. Thanks for all the positive feedback! Without the .org community (thanks Jane & Kev) we couldn't have gotten that many responses so quickly.
01-20-2004, 06:10 AM
#100
Originally Posted by gabex
He is looking for a volunteer in Indy. I just volunteered, so I am waiting to hear back from him.
01-20-2004, 11:42 AM
#101
pricing
BEJay, Thanks again for getting this together with OE. I know you said around $100 in the initial post. How accurate is that price? I just don't want to get all my hopes up, then 2 months from now see a 2 or 3 replacing the 1 in 100.
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01-20-2004, 05:57 PM
#103
Originally Posted by gabex
I think I can answer for BEJAY. $100 is pretty accurate. OE has already designed these for other cars and they are around the same price.
01-21-2004, 07:48 AM
#106
Originally Posted by RastaManMax
I'm in provided fitment issues are resolved. This mod will be the next best thing since the y-pipe.
LEMAR
LEMAR
Originally Posted by Outlaw Engineering
Like I mentioned before, it would seem to me that the thick rubber gasket that is already there may provide a certain amount of thermal insulation. The additional benefit from adding a ThermoBlok may not be significant. Do you or any of your fellow members have any input regarding this?
It may be beneficial to take a look at the local car just to determine whether a ThermoBlok kit is efficacious.
It may be beneficial to take a look at the local car just to determine whether a ThermoBlok kit is efficacious.
01-24-2004, 08:24 AM
#109
Actually, I am going in Sunday (1-25). They are going to take apart my intake manifold and look at it. They said that there might not be significant gains for the Maxima VQ because we already have thick gaskets made of rubber. Anyways, if he feels the gains are not going to be signifcant enough, he won't even make them. But, lets keep our fingers crossed. Hopefully they'll help, and be produced!
01-24-2004, 08:20 PM
#110
i respect them for not making them if there not going to help. will have my fingers crossed over this way. man, we N/A maximas need something to come our way like this.
since they are made of phenol resin laminate, wouldnt this at least help on the cooling over rubber ?
since they are made of phenol resin laminate, wouldnt this at least help on the cooling over rubber ?
01-24-2004, 11:58 PM
#111
Originally Posted by Ceasars Chariot
i respect them for not making them if there not going to help. will have my fingers crossed over this way. man, we N/A maximas need something to come our way like this.
I'm definitely trying to squeeze every tenth or hundredth of a second I can out of my car while its N/A.
I'm poor
01-25-2004, 11:59 AM
#113
Originally Posted by BEJAY1
Anybody have thoughts about heat transfer between the block, lower intake manifold, and upper plenums?
The Outlaw gaskets would greatly help if Nissan used steel gaskets on the VQ manifolds like some other car makers do on their engines, but suffice to say were spoken for. I guess Nissan with their infinite wisdom already thought of this and used rubber gaskets to provide better thermal insulation. To me it looks like the only gain would be had by using these gaskets as spacers in the intake manifold to aid in producing a little more low-mid end power, but at the loss of high end power.
Oh if your wondering these phenolic spacers are basically made out the same material PC motherboards are made from. Commonly called G10 or FR-4 in the electronics world, it has excellent mechanical and insulation properties. As a replacement for steel gaskets its wonderful, but IMO for us VQ guys it won't work.
Links-
Thermal Properties of materials (given in W/(cm*K), multipy by 100 to get W/(m*K) )
Outlaw Engineering technical info
01-25-2004, 01:14 PM
#115
Originally Posted by Maximum96
well maybe it will benefit just from a throttlebody spacer, not manifold, since our tb gasket is very thin rubber
the Throttle body gasket is a paper material.
01-25-2004, 02:22 PM
#116
Update
Well I went over to see Sean Morgan of OE today. To sum it up, these won't be made. Unfortunately, they do not benefit the VQ (or do not benefit it enough to have them produced). The VQ already has thick rubber gaskets. These gaskets only help out the cars that come with metal, paper, or really thin gaskets.
He took a look at my intake manifold. He did some temperature readings of my upper and lower manifold..after my car had been driven some 10 miles. The lower manifold was around 180 degrees, while the top was about 120 degrees. The stock rubber gasket was already reducing heat by about 60 degrees.
I think Brian will have something to say, maybe add more detail to my response. But to any of you who are modding any other cars besides your Max, I reccommend these!
He took a look at my intake manifold. He did some temperature readings of my upper and lower manifold..after my car had been driven some 10 miles. The lower manifold was around 180 degrees, while the top was about 120 degrees. The stock rubber gasket was already reducing heat by about 60 degrees.
I think Brian will have something to say, maybe add more detail to my response. But to any of you who are modding any other cars besides your Max, I reccommend these!
01-25-2004, 02:31 PM
#117
Originally Posted by gabex
Well I went over to see Sean Morgan of OE today. To sum it up, these won't be made. Unfortunately, they do not benefit the VQ (or do not benefit it enough to have them produced). The VQ already has thick rubber gaskets. These gaskets only help out the cars that come with metal, paper, or really thin gaskets.
He took a look at my intake manifold. He did some temperature readings of my upper and lower manifold..after my car had been driven some 10 miles. The lower manifold was around 180 degrees, while the top was about 120 degrees. The stock rubber gasket was already reducing heat by about 60 degrees.
I think Brian will have something to say, maybe add more detail to my response. But to any of you who are modding any other cars besides your Max, I reccommend these!
He took a look at my intake manifold. He did some temperature readings of my upper and lower manifold..after my car had been driven some 10 miles. The lower manifold was around 180 degrees, while the top was about 120 degrees. The stock rubber gasket was already reducing heat by about 60 degrees.
I think Brian will have something to say, maybe add more detail to my response. But to any of you who are modding any other cars besides your Max, I reccommend these!
01-25-2004, 06:21 PM
#120
Maybe you could make a exact replacement for the OEM gasket but in a different material. You cannot make the gasket thicker, the Gas recirculation valve and the bolts holding the manifold to the brackets would not fit.
A throttlebody spacer would be a good idea.
You could even make bigger gaskets for the lower manifold since they are metal. Then make a thinner gasket for the upper manifold so it fits exactly the same. I think the lower manifold gets twice as hot as the upper manifold.
A throttlebody spacer would be a good idea.
You could even make bigger gaskets for the lower manifold since they are metal. Then make a thinner gasket for the upper manifold so it fits exactly the same. I think the lower manifold gets twice as hot as the upper manifold.