BUMPING this thread for my health.

 

Make a list already. People want to see some progress!

 

I'd be interested to see how well the 4th gen people do on these (even though I have a 3rd gen).

So, free bump for this thread.

 

OE's convinced we have enough interest Now were doing measurements and scheduling time for initial dyno and teardown.

Thanks for all the positive feedback! Without the .org community (thanks Jane & Kev) we couldn't have gotten that many responses so quickly.

 

Awesome I look forward to seeing the results!

 

This is great looks like this will happen!

YET ANOTHER REASON Maxima.org RULES!

i got the Benjamin, keep us updated!

-Vadim

 

I am really interested in these gaskets since I will be purchasing a VI pretty soon. If these do all the things that everyone said they do, I will be willing to purchase these gaskets. I have gone down the list of people in this thread and made a list of who are interested, including myself(pending that there are no fitament issues and no problems with the product). Nothing is final, just was bored and made a list.

takentomax
MAXimumHP
mzmtg
Liquid_pjear
Y2KSESteve
Kehops
athlon omega
spanishrice
DaveB
brianw
Maximum96
I30tMikeD
RI-Max
Khott2003
krismax
vipervadim
toofastmax97
Iilac
RastaManMax
kingrukus
UNCDooD
LiquidNine
kenji
bluA32
geo1317
thisasian
BSwithTF
DCM Maxima
gotmaxwiltravel
Agraric X
Supa Maxima
Ceasars Chariot
Anarchronism
wicked1044
MaxedOutR34
sk24iam
MaxSpeedSE
Bad97MaxSE
davebond007

If I missed anybody, well what can I say...just added your name to the list. Remember this is not final and was not done by the original owner of the group deal. If you are interested don't be afriad to add you name for later reference.

 

awesome, cant wait to see the results, if they are good, these will sell like hotcakes!

 

You forgot my name.

 

im intersted if gains are present.

 

thanks bejay !

 

if the gains are there and the install is relatively easy, count me in!!!

 

So anyone have an idea as to when these are coming out?

 

don't know just waiting day to day...

 

add me to that list! definitly interested if gains are proven with before and after dyno sheets.

 

He is looking for a volunteer in Indy. I just volunteered, so I am waiting to hear back from him.

 

how long will we be waiting for this to be finished, 6 months ?

 

bump bump.

 

I am in, This works for the domestic boys, there is no reason it ould not work for us.

 

Gabe's gonna drop by OE for the inspection visit shortly. I would think no more than 2 months after that would be needed. So by end of March hopefully we'll have a product and the dyno results back.

 

BEJay, Thanks again for getting this together with OE. I know you said around $100 in the initial post. How accurate is that price? I just don't want to get all my hopes up, then 2 months from now see a 2 or 3 replacing the 1 in 100.
-t a-

 

I think I can answer for BEJAY. $100 is pretty accurate. OE has already designed these for other cars and they are around the same price.

 

thanks... yeah, i just checked the OE site... prices for other 6 cyl are all around $100

 

if they work, i'm in.

 

I'm in provided fitment issues are resolved. This mod will be the next best thing since the y-pipe.

LEMAR

 

I wish it was that easy.
Anybody have thoughts about heat transfer between the block, lower intake manifold, and upper plenums?

 

Sorry Ive been busy lately, but I am going to call OE tomorrow. I think that the earliest I can bring my car in for fitment is next Tuesday. Ill update everyone from there.

 

bump 12345678

 

Actually, I am going in Sunday (1-25). They are going to take apart my intake manifold and look at it. They said that there might not be significant gains for the Maxima VQ because we already have thick gaskets made of rubber. Anyways, if he feels the gains are not going to be signifcant enough, he won't even make them. But, lets keep our fingers crossed. Hopefully they'll help, and be produced!

 

i respect them for not making them if there not going to help. will have my fingers crossed over this way. man, we N/A maximas need something to come our way like this.

since they are made of phenol resin laminate, wouldnt this at least help on the cooling over rubber ?

 

I'm definitely trying to squeeze every tenth or hundredth of a second I can out of my car while its N/A.

 

IMHO, a VE will see greater results than a VQ (esp. -K) will.

Would you trade for a Helix spacer from a 5.0 SN95 Intake? I'm poor

 

I was thinking about getting these installed on my car but I decided to do a little research to see which would be a better insulator. Looking around on the internet and thru some of my text books and Im finding that silcone rubber has a rating of .20 ~ .22 W/(m*K) whereas these phenolic gaskets have a rating of .29 W/(m*K) . The lower the number the better the insulator and it looks like the rubber gaskets the VQ30 has are better than what Outlaw engineering is offering.

The Outlaw gaskets would greatly help if Nissan used steel gaskets on the VQ manifolds like some other car makers do on their engines, but suffice to say were spoken for. I guess Nissan with their infinite wisdom already thought of this and used rubber gaskets to provide better thermal insulation. To me it looks like the only gain would be had by using these gaskets as spacers in the intake manifold to aid in producing a little more low-mid end power, but at the loss of high end power.

Oh if your wondering these phenolic spacers are basically made out the same material PC motherboards are made from. Commonly called G10 or FR-4 in the electronics world, it has excellent mechanical and insulation properties. As a replacement for steel gaskets its wonderful, but IMO for us VQ guys it won't work.

Links-

Thermal Properties of materials (given in W/(cm*K), multipy by 100 to get W/(m*K) )

Outlaw Engineering technical info

 

well maybe it will benefit just from a throttlebody spacer, not manifold, since our tb gasket is very thin rubber

 

the Throttle body gasket is a paper material.

 

Well I went over to see Sean Morgan of OE today. To sum it up, these won't be made. Unfortunately, they do not benefit the VQ (or do not benefit it enough to have them produced). The VQ already has thick rubber gaskets. These gaskets only help out the cars that come with metal, paper, or really thin gaskets.

He took a look at my intake manifold. He did some temperature readings of my upper and lower manifold..after my car had been driven some 10 miles. The lower manifold was around 180 degrees, while the top was about 120 degrees. The stock rubber gasket was already reducing heat by about 60 degrees.

I think Brian will have something to say, maybe add more detail to my response. But to any of you who are modding any other cars besides your Max, I reccommend these!

 

Just curious is the norm for OE or is this something uncommon for them to find? It sucks we cant get another good N/A mod, but its good that they're not trying to BS us and sell us something that doesn't work.

 

I would say it is uncommon. Sean only spoke of a few other cars that were similar.

 

Damn man, I just read the whole thread only to find that they won't be made....great.

 

Maybe you could make a exact replacement for the OEM gasket but in a different material. You cannot make the gasket thicker, the Gas recirculation valve and the bolts holding the manifold to the brackets would not fit.

A throttlebody spacer would be a good idea.

You could even make bigger gaskets for the lower manifold since they are metal. Then make a thinner gasket for the upper manifold so it fits exactly the same. I think the lower manifold gets twice as hot as the upper manifold.