Consolidation of my pics and track vids
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Consolidation of my pics and track vids
Vids:
Most current exhaust setup, revving. Includes cattman 3" with an extra resonator welded in place of the test pipe.
Most recent track videos from April 2010 at the local 1/8th mile. DA: 1800, gets down to around 1300 for the second video.
-First run ever on DRs
-Best run of the night, new PB overall. 2 .10s faster and 2mph faster than my 13.01@106
Older 1/4 mile NA times from fall 2009
-13.2@107.5 on street tires
-13.0@106 on slicks
My 1 track day on a 75-shot of nitrous in December 2008
Mods: autozone SRI, SSIM, Cattman headers/Y with open Y, untuned, 75-shot NX wet kit.
These vids were taken by some random dudes at the track, so they were focusing on their vehicles.
Most current exhaust setup, revving. Includes cattman 3" with an extra resonator welded in place of the test pipe.
Most recent track videos from April 2010 at the local 1/8th mile. DA: 1800, gets down to around 1300 for the second video.
-First run ever on DRs
-Best run of the night, new PB overall. 2 .10s faster and 2mph faster than my 13.01@106
Older 1/4 mile NA times from fall 2009
-13.2@107.5 on street tires
-13.0@106 on slicks
My 1 track day on a 75-shot of nitrous in December 2008
Mods: autozone SRI, SSIM, Cattman headers/Y with open Y, untuned, 75-shot NX wet kit.
These vids were taken by some random dudes at the track, so they were focusing on their vehicles.
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Bunch of timeslips from newest to oldest:
April 2010 1800DA


#77 November 2009 0 DA

#57 December 2008 (untuned, nitrous and NA) -500DA




Stock around July 2008 2000+ DA, #27

New drag radials


-Had a kinetix for a short time, didn't get any track results before selling it. Now using a BOP stocker while working on a SSIM.


April 2010 1800DA


#77 November 2009 0 DA

#57 December 2008 (untuned, nitrous and NA) -500DA




Stock around July 2008 2000+ DA, #27

New drag radials


-Had a kinetix for a short time, didn't get any track results before selling it. Now using a BOP stocker while working on a SSIM.


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Here's some old vids from about a year and a half ago when I was running a flowmaster muffler with stock resonator and cattman headers/Y
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In this race I was N/A on street tires with this mod list: autozone SRI, Vias delete stock IM, Cattman headers/Y with open Y, UTEC tuned to 6700
He was on street tires, 3" exhaust, intake, full charge piping, and a self-tune with HPtuners.
Hopefully with me having added several power mods and tuned to 7200 (+ much more timing), I'll get him on street tires. I still blow him away on slicks!
I'm 77 and he's 76
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Although it's cool to be able to say that there is nothing on a modded car that is stock, they usually end up way too busy, aggressive and flashy for a classy car like the Maxima (imo).
The only other change I would want to make to the external appearance is some fresh paint.
Eventually, should I get another daily and this become my drag/fun car, I will strip the entire interior (all sound deadening, seats, dash, door panels) and go with some lightweight carpet/padding, aluminum front seats (kirkey or similar), a 6-point chromoly cage, and minimalist sheet metal replacements for door panels and dash. Obviously this wouldn't happen until I was faster than mid 11s and actually need the cage, but would probably be 150-200lbs in weight reduction. Moreso than weight reduction, it would be fun to see people's faces when they saw the interior of the car and fun to drive with such a raw feel.
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It would be very difficult to get direct comparison dynos between the 2.
The Kinetix ports DO NOT match the stock LIM. The NWP spacer and lower manifold must be ported to match the Kinetix, otherwise it's pointless.
This creates a huge problem because in order to test it on the same day and same dyno with a SSIM, you would need a stock LIM and stock NWP spacer for the SSIM, then a port matched LIM and spacer for the Kinetix, and a lot of time to swap them out. Probably around 2-3 hours at a minimum for RTV to dry while you're paying 50-100/hour for the dyno time. That's a large total investment.
You of course could test it on different dyno days, but then you can only really compare curves and make a rough comparison with SAE corrections.
I had a SSIM for about 8-10 months. IMO it's extremely ghetto. It would be interesting to see what kind of flow/velocity characteristics are created by doing it. The big issue is that each SSIM is going to be different, another issue is that being done by hand, there will be inconsistencies. A too-smooth or a too-rough surface, imperfect or inconsistent radius on the remaining shelf material, too much or too little material removed, minor differences in the shelf removal towards the far end of the manifold, part of the elbow divider left in place, new total plenum volume... All unreliable and unsure factors when doing it by hand.
At leats with the Kinetix, you have an equal cross-sectioned and smooth elbow, an exact plenum volume based on development, and velocity stacks on each runner with no human error counted in.
The biggest problem with this manifold, which is confounding to me considering the amount of R&D that went into it and also likely to be the reason for only moderate gains on test vehicles, is that although the runners are perfectly matched to the position of the LIM ports, they are not the exact same shape.
The stock ports come in 2 different oval-shaped sizes, while the Kinetix ports are almost perfectly round. On the smallest width part of the oval shapes, you have as much as 1/4" of overhang where the Kinetix port is wider. Imagine how much turbulence that must create. It likely wreaks havoc on air velocity and completely counteracts any benefit of the design characteristics of the upper.
In a way, it is a good thing. Considering you port and properly gradient the LIM ports to match the Kinetix, you are opening up the cross-sectional size of the runners overall by a small amount, and taking full advantage of the velocity stacks, and probably even increasing velocity with the LIM runners getting slightly smaller as they approach the head.
Ultimately, you could open up the entire LIM by a decent amount matched with some ported or aftermarket heads, and probably see some impressive gains on an engine with cams and full control of intake CVTC.
It's amazing to me that through the dyno tests and generally lackluster reviews for the Kinetix, nobody noticed or thought to correct the problem with port mismatching. Especially Kinetix, themselves!!! Were they a little smarter, they could have spent a little extra time developing a perfectly matched LIM to go with it and very likely have seen much different results on the dyno.
I can honestly say the difference between the Kinetix now (with a port matched spacer/LIM) and my Vias delete stocker a week ago feels like the first time I tried out my headers or advanced the timing with my UTEC, for the butt dyno. The biggest problem with the butt dyno, though, is that it is much more effective at detecting changes in the SHAPE of the curve than it is at detecting the size of the curve. One thing for sure is that power comes on hard and early at around 3500 rpms, and I can not feel a drop off before hitting redline at 7200. The Vias delete mani started the kick in the *** more in the 3800 range, and there was obvious drop off after around 63-6500 rpms.
Wow what a wall of text! lol
The Kinetix ports DO NOT match the stock LIM. The NWP spacer and lower manifold must be ported to match the Kinetix, otherwise it's pointless.
This creates a huge problem because in order to test it on the same day and same dyno with a SSIM, you would need a stock LIM and stock NWP spacer for the SSIM, then a port matched LIM and spacer for the Kinetix, and a lot of time to swap them out. Probably around 2-3 hours at a minimum for RTV to dry while you're paying 50-100/hour for the dyno time. That's a large total investment.
You of course could test it on different dyno days, but then you can only really compare curves and make a rough comparison with SAE corrections.
I had a SSIM for about 8-10 months. IMO it's extremely ghetto. It would be interesting to see what kind of flow/velocity characteristics are created by doing it. The big issue is that each SSIM is going to be different, another issue is that being done by hand, there will be inconsistencies. A too-smooth or a too-rough surface, imperfect or inconsistent radius on the remaining shelf material, too much or too little material removed, minor differences in the shelf removal towards the far end of the manifold, part of the elbow divider left in place, new total plenum volume... All unreliable and unsure factors when doing it by hand.
At leats with the Kinetix, you have an equal cross-sectioned and smooth elbow, an exact plenum volume based on development, and velocity stacks on each runner with no human error counted in.
The biggest problem with this manifold, which is confounding to me considering the amount of R&D that went into it and also likely to be the reason for only moderate gains on test vehicles, is that although the runners are perfectly matched to the position of the LIM ports, they are not the exact same shape.
The stock ports come in 2 different oval-shaped sizes, while the Kinetix ports are almost perfectly round. On the smallest width part of the oval shapes, you have as much as 1/4" of overhang where the Kinetix port is wider. Imagine how much turbulence that must create. It likely wreaks havoc on air velocity and completely counteracts any benefit of the design characteristics of the upper.
In a way, it is a good thing. Considering you port and properly gradient the LIM ports to match the Kinetix, you are opening up the cross-sectional size of the runners overall by a small amount, and taking full advantage of the velocity stacks, and probably even increasing velocity with the LIM runners getting slightly smaller as they approach the head.
Ultimately, you could open up the entire LIM by a decent amount matched with some ported or aftermarket heads, and probably see some impressive gains on an engine with cams and full control of intake CVTC.
It's amazing to me that through the dyno tests and generally lackluster reviews for the Kinetix, nobody noticed or thought to correct the problem with port mismatching. Especially Kinetix, themselves!!! Were they a little smarter, they could have spent a little extra time developing a perfectly matched LIM to go with it and very likely have seen much different results on the dyno.
I can honestly say the difference between the Kinetix now (with a port matched spacer/LIM) and my Vias delete stocker a week ago feels like the first time I tried out my headers or advanced the timing with my UTEC, for the butt dyno. The biggest problem with the butt dyno, though, is that it is much more effective at detecting changes in the SHAPE of the curve than it is at detecting the size of the curve. One thing for sure is that power comes on hard and early at around 3500 rpms, and I can not feel a drop off before hitting redline at 7200. The Vias delete mani started the kick in the *** more in the 3800 range, and there was obvious drop off after around 63-6500 rpms.
Wow what a wall of text! lol
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I didn't say "older", I said "other old ones"
I didn't quantify whether they were more or less old than the cataract one, but noticing I hadn't debadged yet when the cataract pic was taken, then the other ones were post-debadging, that gives you an idea of a timeline
I didn't quantify whether they were more or less old than the cataract one, but noticing I hadn't debadged yet when the cataract pic was taken, then the other ones were post-debadging, that gives you an idea of a timeline
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I didn't say "older", I said "other old ones"
I didn't quantify whether they were more or less old than the cataract one, but noticing I hadn't debadged yet when the cataract pic was taken, then the other ones were post-debadging, that gives you an idea of a timeline
I didn't quantify whether they were more or less old than the cataract one, but noticing I hadn't debadged yet when the cataract pic was taken, then the other ones were post-debadging, that gives you an idea of a timeline


















now show us a pic of the "cataracts" taillaights














