Hey guys..if you remember this thread.. Dead 2k2 at the dealer.....have some info..please help!!!!


Update.....Its my mass airflow meter..i cant quite rememer what they said when they called. Anyway..i can't see how my Random Tech Cat. can kill my Mass Airflow Meter. Also..NO they wont warantee it, part is about 490..labor brings it up to about 780. Ive called 1800-nissan1. Since the service writer is out on vacation theyre gonna try and talk to the mechanic, about why my warantee claim has been denied. They dood on 1800-nissan was very nice and patient, listend to all my issues from me describing what went wrong, how these 2 things (mass air flow meter, and catylic coverter) are two totally different systems, essentially how could my exhaust make my intake go to sh*t. He's gonna get ahold of my local dealer and see whats going on. He did ask if i could go to anohter dealer..but since the car wont run I dont wanna pay 100 bux to have it towed 15 miles to the next dealer. I think thats unacceptable esecially on a 2002 with 21,000 miles. I havent notified my lawyer or anything..but the nissan cust serv. said they'll call back 24-48 hours. Hopefully everything will work out. I'll keep updating.

 

Go nissan! I've had trouble with my local dealers too.

 

490? thought they could just replaced the sensor....490 is the price for the entire MAF tube.

try a search on 5th gen forum, key word "MAF" with my name....I recently replied to a thread that someone listed the part no. for the sensor.

and it doesnt cost 290 labor to replace that sensor....should be done under 1 hour.


how did they explained that the CAT is causing the MAF failure?

 

Thats exactly what i thought....but he said Mass air flow METER...not the sensor....cuz i said "oh thats that 70 dollar part".he said..no..its the air flow meter...i dont know if its totally different. Well...i didnt ask simply beacuse its the 4th time my car has been there and i know the service people are pretty tired of seeing it. I spoke directly to 1800 nissan and theyre gonna contact the dealer.

 

u checked my 5th gen part sheets under "parts list inside"? it should have an independant sensor that can be ordered separately. My parts sheet said the exactly same thing as mass air memter and cost 400 something, but that's for the entire MAF tube.


if the tube is still there.....why replace it?

 

i'm going to guess that they tacked on the labor to find that it's the MAF

 

have you ever had nos on this car?

 

nope.,...hahahah no nos..otherwise i woulda had more of a problem than a maf sensor..probably a busted engine..hahhaha

 

You could try to turn the cat issue around and blame them. Tell them the airflow meter caused the car to misfire so badly that it melted the original cat. That's why you had to get an aftermarket one. Then get them to pay for the repair work and the cat.

 

I think the "RT Cat ruined the MAF" line is BS. However, you know what really caused the failure, right? You overoiled your K&N filter and now you want Nissan to pay for a ruined MAF? Don't play if you can't pay.

 

It's more than that. Apparently the MAF has been caused to malfunction quite often.

 

There have been about half dozen MAF failures on the 3.5 Altimas as well. All but one were from K & N oil impregrated filters. It looks like Nissan has a sensitive MAF on the VQ35DE.

Another insteresting tidbit. The stock Nissan filter has oil in it. I didn't believe it until I took it out of the box and plastic bag and let it sit out for a few hours.

 

It's a much more prevalent problem with aftermarket intakes and overoiled K&N's. Very few people with stock 5th gen cars have had a MAF failure. I have counted 5 people with stock and 25 with aftermarket/K&N intakes that have had a failed MAF. When you consider that the pool of people with stock intakes is twice that of aftermarket intakes, the odds of a failed MAF are ten times higher if you have an aftermarket intake!

 

from 2k2 on, they only sell the entire MAF tube. Nissan no longer sell the sensor alone.

 

thought they charged u 90 dollars for diagnostic first.....

 

Are you only referring to the cone intakes or the drop-ins as well?

 

The 2k2's seems to have a slightly different design on their MAF sensors which makes it more sensitive.

Pre-2k2's with aftermarket intakes don't seem to have as much of a problem with their MAF going out as the 2k2's do. Thus, it's a MAF issue. Even some 2k2 owners who had their MAF replaced reported seeing a different sensor/design in their new MAF's.

 

from what I saw, 2k2 & 2k3 have diff. MAF.

 

Both. People with drop-in K&Ns have also damaged their MAFs, usually due to overoiling.

 

I told you it was the MAFS!

 

Yea...i can play..and yes i can pay other wise id be driving a nissan sentra GXE....BUT...its common knowlege that nissans design of their MAF has made it ultra sensitive. I have an australian Skyline GTR magazine...they specifically state that "The only real bugbear of the airflow meter, particularly in a GT-R, is the lack of reliablity due to the manufacturing process Nissan used, and a sensitivity to oil conamination from aftermarket filters". They were talking bout swapping MAF bodies with a Vg30dett..since theyre a single 80mm..while the skyline has dual 63mm. So yea...were not the only one with the problem...im pretty sure if you bought a skyline..and dumped some aftermarket filters on it..youd want nissan to pay for a design flaw. Funny that most hondas...toyotas and most other cars you can over oil the hell outta the filter and it still runs fine.

 

oh..no offense to anyone who drives a sentra...i too drove a 1987 sentra E..no options except AC... WITH a K&N carburator filter!

 

And what do you suggest, asking Nissan to make their MAF compatible with aftermarket filters?? Good luck!

 

Larry tell that dealer**** to go Fck therselves, over oiling the filter is one thing but i do remember you saying that the dealership said it was the RT cat taht caused the problem.... just do as i did when i had a tranny/ECU problem, they said my aftermarket muffler caused my ecu to go out which was making my tranny lag from 1st to 2nd.... just tell the those two lil words "PROVE IT" then state that you can get a lawyer involved if the problem is not solved.

 

Do NOT PAY FOR LABOR!!!!!!!!

I'd push the POS off their lot and tell them to kiss my ***. Then I'd have DAVEB overnight a new MAF or see if you can just get the sensor and install it myself in 30-mins. tops.

Come on. $290 for 30-mins. of work!!!! That's BS.

Fight all you can, but if it comes down to them charging you, I'd take care of it myself.

 

I'd go ahead and order one off www.car-parts.com for $125(There are three 2 for $125 and 1 for $150).

That way you can drive the car OFF the lot and fight the uphill battle that your probably going to lose ANYWAYS.

This way at least you can drive/enjoy your car.

 

I dont' see either how the cat would cause that damage, unless it's really another one of those aftermarket products that hasn't got much field testing so to speak. Otherwise, just think, do people normally replace cats at the dealer or do they cheap out and to to Pep Boys or Midas? I got a new cat on my old volvo for $189 like 5 years ago, dealer wanted 3 times that. I would never ever consider that the Midas cat could mess up the motor.

What do you really think, it's your car? Something caused a part to fail that should last basically the life of the car. Look at it this way, if you end up having to pay the money to fix it, but everyone else learns from your pain, the WTF something good came out of your situation. But good luck, I'd tell you just try another dealer as long as the history isn't linked (I recently went to a dealer that hand writes the invoices still). Get AAA Plus for like $79 and you can tow your car up to 100 miles.

 

geeeeeeeezus ****1ng christ....daaaays later..i called last friday "bill" at nissan said they'd call me back...monday i call..can't get ahold of him..another cust. serv rep Leaves "bill" a voice mail. Tuesday i wait..no call..Wed I call..and "bill" says he'd call the dealership right after we got on the phone. Did not get a call back. I call this morning He's not at his desk so I leave another voice mail. I call back at about 1. Demand for a supervisor but get transferred to "bill". He says theyve been playing phone tag for the past few days. This is dragging on forver...i started to make demands...paying for a rental car...remburse on the towing. Whatever...theyre cust. serv. at corporate sucks too! Id just buy a sensor and throw it on right in their parking lot. But its not about that anymore. Its all about the frustrating time ive had with a nice 30,000 dollar car. It feels like im getting ****ed around and even nissan corportate isnt being agressive as id like them to be. They just super lagging and my car has be outta commision for the past 3 weeks now. Sorry to vent...but i will win...at all costs.

 

no

 

hmm are you mocking me?