When we talk about Maxima vs. M3, people say M3 only have 240hp, with bolt-ons like CAI, Y-pipe, CAT, GReddy, UDP, maybe even a JWT chip, a Maxima is making at least the same if not more hp. So ok Maxima might not take a M3 off the line since it's FWD, but in a rolling it can sure beat M3... blah blah blah

Now when we talk about hp/weight and trap speed, peopel say BMW lie and M3 has like 260hp, Maxima with all bolt-ons like Jim's could only make 230hp... blah blah blah

What a double standard huh? To twist the facts to use in your favor in different debates.

So let me ask you guys seriously:
What exactly is the HP increase for our beloved mods???

 

JWT/Stillen POP 2-4hp
CAI 6-8hp
Y-pipe 10-12hp

Arguing about hp, kills, mods: Priceless

 

So many other factors come into play when your talking about acceleration. It just doesn't have to do with hp and torque. It also has to do with powerbands, gears, platform, weight, traction, tires, conditions, and driver. Under optimal conditions, a well modded 5 speed Max vs a stock M3 5 speed is gonna be close, but I'd still give the nod to the M3. I got beat by a slightly modded M3 a few months back. We were nearly neck and neck off the line (we were on a concrete section of pavement = good launch for me). By 70mph he was starting to pull away and I let off.

I think the absolute best a 4th gen Max put down powerwise with a Y-pipe, catback, chip, UDP, and CAI is about 190fwhp and 210 ft/lbs of torque. It's hard to say what mods add what hp because they all work much better as a unit. I must say my Max is much quicker than I ever thought. Last weekend I lost by 1 car lentgh from 40-105mph to a modded GTP that runs 14.2@97mph. Plus I was running a full tank of gas and my 17s. I beat a GSX by a car to 75mph even after having to make up a 1 1/2 car length deficet off the line. I also took out a modded 96 Mustang GT 5 speed. I think a Max is hella of a "poorman's" BMW and sleeper.

Dave

 

Bottom line... M3's are faster than Maximas. Weather it be on a rolling start or off the line. An M3 will also easily out handle a Maxima. And lets not even get started with the new M3, I doubt even an SC maxima with all bolt ons can take one of those.

-Ramon

 

Are the same people who claim the M3's HP is underrated, the same who also claim the modded Maxima can get 240hp and hang w/ a m3?? We have ALOT of members here. So You gotta figure some don't share the same opinion.

 

The Max has a bigger back seat, that about it.

 

Well, I would agree with you that people tend to overexaggerate the HP gains for mods. But then, WHO CARES what hp other people think their cars make? I personally don't care if someone says a Maxima makes 240hp or whatever, because hey, if they lose a race to an M3 it's their own fault and no concern of mine.

Instead of posting that "Maxima people think this...Maxima people think that.." why don't you post what you think the hp gains are?

I dunno why you are making such a big deal about this. This is a MAXIMA BBS, and guess what, people here think the Maxima is a great car. It's just how proud parents think of their children...i.e. "my son or daughter is the best...etc.."

 

I don't know how many hp the mods will gain. if not many then how do they spank M3 right? but if too many then why they struggle on the trap speed??? muhahaha

 

Well I'm at 94mph thru the traps right now in 80 degree weather with 70%+ humidity and granny shifting. I'm also running at a track that is 1200' above sea level. So if I was at E-Town, my traps would be 95mph or so. Wait till the weather gets cold and the humidity (which eats more hp than heat) is in the 30% range, I wouldn't be surprised if I'd be running 96mph+. The only M3 I've seen run was consistently in the 14.9 range at 94-95mph. Remember that my track is kinda slow. Stock LS1 Camaros run high 13s, stock LT1 Camaros are running mid 14s, most modded Cobra Mustangs are only running high 13s. At other tracks these cars are in the low 13 to mid 13s.

Dave

 

Great you have a mid 09's trap speed, but that's not related to my point.
I just listed the cars in 4th gen forum that do 15's but with lo-mid 90's trap speed.
My *ONLY* point is: lo-mid 90's trap speed does not generally(I assume general means 8 out of 10, not 50/50) lead to a 14's ET.

 

Two different cars.

One cost a least $16K more than the other.

The Maxima is a family sedan...with some ooomph. The M3 is a sports sedan/coupe.

I do believe that the E36 M3s have 240bhp. It's their gearing that gives them so much acceleration. At 60mph, in 5th gear thoes things are pulling a little over 3000rpms...now that's some tall gearing.

Apples and oranges people. If you want to talk about competition for the Maxima...I think you should stick to the Camrys and Accords.

My $0.02...anyone got change for a dollar?

 

I agree with Albertt. The M3 is a sports sedan vs our "entry level" sport sedan. We should be comparing our cars to Camrys and Accords. We all own Maximas, we know they aren't the fastest things but damn it does feel good when we beat a sports car. And if we wanted fast, we would have sports cars.

 

No ****, its wasted bandwidth. 100 Turkish liras for Albertt

 

nm

 

Sorry to say, but some people here don't seem to be too bright.
This is NOT a Maxima vs. M3 discussion. The point of my original post is to laugh at those who twist facts to use in their favor in different situation.
When they eplain why a Maxima can beat a M3, they cliam M3 is weak and modded Maxima makes more HP. When they explain why M3 has a higher trap speed, they claim M3 is underrated and Maxima don't gain much HP with mods.
I think that's pretty pathetic so I posted this to make fun of them, I am not really asking how much HP gain do those mods add or which is a better car. Ok?
Got the point now Albertt???

 

I KNOW how much I gained because I dynoed my car several times.

Stock Maxima 5speeds have dyno'd in the 160 HP range. The lowest I've seen was 157, highest 163, and that's around 3-4 different cars. Torque was something like 170ish. The last time I dyno'd my car, I had 192 HP and 202 ftlbs. Although I didn't dyno my car when stock, I think assuming my car made approximately 160 is a reasonable estimate. That would make my HP gains at the wheels around 30 HP, or 35-40 at the crank. I haven't seen any N/A 5speeds dyno any more than that, so I'm guessing that 190 is pretty much tops with the current N/A bolt-ons. Figure 10 less for an auto...modify the auto with a higher stall TC and the number moves closer to a 5spd.

That dyno shop had a couple of walls with car photos and dyno numbers. Two M3 were up there, and both were right around 210 HP (at the wheels). One was 211 and the other something like 208. Mods weren't listed, but I've looked at other BMW sites and 210 HP seems to be a fairly typical dyno number for stock M3s.

There are your numbers. 160 (stock) vs 210. 190 (modified) vs 210. 5spds. Happy?

 

It's not very nice to make fun of people.

 

Anything over 90mph pretty much means 14s. It all depends on a good launch (atleast a 2.1 60'). Anything over 97mph is knocking on the 13s.

My old 94 Z28 automatic nailed a 13.91@98mph with a 2.0 60' when it was stock.

Dave

 

The Maxima is meant to compete with those of its own likes (Camry, Accord, etc). That's a reason you see that same line-up in auto mag comparisons. You'll never see "Motor Trend: Maxima vs. M3.

But, if you can slap on some goodies and have the Max give some cars it normally shouldn't compete with a good run, then why the hell not?

Blah blah blah...the M3 is better than the Maxima..why shouldn't it be and what is there to prove?

 

You must not have read my post earlier on this thread. I think it's PATHETIC to place any importance on soothing your irritated ego whenever you hear Maxima people talking about beating an M3. Like I said before, if they beat an M3, then good for them. If they claim their car is fast, and lose to an M3, IT'S THEIR OWN PUNISHMENT. There's no need to blatantly state your opinion that anyone who thinks a modded Maxima can beat an M3 is either wrong or exaggerating the facts.

I mean, WHO CARES what people claim about their cars. If they are going to be humiliated by an M3 because they choose to race their so-called fast Maximas against one, let them dish out their own punishment.

I've been on this BBS far longer than most people here. In fact, I was on the original Maxima BBS (on Evan's site) before Andi even got his driver's license. In all that time, I have never read even one post where someone has ever said an M3 is "weak." For Maxima owners, the M3 is a benchmark sports sedan (or coupe), and if they happen to dust one off the stoplight (by hp, skills, or by luck, it doesn't matter) then of course they will be proud of that. That doesn't mean that winning one race makes all Maximas faster than M3's.

Just my 2 cents....

 

In order to help you guys focusing on the original point instead of talking about non-related BS, let's cut thru the crap and I am asking this in a very simple way:
Ready??? ...
Does a NA Max with full bolt-ons make more crank HP than a M3 or not???

Just a simple yes or no please, no off-subject bull$hit.

 

Alright Woodear, here is what you wrote, so I am just plain cornfused now about the intention of your original post.

You originally posted:

"The point of my original post is to laugh at those who twist facts to use in their favor in different situation... I think that's pretty pathetic so I posted this to make fun of them, I am not really asking how much HP gain do those mods add or which is a better car."

Now you post:

"In order to help you guys focusing on the original point instead of talking about non-related BS, let's cut thru the crap and I am asking this in a very simple way: Ready??? ... Does a NA Max with full bolt-ons make more crank HP than a M3 or not??? "


Okay, I have a headache now....where's that aspirin...heh


Oh to answer your question, I think that would be no. But just because a Maxima has less hp than an M3 doesn't mean it can't win a stoplight race or two against an M3. Just not all the time.

[Edited by Eric L. on 09-08-2000 at 03:42 PM]

 

Do you read at all? I already posted the answer to your question above. Again.

The answer is NO. A full bolt-on 5spd Maxima (currently available bolt-ons) is still down 20 HP at the wheels, or 25-30 HP at the crank, from a stock M3 5spd.

 

Read Keven's post...
the answer is no.

Now let me ask you a question: why does that number matter? That number doesn't mean anything to me...

 

Ok, the answer is no.
Then Let me ask you this, what's up with the talking about a modded Max can take a M3 in rolling(granted being FWD it won't take them off the line)??? If you remember th debate from before, some people claimed Maxima makes equal or more HP modded so it will take M3 from a rolling start. Are they just full of $hit?

Now to answer your question, I didn't ask any number, I don't care about numbers. I am just having fun to use your own sword to attack your shield, ever read the Art of War by Sun Tze?

 

You are not attacking me b/c the subject of M3 vs Maxima doesn't interest me.

How ever to answer your question... Peak hp doesn't mean jack ****. All that number represents is hp at a given rpm. Can you stay in that RPM during the entire race? no. Power to weight ratio, gives a much better indication of performance, but it's still not perfect. Power/Torque curve will dictate a lot of how a car performs down the 1/4 mile. Gear ratio will also have a factor, tires used on either car driver's ability to make quick clean shifts, weight transfer all has to do with it.

So let's not just look at numbers. Yes I do believe that some modified maximas can beat M3's...

-Shing

 

might not be what others consider bolt on. I could bolt on some high compression pistons and head work and get additional gains.

 

I'm never wrong

 

i just don't pick losing argument to begin with
did you ever see me say m3 beats a 911??

 

Hi Chris...........

 

Whos this *** with both M3's in his sig. A maxima is a 4 door family sedan that just happens to have a good engine in it that people like to race. I would compare a maxima to a GS300, V6 Camry or V6 Accord. Look at the 240 hp Accord still loses to the 190 hp 4th gen Maxima. It is not always about peak hp numbers it is about gearing, and usable torque and hp. That is why 400-700 hp supras run 12's.

 

i can't beleive i just read a post from 2000... lol