well, i'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but guess what? i beat a porche 986 boxter w/ my very slightly modified maxima.
yeah, you'll probably say "the other driver probably sucked". yes he did. but it sure was fun. and he was racing; we pulled up to the line, and this motorcycle next to me yelled "i think this guy wants to race you!". so i'm thinkin "oh yeah right, a porsche? i'll get wasted" but i guess he didn't react fast enough... i beat him off the line by a couple 1/10ths of a second, but he was in my blind spot the whole time

i looked up the hp on his car: 205
my car (Stock): 160

all i have is a home-made ram air intake,
w/ k&n filter, and those fancy quad-prong
plugs.

the car's seemed pretty close to even,
so it was a driver's race, i guess.
but aren't those the most fun?

 

a win is a win, nice job man

 

Fo' real? Gotta give ya props. Like it's said....Winning is winning.
This kind of reminds me of this one ugly azz Geo Metro trying to out-run me last night. He had no chance. Hahaha those "cars" are garbage!
Which car do ya think is wack in trying to fit in the import-performance scene?

Holla back.
Peace.

 

Cavaliers..the worst man. But there are some fast ones..GM even offers a factory supercharger! Nad those pesky Neons too. Can never tell which is really fast or just riced out. There are some fast *** neons too..but personally, I think, I mean I KNOW they are crap. I have worked on so many NEons I should know..they are garbage. But the turbo is coming soon...dammit.

 

new mustangs that are riced out w/ a body kit & lowered to the ground w/ tint and a big sound system.

arent some of those new mustangs are 4 bangers! (?)

 

They don't make 4 cylinder mustangs anymore, they're all either a v6 or v8.

 

thats good.

hmmm. oh, theres another important detail of the kill story
i left out:

when we were about to race, i revved my engine at him, and it died,
so i had to start it up again before the light-- it was really funny (especially cuz i won)

 

hahahaha thats great stuff man

 

Well, since no one else is saying it, I guess I will. I think your story is total BS. First off, the Porsche Boxter comes available with two different engines, the base model with 2.7L that puts out 217 HP and the S model with 3.2L that puts out 250 HP. Assuming that it was the base model, the car's only a 2 seater and weighs a hell of a lot less than your Maxima, not to mention that it's got twin cams, variable valve timing, and new parts, plus it's German engineered. I've driven an '88 Porsche 944 with a little 4 banger engine that only put out 158 HP, and that thing was faster than my Max. So, assuming you did get a jump, he wouldn't have been driving right beside you the entire time, he would have easily overtaken you. Driving has nothing to do with it unless you're both driving sticks, then it's just a matter of who can shift better. But considering that he's got 57 horsepower over you and probably 300 pounds less weight, I doubt that would have been much of a factor. He would have probably only beaten you buy three car lengths instead of four. Plus the fact that your stalling out on the line only makes your car less likely to have had a chance in keeping pace with the Porsche. Either your story is total BS, or that dude was just toying with you and getting a good laugh at your expense.

-C-

 

O lord, I forgot the riced out mustangs..THE WORST..Especially with the Altezza tailights and huge wings..how gay is that?!!

 

I think we like to forget that a new car with 217 stock hp does not have 217 stock hp after years and years of use. Some cars will lose hp more so than others, depending on how they are driven. Of course people will doubt it, but with the way he told the story, and since it is a porcshe and may have been drivin hard for years, I am going to tend to believe the story. Comparing stock hp is ridiculous

 

I was just comparing stock horsepower to show how ridiculous his story is. Besides, how much horsepower do you think the car loses over the years anyways? Actually, it's quite the opposite, as the engine is broken in it puts out more power. The only way that it would lose power is if it needed a tune up or had some major mechanical problems. But considering the earliest that Porsche could have been made was 1997 and his Maxima is no newer than an 1988 model, my bets would be on the Porsche being in better shape, especially if he's stalling out just by revving the engine.

Furthermore, for a 2nd gen Maxima to beat a 217 HP Porsche Boxter, it would have to have at least 260-270 HP at the flywheel in order to compensate for the fact that it weighs more, only has a single cam with fewer valves, and doesn't have German engineered performance tuned parts.

Trust me, his story is BS.

-C-

 

Cmon, -C-, I took out that 95 M3 automatic, you saying you don't believe me? One thing I know about racing: it's all about driver...the less the driver knows about his car = more likelyhood that he will lose a street/road rage race.

-A

 

Actually, I don't believe anybody unless I see it with my own eyes, I've just been brought up to be very skeptical about stuff I read and hear. I try to look at the evidence and see if it's plausible before I comment on it though. I hate when these boards get filled up with BS stories about how people are beating new Porsches and everything else with an old, underpowered, overweight 2nd gen. I'm sure we all love the good old 2nd gen, but lets get real about the car, we'd lose in a race to a f*cking Ford Focus for Christ's sake.

So I don't know whether or not you beat that BMW. I don't believe the M5 came with an automatic in '95, I thought that it only came with the 6 speed, so maybe it was a regular 5 series that some idiot just put an M5 badge on it with a body kit. Also, the M5 put out 340 HP in '95, did 0-60 in 6 seconds, and hit 100 in 14 and some odd seconds, so basically a stock 5th gen would get anihilated, let alone a little 160 HP 2nd gen. Considering you've got an auto, and if that dude had an auto, what kind of driver skill is involved? You look at the light, when it turns green, you step on the gas, and try to keep the car in a straight line. Driving Daytona at 200+ takes driver's skill, doing 24 hours at Le Mans takes driver's skill, driving in a straight line with an automatic for a few seconds is about the car and who has a quicker reaction time.

My guess is that everyone who thinks they're beating some high powered performance car isn't really in a race, but the other guy is just playing around. I've done it before when I had my 325, idiots in little POS Honduhs and Toyotas would always want to race me. I'd stay right in their blind spot barely at half throttle, just to make them think like they're actually winning the race, and then get a good laugh about it afterwards cause they think their old POS car is some bad a$$ sports machine that just beat a Bimmer. When you've got a kick a$$ car, you don't feel the need to prove yourself at every stop light.

-C-

 

your telling me that a car has more output after 15 some odd years???? come on man, even you can't belive that, I agree once a car is broken in, it may distribute power better, but we are talking a couple years, not 9 or more. ???? Would you believe me if i said I beat an 89 escort, or you have to see it? I'm not trying to be a *ick, but I mean I'm sure you've told stories and expected people to belive him.



can we still be friends???

 

The car's age has nothing to do with the power output of the engine. If you had an '88 Maxima with 20,000 miles on it, it would run like a car with 20K miles on it, not like an old POS.

And yes, I do believe that a car is capable of putting out more power regardless of how old it gets. I can guarantee you that my car is outputting more horsepower than it did when I got it with 60K miles on it, simply because I've added an exhaust and intake and bumped up the timing.

Chances are however, that being that the Porsche is newer, it probably has a lot less miles on it and has been taken better care of the few years that it's been around, than some old Maxima that's stalling out on the line.

And yes, I would think that beating an '89 Escort was plausable because they're 90 HP pieces of sh*t. But a $50,000 200+ HP Porsche, that's a big difference man.

Oh, and of course we're friends, I'm not trying to flame anyone, I'm just trying to prove how unrealistic it would be to beat a new Porsche in an old Maxima. A 15+ year old Maxima taking out a $50,000 Porsche, just think about it man, it sounds totally ridiculous.

-C-

 

He said M3. 240 hp

 

Okay, for all you people who can't seem to get those rosy colored glasses off and are still disillusioned into thinking the 2nd gen Maxima can take just about any 200+ HP sports car out there, I've found an interesting coincidence.

Click on the post "now don't tell..." posted by Silver Panties a few days ago and take a close look at the link to his lame a$$ pictures.

Why the f*ck does his link have djsqueegee's name in it?

Could it be that Silver Panties = Djsqueegee ???

Like I said, this story is total BS. I know you guys want to see a 2nd gen Maxima take on a car like a Porsche, and who knows, if someone goes turbo and nitrous, maybe it'll happen. And I know people hate to realize that they have been duped, but that's exactly what has occurred in this case. Next time, let's be a bit more skeptical, especially when some newbie says he hauled a $50,000 Porsche. We were doing good spotting liars like 88Max2nv and Silver Panties, but we've definitely dropped our guard in this case.

-C-

 

ooooo good point, oh god how I hate silverpants, but can I make one more point Charles, all I'm saying is that a 13 year old car wiht 100k plus miles and no mods does lose some hp over the years, just becuase of displacment of power and slower flow of fluids and slight misfiring, can we agree on that? oooo wait, i just looked at djsquegee's and silverpants profiles, and for location they both wrote , ca they both used a comma and lower case letters, seems like an odd coincidence for two strangers who are the same age and who make ridiculous statements to write their homestates the same odd way. I bet its 88max2nv!

 

Oh God. I said I was squeezing...but if no one believes I took out that M3 it's fine by me. I was there, so I believe...me!

I can't find the original story on the 2nd gen site, but I will never forget that ~16-17yr old hottie in the back and the look on her face when that loser rolled up to me. DAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMNNNNN...

-A

 

haha nice man

 

gee, how long did that take you? you should work for csi.
btw, im not max88n2v or whoever.
heh.
i made some photoshop pictures, but they are not "bs"
cuz you would have to be a moron to know that theyre not
real....
if it took you that long to figure out the djsqueegee thing,
i'm suprised you didn't believe the insane photoshop cars i made.

i didnt say max's could beat any sports car. if it was a regular occurance, i wouldnt write about it. it was just my lucky day.
maybe he wasn't racing, or lost on purpose, or gets a kick out of getting embarrassed by a motorcycler... i don't know. i don't care.
i'm over it. are you? don't care either. i'm outta here.

 

I don't know, Brendan..... I am going have to agree with Charles with this one. One; a well worn engine will perform better for two reasons: the internal parts will be less acceptable to damage under a heavy load, like coming off the line under heavy acceleration. Two; even a dealer will tell you that you must drive your car under liberal conditions for at least 100 miles or more for better performance. Now, we are talking about a PORCHE! It can wear out a modifided Maxima on a brand new engine. That is what they were made for, racing. I (or anyone of you guys) would never baby a 911, Boxer, 944 , or even a Lamborghini thoughout my ownership (even if I had the money to rent it) without pushing its limits. Thats is what you call breaking in an engine. I even had my fun with a mustang, but I knew even that his clutch was screwed up, all he had to do was to push its engine limits, and he would have me as his hood ornament!!!! Yeah, dude, with no disrespect.....he gave you a serious head job. Just don't go back looking for him, he'll smoke the S.H.I.T out of you!

 

OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH...................BUSTED!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i still don't agree, take this specific example, you are telling me that a 87 max with 20k miles on it will not outperform a 87 max with 140k on it???? I totally disagree, the max with 20k will run smoother and faster

 

Not necessarily true. They might run neck and neck if the high miler was well maintained. Driver has alot to do with it too. One thing is for certain..if you look at acceleration and 1/4 mile times (even braking in some cases) in C&D and R&T followup articles, cars that have some milage on them perform better thatn new. Sometimes significantly, by a few tenths in 0-60 and 1/4. The big factor here is clearances. As the rings and bearings wear in, they open up a bit and there is less friction. Especially the rings which contribute to most of the friction losses. I'm not saying a high milage car will beat a low milage car, but it is possible to have it perform equally.

 

Hey,
I see I have been missing some good $hit. Daniel, you are indeed both silverpanties and 88max(not)2nv now shut the phuc up.
Brendan, Avalon, Charles, can I add one more piece to the mileage/HP debate (*note* I'm not assuming a position on this)? Most PCMs, especially those with a slushbox as part of the program, will adapt the program to the driver. If you consistently get into the throttle, the module will become accustomed to shifting out at higher RPMs, conversly, if you pooch it it thinks you want to shift out at a lower RPM range. This is evident to me when my wife drives my W body for a while. When I get it back it runs like crap for me and I have to "reprogram" it. A GM tech (for all that's worth ) confirmed that for me. Does a 2nd gen Max PCM/ ECU reprogram itself? I don't know. Is it a possibility? Why not?
Nice talking to you guys.
Johnny Lang

 

always good hearing from you John, good info

 

Hey, Brandan,
It's good to be missed. How's school going for you? Getting up on midterms soon. Best of luck with that and stick with it!
Your bud,
John

 

im confused, how did you know i was in school and have midterms soon? You spelled my name wrong too

 

Brendan,
Spelled it right this time. You said in one of the 88max2nv posts that you attend Dartmouth(sp?) I probably remember that because that's one of the schools usually ranked with the UW system for party schools. As for mid terms, it's that time of year.

 

haha ok nice, its not ivy league dartmouth, still a good time though. Finals are acutally coming up soon, thanks for the concern man. -Brendan