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Old Jan 30, 2001 | 04:40 PM
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I have a '97 5spd, and I'm wondering if there's a way to get remote start on it. I hear we have a remote switch and it can be wired to the remote, so it won't start unless it's in neutral. Is it that easy?
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 05:15 PM
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Its super easy now. Some people at school were talking about it. He has a 99 gsr and he said all the shop had to do was bypass the clutch. All I rember worth posting....
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 05:16 PM
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Can this work be done anywhere?
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 05:49 PM
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I'd think so, unless you live in super rurle areas where you get shippments of food every 10 weeks..

I don't think its anything new. I say goto like a stereo shop or some other car place. Don't think best buy would have it but i know its possible and a common thing now. If the shop says its not possible tell em to talk to me , not really but tell em to go do some homework.
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 06:05 PM
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This is what I'm also trying to do with my 97 SE as well (which is stick). I wired my old 90 Camry with automatic start, but it was also an automatic. That was the easiest remote start i've done. THere was one constant, one ignition, one accesory, one ground and one starter wire. According to Matt93GXE, our nissans have 2 starter wires. I dont understand why they have two starter wires either. From my understanding, all it needs is just another relay. Can anybody shed more light on this 2 starter wire ordeal?

I am also going to try to integrate this with the factory alarm system, and put some sort of "neutral safety" relay in, so the unit will only work when the car is parked in neutral. I'll let you know what i find out. post what you find out here too...
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 06:47 PM
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it is possible

it is possible because i have it on mine. they just by-pass the clutch. becareful though, some shops will not do it because it is against the law to have it on a 5-spd.
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 06:53 PM
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I have a Command Start in my '01 Neon Winter driver. Here is how it works:

1) Put the car in neutral, apply the parking brake, and make sure you aren't touching the brake pedal. Now is also the time to make sure the heater controls are set properly

2) Press Button 1 on the fob. The parking lights come on and the engine is still running. Now you can turn the key in the ignition and take the key out. The engine remains running.

3) Get out of the car (don't touch the brake...old habit) within one minute and press Button 1 followed by Button 2 within three seconds. The engine will shut down and the marker lights will flash three times to let you know the sytem is activated.

4) Remote start your car, and when you open a door you have 20 seconds to insert the key in the ignition or it will shut down. Simple as that.

IMHO bypassing the clutch safety feature is stupid and will eventually bite you in the A$$ when the car lurched forward into someone else's because you forgot to put it in neutral. Just my 2 cents. Good luck.
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 07:13 PM
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The new Clifford alarm has it..

Yeah, you can have it done but like other people said, bypass this, bypass that... leave it in first just once and watch your car take a lunge..
The new clifford alarm has it to where it does not need to be bypassed. If you leave the car in 1st and try to start it, it won't start, that easy...The alarm is kinda expensive though..
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 07:42 PM
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I am definitely going to get one of these things. About how much are they to have professionaly installed? My friend ordered one from e-bay and thought he was going to install it himself until he got it. He has a number for a quote but hasn't called them yet. I have never done anything to a car before besides changing batteries/lights. Is it that complicated? What kind do you recommend. I have a factory alarm and dont need a better one. When your car is started are the doors locked or unlocked?
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 07:46 PM
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Guys, All Nissan's have a Transmission neutral switch in 5spds and autos. My 2k Sentra has this switch and the alarm shop finally got a 5V relay and connected it to this switch, so when the car is in gear it has 5v coming from it and when it looks at all the sensors before it starts it sees a open one and won't allow the car to start. But when the car is in Neutral, it is ground, and will allow it to start. Check your ESM. It works..
Old Jan 30, 2001 | 10:27 PM
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Hey Russ, that's great to hear we got a neutral wire. Now all I gotta do is find out which one it is. I wish I had a wiring diagram or a OE service manual.

Got a question too, I heard another reason it is bad to remote start a 5 speed is because of the extra load placed on the starter motor from having to turn the clutch while its engaged as well as the input shaft to the transmission? My response was that the clutch and shaft really don't add that much load since it will be in neutral. Any truth to my thinking of am I FOS?
Old Jan 31, 2001 | 06:08 AM
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That is only if it was left in gear without this safety put on. It will start, the car will jump 10-15 ft till it hits something. That is why this switch is a must. Trust me! With the car in N it won't go anywhere and it will start like you are starting your own car.

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Hey Russ, that's great to hear we got a neutral wire. Now all I gotta do is find out which one it is. I wish I had a wiring diagram or a OE service manual.

Got a question too, I heard another reason it is bad to remote start a 5 speed is because of the extra load placed on the starter motor from having to turn the clutch while its engaged as well as the input shaft to the transmission? My response was that the clutch and shaft really don't add that much load since it will be in neutral. Any truth to my thinking of am I FOS?
Old Jan 31, 2001 | 07:10 PM
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Hey Russ, can you give me some more info on how your install went? The remote start I am looking at right now has a negative safety remote starter disable input. This is for say a hood pin or for the door pins. However, this is quite the reverse of what I need, as the neutral switch is "ground" while in neutral. I'm assuming that the 5 volts are only seen when the ignition is engaged, or the battery would be drained long ago. I suppose I can wire it up with a 5 volt relay, so when it "sees" 5 volts, it "grounds" the signal so that the car will not be remotely started. When the car is in neutral, the relay will simply "float" so then the remote starter will be able to start. The unit I am looking at is the Autoloc unit that should be able to integrate with the OEM alarm system. I have a few questions about the OEM alarm I'll post in another post.
Old Jan 31, 2001 | 07:30 PM
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Yes, that negative safety switch is actually only for the hood pin and trunk in case someone is in front or rear of the car. That is what you need to tap into with your relay and neutral switch. My alarm place did it so I can't really tell you how it is wired. I just know what they told me. My alarm is the Avital Avistart 6500..... Clifford is part of Avital as well...

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Hey Russ, can you give me some more info on how your install went? The remote start I am looking at right now has a negative safety remote starter disable input. This is for say a hood pin or for the door pins. However, this is quite the reverse of what I need, as the neutral switch is "ground" while in neutral. I'm assuming that the 5 volts are only seen when the ignition is engaged, or the battery would be drained long ago. I suppose I can wire it up with a 5 volt relay, so when it "sees" 5 volts, it "grounds" the signal so that the car will not be remotely started. When the car is in neutral, the relay will simply "float" so then the remote starter will be able to start. The unit I am looking at is the Autoloc unit that should be able to integrate with the OEM alarm system. I have a few questions about the OEM alarm I'll post in another post.
Old Jan 31, 2001 | 08:02 PM
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an someone w/ the FSM scan the page

where the 5V neutral wire diagram is.

I sure would like to get auto start on my 5sp.

My auto max has it, but not my 5sp. All the shops are scared of the liability involved.

Tony, 1max2nv, you out there? I think you've got a fsm, right? Come on, help a brother out.

peace.
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