than the Maxima 6 speed (outside of 3.5 VQ's(Alty/G35)about the same-
anyway they are family-
Withour forced induction(blower/turbo) 2k2-2k3 Maxima most likely the most powerful vehicle for price in its class-!!!Is there s faster car(1/4mile) stock in its class-?

 

Turbocharged Audi A6 comes pretty close, doesn't it?

 

What's about the new Acura Type's TL/Cl ain't they like 265hp?

 

There's not a faster car because as you probably already know too well, too much HP and torque + FWD = mad wheel hop and torque steer. No flames please, but that's just the fact. Be happy with what you have but at the same time get rid of that snotty attitude. There are both pros and cons associated with this category.

 

I said no forced induction- anyway for a turbo we are pretty even-

 

Faster or quicker?

As far as "Faster" goes, just about any other car out there that can do 140mph (130 if speed or drag limited)

 

My thread specifically states 1/4 figs stock

 

think about this... what 4dr/6cyl/auto can you get for less than the maxima--comparably equipped. I think Hyundai Sonata and Land Rover Freelander (when on sale) are it. I'm not talking about alternatives to the maxima, I'm just saying that an '03 maxima with $6000 off MSRP is the cheapest car in class. Not to mention 0-60 in ~7s and unique styling.

 

TL/CL aint shyt- The TYPE S's compete- But they are sport tuned
machines- w/advanced ECU/intake manifold/exhaust/tranny-
The maximas are the same across all trim levels- we do not have
a SE-R or GT-R version of our car- and besides w/5 fewer ponies
they still have identical 1/4 mile figs- Put an intake in the max
and its on- All I have in my car is a Frankencar midpipe/K&N
and my neighbor has a black TLS w/tiptronic and he cant get
past my rear doorhandles

 

As a owner of a six speed, and many members here will agree with me
you can launch the Max fine off the line with out the wheel hop-
That is if you know how to drive
So I dont know about you youngsta, but I've been driving manual tranny's for over eight years-
As far as snotty- I asked a specific question , which you dont
have an educated comment to answer properly- so stay off the thread if you do not know how to read-
By the way I'm very proud of my MAX

 

E36 BMW M3 4dr w/5 speed:

 

WHAT?

Look at your original posting:

You said NOTHING about "no forced induction". You talked about the vehicle price, class, and faster car 1/4 mile stock.

 

Exactly as proud as I am of my purchase- Watch out for "maxima enthusiast" out there that dont even have a Max(or a fifth gen)for that matter and like to talk smack - makes u wanna wheelhop on their neck

 

I am pretty sure the new Grand Prix will go nose to nose with an Autotragic maxima,

6 speed there is no equal

 

Actually, even 1/4 MPH is similar to other vehicles in this class. IIRC, even the TSX has a similar MPH but slower overall ET in the 1/4.

Then again, it's hard to gauge due to the different conditions and drivers.

 

You are right- my bad - my original post dindnt go though(56K) it was
erased- hence I wrote a new one and forgot to include it-
Anyway this is a 5th gen forum and would like to inform everyone
that A 2004 Grand Prix GTP competition edition w/a paddle shifter
for $30 K cant break a 1/4 mile in under 15sec stock (260hp/280 lb/tq)w/a supercharger- And a $35K TLS- equals the Max in performance as well as a twin turbo A6 2.7T that costs $42k
So again for its class/S$$ is ther a vehicle out there (4dr 6cyl)
normally aspirated egine that outperforms the 3.5VQ-

 

THANK YOU

 

A TSX is a 4cyl- and it has to burn oil and scream to get the 200hp its rated at- just like all the other vtech's- no torque

 

Have you even driven one? I own a Max and an avid Nissan Enthusiast but i have to hand it to Honda for making a very smooth 4cylinder on the TSX.

At 200hp and 176lb/ft of Torque, that's not exactly "no torque" in my book. Compared to Nissan's 2.5L I4, Honda's 2.4L I4 iVTEC is pumping out more power and Torque.

 

What about the Altima 3.5 manual????? Cheaper and just as fast or even faster.

 

Isn't that an M5?

 

Nope but you are comparing it a Maxima- Its definitely a sweet car
an probably fun to drive- But you wont feel the same pull when
you hit the gas at any gear-as u do in the max- with the vtech's
there is a long climb to the powerband-and you have to calculate where you leave the last gear so that in the next gear you land at the beggining of the power band-otherwize like i said its a long climb
out-

 

Even- anyway I hear the torque steer is worse on the Alty's!? 5speed
3.5 VQ's Rule

 

He just said without force induction. So A6 doesn't count.

AA

 

What about the new accord V6 240hp manuals???? i bet those are pretty quick!

 

Esp if they use higher octane gas, at which point it seems to correspond to about 250hp at the crank.

 

Nope!! M3!

 

unfortunatly with hondas unparalleled aftermarket support soon
enough they'll be ricing- but not stock, I think they run 14.9's
15.0's Anyway peak hp at 6250rpm/212 tq at 5000 rpm- I hate Hondas-
probably cause when younger I used to have to push a Honda mower around

 

Its times are slower than the 92 VE manuals from what I've read, I think any Max 92 VE manual on up will outrun one, I dont want to mention what an 02-04 would do to it in the straights.

 

According to his ORIGINAL posting, he NEVER said 'forced induction'.

You're a little slow there, AA.

the A6 counts.

 

Brother has a 2003 Accord EX Coupe manual.... he runs 14.5 stock trim and 3,000 miles, but he is a great driver, he's consistently driven 6 speed maximas at the track and gotten 14.1-14.0 times, the guy even got a civic SI with intake and clutch to do 15.1!! They usually do 15.9 or so.

The guy at the honda dealer was talking about a new 280hp CL-S, im tempted!












NOT

 

Very interesting!!! Especially seeing as the CL is being discontinued!!

 

holla!!!!!!!

 

Thank goodness Manny is the only ****ing idiot on this board. Most people do not have a certain burning feeling of hatred for a car manufacturer. If a company builds what I think is a great car, I give it props or you may even see me driving it.

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The TL-S goes for around $30,000, not the overinflated price of $35,000 you quoted.

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The wheelhop is a problem for most 6-speeds. At several of the recent Maxima meets here, every driver of an SE 6-speed who has been to the track mentioned that they got their fastest times on the runs they pushed their cars the hardest, and incidentally the wipers turned on each time. I remember one of the regulars on this board from Alabama (sorry dude, it's been a while so I forgot your name) who has had much experience with manuals (and running at the track) bring up this issue. In addition, NOBODY BACKED YOUR CLAIM THAT the Maxima can be launched without wheelhop. There are certain facts and the rest is BS and you're out of luck because I am too familiar with Maximas for you to pull this BS on me.

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Finally,
I have video (still unencoded as of yet) of me running my friend's auto 2003 SE last week. I am stock. He has an intake giving him ~8 to 10 hp according to another thread on this forum. During each run, except the first where I had the A/C on, he steadily lost ground as we approached 110 MPH, with me starting out right beside or a little behind him each time. By the end of the race, I could no longer see him beside me and he said he was behind my bumper. Of course, the reason you beat your neighbor's TLS could be because you have a manual and he has an auto, which really isn't a fair comparison. In fact, I could also point out that the TLS is an older car / design than the 3.5 SE's. I've had my TLS since March 2001.

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Oh and by the way, this is a forum so I can post if I want to as long as it's on topic. I know you're proud of your Maxima but I'm positive you've got your head stuck so deep into your car's tailpipe that you think your car is the best **** on the street. Wake up. The truth has already been posted so I am done with this idiotic thread. Any time you need to catch a dose of reality, feel free to come back and read this post. I'll leave it right here for you.

 

It's true that the little honda has more HP but the qr25de has more torque, 181 lbs. of torque. I just couldn't overlook that bit of misinformation, and let honda get more credit than they deserve. Also, the qr25de models i.e. the sentras and 2.5 altimas are only a couple of mods from 200hp.

 

Actually, I will back his claim...a Max 6 speed can be launched without wheelhop, I do it all of the time. It really isn't that hard once you get the hang of it

 

Ditto.

 

Not to mention the Audi will need lotsa repairs before 100,000 miles, and your Max will keep going to more thaq double that.

The Acura is a very close match, both are excellent cars. The A6 a tad behind.

 

181? Last i checked the S-V had 180lb. ft of torque. But granted, even then that's only 4lb.ft more than the Honda.

I also wouldn't go as far as comparing a stock KA engine with a QR w/ mods (e.g. to reach 200hp). Mod/mod i've seen the KA respond a lot better to it than any QR i've seen to date.

I'm not pro-whatever, i just thought it was worth mentioning what the KA can do.

p.s. my apologies for the misinformation and thanks for correcting me