so today after church my cousins friend with a TL-S wanted to drive my car and see how much power and if it "even compares" to his car, after drivin it he was like nah its not as good and he thought it wont have a chance with his car. So i told him itll be a good race sicne i have alot of low end torque and i was telling him he only has high end and not enough low end to take me from dead stop. he kinda agreed sayin yeah itll be a close race so to make it all short we raced from the light on the way home. im automatic and he was usin his autostick. so i put my auto to 2nd and when light turned green i didnt brake torque and just slammed it, causin alot of wheel spin so he had a head start over me. he had a good half car head start but within 2-4 seconds i was creepin up on his front bumper VERY FAST when i looked down i was reachin 6500rpm on 2nd gear and let go of the pedal and shifted to 3rd and by then i had about 3 cars in front of him and i was gone...at the next light he was just smiling at me since he sees me as his little brother im few years younger then him and i just shoved a big sock up his mouth then we went to his house and i helped him wax his car...

 

dude.....seriously you can 86 your tranny doing that rev and drop into gear stuff...

good kill tho!

 

I like our 5th Gens much better than the TL S.

 

My sisters TL can't even beat a GA GT in the 2st two gears....thats SAD

 

my mom's tl hauls just as hard as my 2k3se

 

you let go of the pedal...wth for? For the people thinking you can pull 3 cars on a tls think again. They are a closer match and could possibly pull on a stock 02-03 auto from a 60+ roll. From a stop and a decent launch you should jump ahead of a tls but not fly by it and put 3 cars on it at the top of 2nd with a poor launch

 

My moms pulls JUST as hard as my 2k2. The TL is actually much faster in Auto mod w/o that dumb autostick crap.

 

I raced one in my 2k auto GXE. I had him by a half a car at 100, although granted he probably wasn't pushing his TLS as hard as I was pushing the Max.

 

almost sounds like his friend bought his Type S badge on ebay...

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2427864185

 

DOH would you look at that Pwned

 

you mean by him letting go of gas, then switching gears? oh yeah good kill, but was it really 3 cars? im not doubting you its just that those cars are kind of sick and are a perfect match for our cars.

 

He didn't neutral slam, he said he put the tranny into 2nd then hit the gas.

 

lol some little idiot over the weekend was doin that. he was killin his transmission and me and my cousins were just laughin at him killin his altimas transmission(it was 95 i think) i wanted to go over and show him how to really do it but i'd rather just watch him pretend that his car has the ***** to do it...

 

A 3.5 Maxima Auto VS. a TL-S Auto should be kinda even. Did he forget where the gas pedal was?

 

i didnt neutral slam or anything just went up from2nd to 3rd and if it causes a problem i have a certified transmission guy to work on it for free at my dads shop so im not even worried...if the transmission goes out who cares thats what extended warranty is for but as for the TL it is a type s fully loaded wtih ground effects kits from the factory and yes it was about 3 cars in length but then again he mightve just let go of pedal when he saw me creeping up and passin on him

 

thats more likely. or maybe him being your "big bro" he wanted to let you feel good. or maybe he was embarrased that you beat him and let off the gas. either way, nice race.

 

I drove both cars back in January 2002 back to back.
I bought the Maxima.
Why? Well, with it's greater torque, it just felt stronger than the TL-S
There was no doubt about it.
The TL-S actually is a tick or so quicker because mainly it's 5 speed auto tranny with an axle ratio of 4.43
Compare that to the 02/03 auto Max's 4 speed auto with an axle ratio of 3.79.
The TL-S weighs a couple hundred pounds more too.

The cars are pretty well matched, but the TL has the advantage in the high end, and the Max the advantage at low to mid speeds.


Oh, and let me clear something up...

Putting your automatic gear shifter in 2nd for take of does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for you.
Your car will automatically start in 1st gear anyway, and then shift to 2nd gear just the same as if it was in drive.
The ONLY thing you did there was cause your tranny to stay in 2nd and then take a bit longer to shift to third.
It's a complete fallacy to think you have any advantage in doing that.
Leave it in drive.

And slamming you gas pedal down is NOT the best way to take off.
You should have brake torqued just a bit, then eased the gas down swiftly as you release the brake, getting a bit of wheelspin but not so much as to waste time spinning the tires.

I believe that you pulled up on him in the low speed range, but if he would of kept the plank nailed to the board, he would of started to pull on you a bit as speeds grew. Well, maybe not with that "aero" kit that they offered, which does two things:
1. Adds weight to the car
2. Makes it less "aerodynamic" as it catches the wind!

He most likely lifted off as he saw you pullin up on him. He probably didn't want to go any faster on a public street and he saw that in reality the two cars are pretty well matched.

 

thanks driver for the nice thorough breakdown. i want to try and race one see how good they are 1st hand

 

One minor comment. Agree that putting the tranny in 2 did nothing; but manual shifting from first to second IS better than leaving it in drive. You can then force the tranny to shift at redline, instead of just past 6k, and it's faster. Shift from 1 to 2 at around 6k (WOT) and the tranny will actually make the shift around 6,500.

 

hey gooey, nice car, i have the same setup, sheer silver 2k3 SE, fog light bulb replacement, clears, piaa w2s, 35% llumar tint, grill tech, injen on the way also.. kinda....i am broke too... =)

On another note, my friend has a blue 2k3 tl typre s, its nice... it was a even race at 110mph... but his ride is more comfortable, we too stiff...

 

Absolutely right...and if you combine that with a 1200-1300 RPM torque converter flash (similar to torque-braking, but you don't hold it for as long), you'll get him off the line pretty good.

I think it goes like this between the TL-S and the '02-'03 Maxima during a race...

Maxima off the line due to TQ advantage

TL-S starts to catch/pass due to VTEC and gearing in second (IIRC)

Maxima owns TL-S down the home stretch due to better gearing in third for the auto tranny...



I "think" that's right...I might have swapped something around, though.

 

Street races =

Nice run!

 

...that's assuming the Max gets traction.

 

I agree, but its actaully not a tick quicker even up to 80/90 from a stop. Been their done that.

 

All of this is with an auto Max. How would a 6-speed max compare to the TL-S?

 

If you only TQ flash to 1200-1300 RPM you'll get traction. If no wheelspin is heard, then do a very fast throttle build up (don't just punch it)...like fully depressed throttle in slightly under a second...

 

You shouldnt have a problem most TLS's I have seen are trapping in the same range as 02/03 autos from 92-94mph and running slightly slower 1/4 mile times than 02/03 autos.

 

well i put the gear in 2nd not to start off at second im not an idiot like you think i am but only cause i didnt want the car shiftin to 3rd too early and leavin it on second and pendin on the driver you can take your car to 6000+rpm on 1st gear which i did and leavin it on drive is no fun besides i hate my auto and regret it so i gotta have a little fun