Hey everybody, as some or most of you know we have just finished up a turbo kit for the 3.5L Altima and are currently in the R&D phase for fitment on the Maxima. We've been receiving numerous requests to build a QUALITY kit for the VQ30DE Maxima. So we want to hear it from you, what exactly do you guys want? We can do what the other turbo kit makers do and not make manifolds, just make a crossover pipe to merge the two existing manifolds and run a nice T04E or whatever. We want to hear EVERYONEs input so fire away

 

Something nice that can give me about 250whp, and can be upgraded, for something close to a S/C price.
I don't know

 

Ok, thanks for the input. We can make options available that can make your car capable of (what you want 250WHP) upgradable to 500WHP, The skys the limit. How about this, we will make a stage 1 turbo kit that is very basic (no manifolds) just a crossover pipe, and then we can make a stage 2 turbo system good for 500-700HP that will be upgradable from the stage 1.

 

250whp is too low for my taste but we need a RELIABLE kit that impliments upon stock internals, 300zx injectors may need to be used w/e but mainly for stock internals without killing the life of the vq30de too much. I still like Hlh0501's t3/t4 system at 10psi and 450whp w/o NX

i know we gotta pay to play but saving some doe with being able to have peace of mind about the engine not blowing up would be nice, some engine management system also to keep us running a lil richer.

 

Ok 95snake, a reliable kit is usually justified by increasing the HP by 50-60%, now thats just a general rule of thumb. But if you take all of the pre-cautions like do a decent fuel system, make a decent turbo design and effectively accel in all of the above categories then you should have yourself a very reliable kit. But we all know how the boost bug bites and you always want more.

 

The pic in your sig is to large. Please shrink it down.



On the "kit" that you have made... can we see some GOOD, up close, hi res pics of the welds and the clearance inbetween the down pipe and the transmisson. Pics of ground clearance, the bends for the IC and y-pipe.


You would HAVE to keep the stock fans.

Give people options about the BOV, wastegate, intercooler, and turbo.


This is a start

 

Here's a pic of our RX-8 Turbo Kit up-close.

 

We have posted all of our Altima Photos, but check here www.ssr-engineering.com/AltimaTurbo

 

Please make a croosover pipe design. I think that would make it possiable to run larger turbos on our cars. If you were just to make the crossover I could make the intercooler piping.

I don't like how you put the turbo so low on the altima. I think the turbo would have to be near the radiator. If you could make new hinges to mount the radiator farther from the engine and nearer to the grill to make from for the turbo. That is what I am trying to do. Close to SX7's design but not so low.

 

Well, making a kit for an N/A car can be hard especially when your trying to keep installation time, and fabrication down to a minimal. We try to make our kits as installer and tuner friendly as possible. without removing the battery and relocating it we had no other choice then to place the turbo there. But on the Maxima the battery isn't an issue, so we can make it so its somewhat higher, but not high enough to heat our intercooler piping up.

 

If we already had a turbo setup, Could we buy the manifolds seperately?

 

I would be interested in a turbo kit that makes 280-300 WHP and is quick to spool with lots of bottom and mid range torque. Ease of installation and quality components with different stages of included items would also be good.

 

Yes you would.

 

what kind of time estimate could you give us for these kits to be released?

 

i really like the welds on the rx kit, nice rolls.

i think moving the radiator to make more space is a really good idea

 

It all depends on when we get a car down here for development. But we could squeeze it off before or during summer time.

 

I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the whole turbo issues, but IIRC, one of the problems with the current kits is with the oil return line locations. ??Maybe offer a tapped oil pan??

 

We give you the fitting to Tap it, most or any performance shop should be able to tap a 1/2'' NPT Fitting for you.

 

Ever consider doing a 3rd gen VE30DE kit?

 

Quality FIRST, price SECOND, upgradeable THIRD.

Yeah, I know what you're saying, however we need to keep things simple, ie using stock manifolds with crossover pipe, Vortech FMU or similar and stock injectors for fuel enrichment for a "Stage 1" kit up to 5-6psi.

Something like this:

Stage I(<5psi):
non-BB T3/T04E
Crossover/compressor discharge/down tube piping
T-clamps/silicone hose connectors
Cheap generic whoever BOV, WG
Vortech FMU
Oil feed/return

Stage II(<10psi):
Stage I stuff plus:
Basic IC w/piping
Tial WG w/dump pipe
HKS BOV w/recirc pipe
Vortech S-FMU
Hallman MBC
Walbro 255lph HP

Stage III(<15psi):
Stage I/II stuff plus:
Turbonetics SINGLE BB T4/T04S or FULL BB GT30R(option)
Spearco IC
Split Second or eManage
440cc RC/Bosch injectors
3" exhaust

Stage IV(15+psi):
Stage I/II/III stuff plus:
SS manifolds
Tubonetcis SINGLE BB T4/60-1 or FULL BB GT35R(option)
Biggest Spearco possible
550cc or bigger RC/Bosch injectors

I'll stop there, but there's lots more crap you could offer for more money like J&S Safeguard, Aquamist, EBC, AFC, eManage, EGT/FP/Boost gauges, oil cooler, Jet Hot/Swain Tech coating, engine internals, etc., however I'd leave all that up to eWhore shopping because you really can't really compete price wise. I'd personally rather piece all that together, however some buyers would probably want some kind of bare-bones basic included gauge package like EGT, FP, boost.

One more "stage" might be called a "Tuner Kit", which includes:

Tuner Kit:
Crossover/compressor discharge/down tube piping
T-clamps/silicone hose connectors
Flange type of choice, ie T3/T4, T4, GT, etc.
Oil feed/return(optional)
3" exhaust
SS manifolds
Biggest Spearco possible w/piping

That way I can buy/tweak my own turbo, add my fuel system, EBC, WG and BOV of choice, yet have all YOUR top quality basic necessities I can't buy/make myself. I understand most companies don't offer this option, since there are fewer components to include at "extra markup", but I'd rather pay you what markup YOUR components are worth and supply the rest myself. You guys make top-notch tubing/welds/mounting, so that's really ALL I'm interested in buying.

 

It will be interesting to see their price point on these kits.

FWIW i offered to let them have my car as long as they needed to get a quality kit worked out for us fourth gens, but their "at cost" quote to me was 3-3.5K for a basic kit.(FYI, i live in FL) There was little to no communication as to what all the "basic" kit would include. Hope they get it worked out for us but i have little faith in their honesty through my limited dealings with them.

 

what wasn't honestly covered? A basic kit is going to be similar to other basic kits out there, no fuel enhancement maybe an intercooler, non-ball bearing turbo etc.

 

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[QUOTE]Posted by IceY2K1
Quality FIRST, price SECOND, upgradeable THIRD.

Yeah, I know what you're saying, however we need to keep things simple, ie using stock manifolds with crossover pipe, Vortech FMU or similar and stock injectors for fuel enrichment for a "Stage 1" kit up to 5-6psi.

Something like this:

Stage I(<5psi):
non-BB T3/T04E
Crossover/compressor discharge/down tube piping
T-clamps/silicone hose connectors
Cheap generic whoever BOV, WG
Vortech FMU
Oil feed/return

Stage II(<10psi):
Stage I stuff plus:
Basic IC w/piping
Tial WG w/dump pipe
HKS BOV w/recirc pipe
Vortech S-FMU
Hallman MBC
Walbro 255lph HP

Stage III(<15psi):
Stage I/II stuff plus:
Turbonetics SINGLE BB T4/T04S or FULL BB GT30R(option)
Spearco IC
Split Second or eManage
440cc RC/Bosch injectors
3" exhaust

Stage IV(15+psi):
Stage I/II/III stuff plus:
SS manifolds
Tubonetcis SINGLE BB T4/60-1 or FULL BB GT35R(option)
Biggest Spearco possible
550cc or bigger RC/Bosch injectors

I'll stop there, but there's lots more crap you could offer for more money like J&S Safeguard, Aquamist, EBC, AFC, eManage, EGT/FP/Boost gauges, oil cooler, Jet Hot/Swain Tech coating, engine internals, etc., however I'd leave all that up to eWhore shopping because you really can't really compete price wise. I'd personally rather piece all that together, however some buyers would probably want some kind of bare-bones basic included gauge package like EGT, FP, boost.

One more "stage" might be called a "Tuner Kit", which includes:

Tuner Kit:
Crossover/compressor discharge/down tube piping
T-clamps/silicone hose connectors
Flange type of choice, ie T3/T4, T4, GT, etc.
Oil feed/return(optional)
3" exhaust
SS manifolds
Biggest Spearco possible w/piping

That way I can buy/tweak my own turbo, add my fuel system, EBC, WG and BOV of choice, yet have all YOUR top quality basic necessities I can't buy/make myself. I understand most companies don't offer this option, since there are fewer components to include at "extra markup", but I'd rather pay you what markup YOUR components are worth and supply the rest myself. You guys make top-notch tubing/welds/mounting, so that's really ALL I'm interested in buying.
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IceY2K1

 

Basic kit would have to have an intercooler. Come on!

 

why

theres little need for it at only 5psi and considering it will jack the price up another $700+ alot of people wont want one

 

Also, a basic kit could get even cheaper if they used an internal wastegate turbo, however I don't recommend that because it limits #3, upgradeable. For those that never intend to upgrade that's a cheap easy route.

 

Price estimate.

Any comment on the rest of the stages? Tuner kit possible?

 

So why not have 2 stage 1 kits, Normal stage 1 and Upgrade stage 1 kit?

 

That would be pretty simple.

The only difference between the two would be the turbo type(internal or external WG), the addition of an external WG on the upgradeable Stage I, and the down tube.

So,
Stage Ia:
T3/T4 w/internal WG
5-bolt flange
Unique down tube

OR

Stage Ib:
WG
T3/T4 w/o WG
Same turbine feed pipe as Stages II+.
Same flange/down tube as Stages II+.

 

We are kind of against going with a T3/T4 on a 3L 6-Cylinder. But it seems it works and yes it's alot cheaper then a Full-T4. And alot more upgradable, we can put a GT3037 or 3240 as the top notch turbo and be pushing out 500-550WHP, with great spool characteristics. Here I'll render some of the packages,

Stage 0 or T for Tuner)
- Crossover Pipe
- Downpipe
- Intercooler Pipe w/ Welded BOV
Stage 1A)
- T3/T4 Hybrid Internal Wastagate
- Vortech FMU
- Crossover Pipe
- Intake Filter
- Intercooler Pipe
- 3'' Downpipe
- Cheapie BOV
Stage 1B)
- T3/T4 Hybrid (Larger)
- External 38-46mm Wastegate
- Crossover Pipe
- FMU
- Intake Filter
- Intercooler Pipe
- HKS SSQV BOV
Stage 2)
- Same as Above
- Spearco Intercooler
- Larger Fuel Injectors
- Piggy Back Fuel Management
Stage 3)
- GT 3240 Series Turbine (Dual Ball Bearing)
- Larger Injectors
- 3.5'' Downpipe
- Piggy back Fuel management
- High Flowing Equal Length Tubular SS Manifolds

 

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Posted by SSR Engineering

We are kind of against going with a T3/T4 on a 3L 6-Cylinder. But it seems it works and yes it's alot cheaper then a Full-T4. And alot more upgradable, we can put a GT3037 or 3240 as the top notch turbo and be pushing out 500-550WHP, with great spool characteristics. Here I'll render some of the packages,

Stage 0 or T for Tuner)
- Crossover Pipe
- Downpipe
- Intercooler Pipe w/ Welded BOV
Stage 1A)
- T3/T4 Hybrid Internal Wastagate
- Vortech FMU
- Crossover Pipe
- Intake Filter
- Intercooler Pipe
- 3'' Downpipe
- Cheapie BOV
Stage 1B)
- T3/T4 Hybrid (Larger)
- External 38-46mm Wastegate
- Crossover Pipe
- FMU
- Intake Filter
- Intercooler Pipe
- HKS SSQV BOV
Stage 2)
- Same as Above
- Spearco Intercooler
- Larger Fuel Injectors
- Piggy Back Fuel Management
Stage 3)
- GT 3240 Series Turbine (Dual Ball Bearing)
- Larger Injectors
- 3.5'' Downpipe
- Piggy back Fuel management
- High Flowing Equal Length Tubular SS Manifolds
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If you would make a turbo kit like that I will spend every bit of money I have to get that kit.

 

Well all we need is a 4th gen donor car, just so all of you know. If you refer a donor car to us you will receive an extremely discounted turbo kit when they come to development.

 

If I did not live in FL and did not drive may max every day I would jump on that in a heart bet.But just for the he!! of it how long will you need a donor car?

 

Safely speaking, 8-12 Weeks. Now we generally finish projects in 4-6 weeks but, lately we have had more cars then workers in the shop.

 

I think that's awesome~!

However, why the HKS GT3240? You can get a lot cheaper straight from Garretts' current line-up. I thought $1500 was pushing extreme for a GT30R or GT35R, however $3500+ for a GT3240?!?!?

 

I need 240-255whp, must be automatic friendly. I prefer internal WG/BBturbo, FMU,nice BOV, simple crosover pipe/down pipe and no IC.

 

Well not the HKS GT3240, but similar, like a GT35R 40R or even 30Rs are very cheap, $900-1100.

 

Ok, that can be very possible 240 is a very conservative goal especially non-intercooled.

 

Well I would buy a ssr kit in a heart beat...if its made. Just the quality from their previous kits speaks for itself. Regardless since my engine has higher mileage over 100k I would be wanting a small boost option under 8psi more then likely. 250-300whp is fine with me. However I drive to work approx 50 miles each way so even on a smaller psi kit I would still want an intercooler, even it was a small one.
I agree with others though to offer tuner type kits.

 

I agree, just finished looking at the Altima pictures in more detail and HANDS DOWN most beautiful kit I've seen. VERY very nicely executed and whoever you're paying to do your welding/bending is NOT getting paid enough $$$$.

However, I'd like to add some hopefully constructive ideas/changes on OUR kit, since I know some things are going to have to change:

1)The front bank merging with the rear bank doesn't look very clean/smooth. If possible make it all one piece and lose the flange.

2)WG. Simply overkill with that arm. Plus, don't make it open-atmosphere. Put it at a 90* right before the turbine inlet with a dump into the exhaust down tube right before the flex section. Looks like that could EASILY be done with a much cleaner/simpler outcome then that giant "arm" with TURBO pipe. Plus, it's more environment friendly IF there's a cat. My next point.

3)Leave the main cat in-place, otherwise NOBODY can pass emissions. You can always offer a high flow verison or straight pipe option.

4)Put the #2(rear down-stream) 02-sensors after the main cat to avoid CEL, but leave the 02-bungs on each bank for EGT sensors.

5)Avoid the welded 90* curve on the compressor discharge, so we can play turbo swap games without having to deal with getting that cut off and rewelded.

6)Minor gripe, but use T-clamps instead of worm clamps.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take that kit in a heart-beat the way it is now. It simply blows PFI, CM, etc. kits away. Yeah, it costs damn near double, but *I* see why and that's awesome. I just can't believe we have someone willing to build that quality of a kit for us Maxima owners. Unreal IMO. SSR is my hero. If you can address some of these concerns great, however when I'm ready, nobody elses kit will even be considered.