is an afc a worth while mod/upgrade for the stillen supercharger kit if im planning on running with stock pulley and fmu?

 

nevermind my previous post. i thought i was in the 3rd gen section for some reason.

i have an afc on my third gen and it works pretty well. i'm happy with it myself.

 

It is worth it to fine tune that rich fuel curve. If you get a MEVI its definitely a great mod to have

 

not if your stock everything.


or for that matter anything else other units are better.

 

Please explain GOD of know nothing knowledge.

 

how does that make ANY sense?? if even n/a cars can improve from afr correction, how can you possibly say an FI'd car(stock pulley or not) which is now taking in MORE air than it even was at stock wouldn't...

I agree there are better units and methods available, but as far as simple entry level fuel tuning whats better than the AFC?

this is the reason why people create so much drama over your claims adn statements because you blurt out a broad answer and provide no clear explanations

 

i dont' get you but have a nice day.

 

The stock s/c stillen kit is fine and dont' really need tuneing, so geting it is over kill. And "improvement" is questionable. Really it's fine. Stillen set it up with a decent amount of fuel, the a/f is fine.

I run the afc and dont' like it, it's a questionable piece in my mind...does it work? yeah no doubt, but in my mind from some experience with it, i just don't like it and their are now better pieces out there.

I'm so sorry you don't like my short answer, just ask me to explain further and I will do that...Being a fuc k head does nothing.

 

I just finish tuning my ****. The car is awfully rich in the mid range RPMs. A SCed vehicle will benefit from some AFR tuning. It doesnt hurt the car it improves the car all around. Fuel mileage and power wise. It is a very simple piece of electrical equipment. A rock with directions can use that thing by following the arrows.

 

so you tuned it and it's still rich in the mid rpms? is that what you saying? Cuz that aint' good.

 

Can you be ANYmore vague, ambiguous, far fetched?

"fine" and "don't really need tuning" = what? Safe? Makes efficient HP/TQ? Couldn't gain ANY hp? Couldn't save mpg? Couldn't prolong plug/02 life? Wouldn't benefit no matter what? Couldn't improve throttle response? Isn't worth $$ for benefit?

" 'improvement' is questionable" = what? Negligible hp, tq, mpg, efficiency, throttle response, emissions, improvement? Is there a max 'n out decoder ring or encyclopedia we can buy to translate that into ENGLISH that means something?

"Decent amount of fuel" and "a/f is fine" = what? Safe on the rich side, ie not too lean? Minimal amount of fuel, but could BENEFIT from more? Good for hp NOT tq?

Please define "decent", since I haven't seen nor hear that term used on an AFR chart and also put an acceptable max 'n out "fine" range/number for air/fuel ratio so the rest of us here in REALITY can forget about stochiometric, 10:1, 11:1, etc..

You just said the SAME damn thing over and over withOUT adding anything USEFUL, so why post/bother? Is your purpose here to practice your typing and grammer skills? If so, please SPARE us. You sure aren't here to contribute anything of value, since you're the only person who *CAN* understand what the HELL you're trying to say 99% of the time. Yet, you're ripe and ready to jump in and say how "everyone has theories, but no actual experience" and acts like a know it all...then again *YOU* do the same thing you accuse us of. At least, we're not stupid enough to call others "GOD of all knowledge" posers or act like we know EVERYTHING because we paid someone to install everything for us, yet can't understandably describe WHAT you've done or are trying to "enlighten" us with.

Is that "afc" as in Apexi S-AFC? Or what about a Fields SFC-Hyper? Or what about a Split Second AFC? Or many others. Or are you making a broad generalization about any device that uses "afc" in it's name? What EXACTLY are you referring too that you don't like and what "better pieces out there" are you speaking about?

So, instead of you posting a complete sentence that AT LEAST makes sense, we should just keep asking you OVER and OVER to "explain further"? Do you have some kind of complex/psycological need to repeat yourself a second or third or whatever amount of times before you can complete an idea or understandable statement?

Your "short answer" was worthless, mind boggling dribble, that only *YOU* could possibly understand. Do you actually READ what you type? Or do you just hammer on the keyboard with your forehead and expect complete sentences/thoughts to fall out from between your ears and make it into your post? Should people actually try and comprehend it? Or are you just typing BS jargon for entertainment value when people try and make heads or tails of what the hell you are saying?

Again...PLEASE SPARE US. You couldn't "help" someone screw in a light bulb with both free hands, let alone explain something that requires math, theory, conceptualization, an IQ above 10, or AT A MINIMUM grammer beyond 5th grade.

 

He is saying the kit is rich in the mid rpms w/o the s-afc. He is telling you that you are WRONG about it being fine the way stillen sold it to you or whoever. Maybe you should read a little closer, especially if its someone like Jay who knows what they are talking about.

He didnt become a moderator by ways of magic.

 

Jay knows more then MOST of us put together in this forum.

Pretty sure PEOPLE can see who's FOS and who knows their ****, Jay.

 

define "rich".


And if he went from 9:5 to 1( bore wash area if you know what that is ) and "tuned" it at 12:0 to 1 ( which is still rich ) that ain't good?

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I don't understand WTF your trying to say.

 

Obviously I am going to be rich due to the high jump in FP from the 8:1 FMU disc. The SCer does not hit full boost until the end. Which means from 3-44K RPMs the car is very rich. I tuned the vehicle with the mighty SAFC II. At 5K the fuel curve jumps straight up leaning out. That means I need to lengthen the injector pulse width so I dont run lean up top. It is good to lean my fuel in the midrange RPMs. Thats why the SAFC is a good electronic so you can control fuel a bit better. I dont know who helped you tuned your ride at the dyno last time. Thats how I got 321HP out my non intercooled setup last time. I am more then confident I can at least get 330HP and at least 270lbs of torque out my 95 non intercooled hoopteee.

 

thanks guys

 

lets just say more control is always a good thing. yes a s-afc II will improve performance on a s/c as well as others. people getting hostile in here, i like it!

 

lets just say more control is always a good thing. yes a s-afc II will improve performance on a s/c as well as others. people getting hostile in here, i like it!
Jay, how do you pick which max you will drive for the day, must be tuff.

 

does anyone have a set of numbers that i can start out with for the safc-2?

v2, 3.33, CAI, AWAC, TurboXS Type H BOV, 2.5" mandrel exhaust, Stock cat.

I know that Stephen Max had some a while ago w/ MEVI, but i cant search.

 

Ill dig my numbers up, V2, CAI, SAFC II and MEVI, I ll jot them down and post them up. You may still be a tad rich but will be much better then what you are now


Which car do I drive? easy the SCed to work and on nights/Weekends the black one comes out to highly represent.

 

thanks,

i just wanted something in there to work off of when i go dyno (trying to get to the shop this week)

 

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=288529

 

That is the thread where I did some tuning to get the A32 ecu to work with the Z32 maf. If you use those numbers with oem maf and ecu, you will be very rich.

 

exactly the stock s/c set up runs rich in the low rpms because the fmu
isn't adjustable it just compensates when the s/c hits full boost. i dont
have an adjustable fmu but i use nitrous in between which solves my problem of running rich. i plan on getting that safc II SOON.

 

Oops...you're right.

I just *THOUGHT* about that thread when he mentioned it...didn't read through it again.

 

yeah, i didnt read it again, but i remembered that you posted about safc settings.