Hey Guys I am about 5 seconds away from Suing Nissan. I am sick of this ****. I have been as nice as possible and now I'm done. I have called the local news station to do an investigation to hopefully get something done about this. If I can help everyone who has spent hundreds of dollars on this problem, i's worth it. Everyone who has had problems, any problems post them and I'll print them as evidence.

 

LOL.....this lawsuit stuff sure gets old. Even if you were able to win, good luck ever seeing any money as the court costs and lawyer fees would at best let you break even. Just invest in some new coils from Dave B and redo them yourself.

 

Sue them for what? You're past the 3/36. Things wear out, that's life. Not a great design but you are SOL.

 

Cost of consulting with attorney and initial court costs: AT LEAST $2k

Cost of new ingnition coils $300-$600, at most.

You do the math.

 

give it up man...

 

I think he meant ignition coils, not coilovers.

 

Correction noted...that makes it cheaper!

 

I don't think so! First off I'm not a guy, I have enough signatures and people going into this that it'll all be worth it. Nissan didn't do a recall like they should have. They'll regret it! Why should I replace them myself? They've been done twice before. This crap won't come from my pocket!

 

Recalls are only for safety related items. I understand your frustration, but most of us think you don't have a leg to stand on. The fight should be with your dealer who didn't fix it right the first time. Phone Nissan NA and complain about the dealer, but give the dealer one last chance to correct the problem and let them know you will contact Nissan if things aren't repaired to your satisfaction. Legal action should be the last resort.

 

That's what they all say....signatures this and that, but ironically none of these people have ever won their case, hmmmm.

 

gawd...all this lawsuit crap is just sooooooooooo pointless. Why does everybody think that every tiny little thing on cars need to be RECALLED and if they aren't they should be SUED? Yes, as stated above, recalls are ONLY DONE for SAFETY issues. All of the Honda guys that are trying to sue Honda over their crappy automatics are completely wasting their time too.

I had a coil go bad in my 99. ONE coil. You don't need to replace ALL of them. I ordered a pair from DAVEB for like $50/ea or whatever it was and replaced the ONE coil myself. Never set foot in a dealer, and my OBD-II scanner pulling the codes told me which one to replace.

Nissan unfortunately has very poor customer service, and they will totally try to get you for every penny when you're out of warranty. These cars are not problem free, but are easy to work on. If you don't want to get robbed at the dealership, do it yourself. If you're not the type to do a little light maintenance on cars yourself then make sure you get extended warranties, and/or buy from companies that have rock solid reliable cars and/or better customer service. Toyotas are more reliable, but don't have the best customer service either. Your average Ford is actually more reliable than your average Nissan now, and Ford has much better CS also.

Anyways, I digress. But these are all things you need to consider when buying a car, particularly when it's going to be out of warranty. A little thinking ahead can save you a whole lot of trouble down the road. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

 

Your 2000 has the same crappy "defective" coils as my 99 does. Some people have good luck, and others bad luck. But in all honesty, SUING Nissan is not the solution. And getting signatures from other people on the Internet doesn't mean anything in the court of law. If my 99 starts chucking coils once per month, then Nissan just isn't liable for it no matter how many signatures I have. The car is long out of warranty and the manufacturer is no longer liable. I then have a few choices. Take it to Nissan and get robbed, find a good independent mechanic that can work on Nissans (requires effort and searching), or do it all myself.

My choice, do it all myself. Coils are very easy to replace, even for non mechanically inclined people. Haynes manual: $20. OBD-II scanner to tell me which coil was bad. $200. The Haynes manual told me which one was cylinder #6. New coil $50 from DAVEB here on the org. Basic tools: $20. Total cost: $290

Nissan would charge about the same for one coil, but now I have all the tools I need to replace more of them if needed for only the cost of coils at $50/pop. And it's silly to replace ALL 6 coils if just one is giving a misfire. Nissan will tell you that you need to replace all of them and that once one goes bad the others will. That's a load of crap. I replaced the one coil in mine at 73k miles. I'm at 103k miles now and have not had ANY additional coil issues. So there's no need to dump $600-900 on a full coil set replacement at Nissan just for ONE going bad. It's a cash cow for them.

Do it yourself or find a good independent mechanic is my best advice. Or trade the car for something newer and with a warranty.

 

LOL, I was wondering who would be the first to ask that.

 

ask what?


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Okay go ahead and sue. Then in the end, see what would have been cheaper.........

But then again, 99% of the time people say they will sue, they don't.

 

Well, after checking the thread again, it looks like the post I was responding to has been removed, lol. Someone pulled a fast one.....

 

Sorry Hakimis you will lose, give up and order some coils or trade the car in....

 

My 1987 Yugo with 10K miles just sucks. Should I sue?

That's why I always quote. They can't edit or pull MY post...

 

Hmm.. I've posted something similar in the 6gen forums... Are you going to the same dealer? If so maybe THEY are ripping you off by "fixing" your problem with used or refurbed coils... Try other dealers... I think they give a one year warranty from the date they do work on the car...

 

really??

 

 

Mods exempt...

 

have fun with that....not like it hasn't been tried/discussed before...

 

Ok then you give me a suggestion...I'm 7k upside down, can't afford to fix it and can't afford to keep it! Even if I do the crap my self I own 3 other cars and I run a company. My frontier is also a piece of sh**. I am so mad. The coils are not oil, brakes or anything routine. They should take responsibility for the bad coils. One of the signatures by the way was almost in a wreck due to the coils going out. The car completely stalled with a 8 day old baby in it. If that were to happen to me with my son in the car I would kill someone. Are they waiting for someone to be killed until they recall this problem? It might seem minor to you but for those of us who rely on their cars daily especially with children it's a big deal. My life and now my son's life are in this cars hands and Nissan is responsible for the fu** up.

 

7K Upside down on a 2K!!! Did THEY give you money down or did you go for that 96 month loan?

 

i hear where your comming from, but its a tough case to win.

 

LEMON LAW ANYONE? i dont know about ga but in new jersey, we got one. I dont know about all the particulars of your case, but as a dealer myself i can remeber at least twice in five years i have had to facilitate a lemon law buy back on vehicles that started to have problems under warranty, but continued to have the same problems as the car became older and ran out of warranty. So i am saying even thow the cars where out of coverage the lemon law still applied. If you have no ground to stand on there, you could try a lawsuite, but i have seldom seen a lawsuite won against an automobile builder that did not involve a major accident , or death. I my self have had to do coils on my moms 2000, but i just bit my lip and paid, because i know nissan knows these coils are crap, and they have no intentions in helping us out. Im really sorry you are having such problems wiht your car, and your frontier. $7000 upside down is alot for a 2000 max, where you upside down when you bought the max and rolled the negative equity into the max finance? or was maybe your rate really high?, or did you go with long term, low payment? Pm me if you would like some advice as what to do from a dealers point of view.

 

i'm pretty sure that the lemon law is not going to apply on a FIVE model year old car that's out of warranty.

 

The lemon law does not apply to a second owner. I should have known when I bought it The girl only had it a year and it had 26k miles on it. There had to have been a reason she turned it in. Nissan is bull**** and I had such confidence in them. Now I know the truth. I am still going to do anything I can to get this crap taken care of.

 

You can't afford to fix it at the $tealership. So my suggestion is to fix it yourself.

And the only way you're $7k upside-down on a 2k is probably if you rolled a ton of negative equity into it from another car. Either that or zero down and a very long-term loan. That's a horrible situation to be in, but what you're facing now are the long-term consequences of whatever decisions you made previously to get yourself here today. Do you really need 4 cars?

They do. Within the 5yr/60k powertrain warranty, or an extended one if you paid for it.

I'll put it like this...

You're frustrated and angry, and as a result being irrational (my opinion). You would not be here threatening to sue if you could afford to fix it, either at the dealership or on your own, but you can't because of your financial situation. Your financial situation is your fault, not Nissan's, but you are pointing the finger at Nissan anyways. You could be facing the same exact situation on a Honda Accord with their piece of crap automatic transmissions ($2-3k for a rebuild @ Honda), and the same thing also on a Toyota Camry and their engines which can get sludged up if owners are lax on maintenance. You are "ONLY" dealing with coils on your Maxima which in the grand scheme of things is not a big deal, and is nothing compared to the problems Toyota and Honda people are having now on cars that are getting older.

Most people would not be able to handle swapping in a new engine to replace a sludged up one on a Camry, nor could most handle swapping in a fresh automatic tranny on a Honda. It is ONLY a coil. I personally am waaaay more book smart than hands on, do not wrench on my cars on weekends giving them a gajillion horsepower so that I can beat V8's like a lot of people here do, but even *I* can handle swapping out a duff coil. It's not hard. On mine, #6 on the front went out. Remove "Nissan 3000 V6" cover (allen bolts), remove coil plug, unscrew coil screws, remove coil. Put in new one. Reverse above. Done. Needed an OBD-II scanner to tell me which coil was bad, and the Haynes manual to know which one #6 was. And the Haynes manual also tells you how to remove and replace coils.

If you're still not up for it, ask friends or co-workers if they know a good independent mechanic. And that's the best you'll probably be able to do. And once you get out of the hole that you're in with regards to being $7k upside down on a car and unable to pay for repairs, learn from it and don't let it happen again. A LOT of people out there who have dumped negative equity into new car loans are going to start to get burned like this. So you are NOT alone.

My 0.02 lb-ft

 

Well, as much as I feel your pain. I will have to disagree with you on nissan having to fix the coils. You are out of warranty, and you bought the car USED. You have heard the phrase buyer beware. The best thing to do, save your time and money and go call dave burnette (1888-254-6060). The are around $51 apiece, and are relatively easy to install (one 10mm bolt, and a plug IIRC).

 

A 2000 Maxima is still more reliable overall than a 2000 Accord V6 (huge tranny problems), and 2000 Toyota Camrys (sludge prone engines). (see above post). Again, coils are not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

There are NO foolproof cars that will be 100% reliable these days. They all have problems. Some big, some little. Coils are little. Engines and transmissions are big. In either case, by the time stuff is going to start failing, you need to have repair money worked into your budget somehow to pay for it.