EDIT: E55 has resolved the situation that I refer to, so this thread is here only for posterity now.


NOTE: I am not moderator-bashing here (not calling names, etc), and I don't feel this is a repost of any previous thread. I have much respect for the moderators and am simply debating a decision by one of them...

Look, I'm all for locking stupid repeat threads, but this is going a bit overboard. This was one of the last threads on this subject remaining open, and I had to search a couple months back to find it (and post in it) - or would you rather have had me post a NEW, REPEAT thread??

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=383168

it is the only one that lists the procedure, and it was started way back in February....so I fail to see why it is locked suddenly in June (there was no flaming going on, just normal discussion). As long as you keep on locking the "old" discussion threads on this subject (including another one with over 300 posts in it), you will continue to see new threads on the subject be posted.

Although repeat threads are annoying, I'd rather see repeat threads than a billion locked threads where the discussion is "over". This is a discussion forum after all.

E55 (I'm assuming that's who locked this) - just because you may not personally agree with the merits of the timing advance (and I know that you don't) does not mean you should prevent the rest of us from discussing it.

 

i agree.
ive seen a trend of threads being locked by people that dont agree with the subject being discussed.
I thought threads were locked if they violated the forum rules.

 

Ya, personally considering that this website is a "forum" for people to discuss ideas about the car, who are we to tell them what they can and cannot post in the way of Maxima upgrades. It's this "holier than thou" attitude from certain people that has turned this forum into an elitist only forum.

 

I agree....why the lock? No breaking of the rules that I can see. And the point about locking threads will only increase the frequency of repeat posts and frustration because of having to search much more.

Seems like there are more things we can't do than what we can. What's goin' on here, mods?

 

it seems some folks are overly sensitive about the timing threads. there's been a couple threads with very good information that have been locked or deleted. it doesn't make sense to me. simple resolution would seem be - leave it as a sticky or put it in the How To or FAQ-U...

 

oh....by the way. IBTL

 

Why would someone lock a thread because it contained information about advancing a car's timing? That's one of the more basic performance mods on everything from our cars to small-block Chevy engines. It's totally harmless as long as you are monitoring for detonation closely and using proper octane of gasoline. It doesn't void your warranty as long as it's within FSM specs for ign. timing.

I have a hard time believing that someone would "Disagree" with an ignition timing advance thread enough to lock it, so I'm sure there was another reason.

 

Ask BlackbridVQ (Mike) about your second paragraph.......

did you see anything in the thread that warranted a lock?

by the way, I agree with everything you said in the first paragraph, hence my confusion as to the reason for it being locked.

 

I think the main argument seems to be (against the advance) that it is only effective at WOT but obviously yours and other .org'ers butt dynos and firsthand experiences dispute such a claim. I'm not familiar with all the modern electronic timing but the old distributors used a weight or spring (mechanical advance) or vacuum (vacuum advance) to automagically advance the timing as you increased engine speed -- and it worked across a fairly decent RPM range, not only at WOT -- I don't see any logic in designing a system that only advances timing at WOT since engines spend very little time overall (in normal use) running at WOT.

I don't see anything in the thread that merits a lock but I'm not a mod. If it turns out that it was locked because the mod who did it PERSONALLY has a problem with timing advance mods, then that's truly and a sad day for the .org.

 

ok paralyse, you're gonna get me banned for turning this into a "repost" thread on timing advance

see you guys in a few weeks (or not) when my inevitable ban is doled out

 

i'll get banned with you.
like i said in the "you arent allowed pictures" thread...if i believe that something wrong is being done i'm going to speak out against it. im not afraid of a ban.

on second thought im going to show my disapproval for the current state of org in a diffirent way and i encourage people to do the same

see sig

 

We have ourselves a crusade.
For records sake, I agree.

 

i agree with what everyone says...ever since this new 'no repost' rule has been put into effect, all i see are locked 'reposts' (although some havent been discussed in several months) and the majority of them end with a post by E55 saying some derogatory remark toward the topic if he didn't agree with it in the first place...now i don't mean to get on anyone's case, but it is going a bit too far...just because it has been discussed before doesn't necessarily mean it has all been covered...

 

i noticed everyone in this thread is " "

 

I agree with the points made by most of ya here... I think the locking of blatant re-posts is fine, but the basis for which threads are locked should be based on the nature of the discussion and not so much the topic. If the discussion is purely something that has been addressed time and time again, in the same manner and with the same form of questions, then yes, locking it up is fine. But if the discussion is dynamic and actually beneficial, then I think those threads should be allowed to carry-on for the benefit of all who are interested even if the general topic seems like a re-post. If there turns out to be bickering and flaming, I've seen cases where mods have cleaned out the "inappropriate" posts and allowed the thread to go on. I think this doesn't happen enough in the 5th Gen forums these days.

Additionally, when there are few threads discussing the topic at hand, they should be left open and people should be encouraged to dig em up and re-open the discussion. If we locked everything that has supposedly already been answered, that doesn't leave any room for further discussion of the topic if and when the need arises, and that causes people to re-post.

I could go on forever... and I still think we need to search before we post to keep re-posts to a minimum, but my point here is that locking up useful discussions, by virtue of them being of seemingly repetitive topics, without any regard of the progression and usefulness of the discussion doesn't seem right to me.

 

I will be doing the same as Soonerfan...too many locks and new rules that will get you banned for no reason..... I haven't post for a while because I feel that the Web site is for Maxima owners who wants to talk about their cars..not to be banned or lock because of personal reasons. So I will take a vacation from the .Org even though I love this place........

Luis

 

Looks like irish and soondrfan need to get the sand out of their vaginas! i hope soonerfan gets lost on his way back to the .org

B1tches. All of you.

 

i agree...couple threads i was really into watching develop because it was something i was interested in finding out more about have been locked for apparently no reason...yes there were several posts already about the topic, but those were all locked too, and just as ppl start to filter in with new info, the big hammer comes down and now nobody knows the end result of the mod or the issue except the person that was continuing to update the thread with new info. the rest of us are left in the dark or START A NEW THREAD ON THE SAME TOPIC...just what we are trying to prevent.

i'll take my lashings now master.

 

You can get lost as well Lontar, enough post whoring.

 

This issue of reposts (which put a very bad taste in my mouth regarding the oeg as a newbie) beggs the question:

"Is the ultimate goal of maxima.org to become a searchable database of information, or a growing forum of maxima enthusiasts who share and discuss experiences with the car?"

I understand that the moderators wish to limit the discussion to save server space, but it also defeats the purpose of the site, and is a misunderstanding of the natural occurances which will ALWAYS happen on a forum such as this. As long as this forum exists, there will always be new people with old questions (relative to those reading the thread). It annoys people who see the same thing over again, but its just the nature of this place, its always going to happen anyway. If someone wanted the org. just for searches, they would never register to post, let alone donate. I think there should be more courtasy given to new members and less sarcasm.

 

Great another country heard from. I think people are lazy and should look through a few pages of threads first, plus there is an alternate search method using google/yahoo. I'm glad the 5th gen forum has nto turned into the 4th gen forum. Stop complaing/whoring and get the sand out of your ******.

 

I definately second that one though....

 

I too was sick of the "check out my pics" threads, but am lost on locking this one, with new and useful info. If this thread is to be locked, does that mean the excellent instructions at the beginning have landed in a sticky?

 

Since February 26, 2005 they have been in the stickies. People really need to read through those.

 

this thread is

 

This is exactly the kind of comments we DON'T need

 

As for those wishing to boycott, more power to you.

For those thinking this is new information, there are members I know of (myself included) that had done this four and the half years ago. Its not new information by any means. Also, for those touting the "miracle" of timing advances, I challenge you to show me the gains made on a STOCK maxima. What some people fail to understand is that while the timing may be within spec...its not the optimum point for a stock intake/exhaust setup. To match the earlier ignition, you will need to get whatever has been combusted out of the combustion chamber as quickly as possible (not possible with stock intake and exhaust). Now, when the combustion point is not ideal, the engine management will pull back the timing to an ideal point. Basically past 2500rpm or so the timing curve has reset itself to stock and all the gains you feel are simply placebo. Now, as blackbirdvq has noted, he has seen some gains. However, it should be noted that he has every bolt on performance mod (including HS headers) on his 3.0. I have tried the mod on my 3.5 before and after my performance mods and found the HP gains to be in the .1-.5 range when stock and 2-5 with full bolt ons (headers, B, CAI, 2.5" rear section into a magnaflow 14807). This information is for a 2 degree advance, and I have done it both on my 2001SE (VIAS was operational) and my 2003SE. All of the Numbers were SAE corrected

 

i agree with everyone here... i havent been here very long but have already seen this place take a turn for the worse... i remember seeing a thread that was locked because it was a repost of a thread that was on here three years ago now im willing to bet that more than 90% of the people on here didnt even know this site existed three years ago let alone were members. heres the thread i am talking about
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=403842

 

That wasnt the only repeat thread about nissan customer service in the last three years. As for your "turn for the worse", thats totally subjective. I get complaints from older members about all the newbs posting 15 repeat threads a day. There is no way to please everyone; If i let all those slide..I would have a PM Box full of complaints from older members (they dont post threads, they take it to PM).

 

Not just older members I am not one of those, but the smarter members will keep complaining about the BS that was going around in this forum.

PS- just because you post in every thread does not make you a "contributer"

 

E55, this is exactly the kind of discussion that can be...um...discussed if threads are not prematurely locked. I applaud you for presenting your point on the subject and not just locking it. I disagree with some of your take on the matter (and will not argue it here), but this thread was not started to discuss timing, it was started to discuss why all the threads were locked. I personally wish you would unlock this thread, which was very long and had alot of discussion:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....advance+timing

1. I never said it was new information, but I did a search under "timing advance" and found that the 10 best threads on the subject had been locked (some of them several years old that had been revived recently). Maybe you didn't lock them, maybe you did.

2. The FAQ's and How-to's really need to be cleaned up...dead links everywhere. For every live link you find you have do wallow through links that don't work.

3. Just for the record, I did search the subject, and most of the useful threads on it were locked...

So...somebody bump a good thread on timing advance to the front, and we'll all be happy to use it and continue discussion on the subject.

......and you're a perfect example of this, since none of your three posts in THIS thread contributed anything useful at all.....just flaming

 

btw, I'm not suggesting boycott or anything. I enjoy discussion on the org, so I myself wouldn't (couldn't) boycott (it's like an addiction!). Max-world forums suck, don't want to hang out there!

I'd prefer not to get banned, but sometimes ya just have to speak up, and thanks to the mod(s) for being cool and not banning me for a little criticism

 

I have always respected you irish because you are a REAL contributor. My last post was in reference to some E-thugging that was sent my way via IM.

 

I wont ban for criticism, I can take it just as bad as I can dish it out.

As for your previous post, I wasnt referring to you. It was someone else who posted after you.

To everyone else: Here is my deal, Ill reopen the advance thread...but only so long as there is intelligent discussion (Preferrably backed up by factual data, no butt dynos or Gtech pros. Im talking dynographs here). This goes for all other "technical" threads as well in the 5th gen forum.

 

but let's define intelligent discussion as no name calling, insults, belittling, etc... mod or not.

 

just curious, but who was name calling?

 

I don't mean to hate on anyone, but boycotting won't do anything on the org. The only way I see a boycott working was if the mods boycotted and the admins had to do something about it.

There is no reason to be d!cks to the people that boycott either. Might sound but too fcking bad

 

Seafoam's comments:

"Looks like irish and soondrfan need to get the sand out of their vaginas! i hope soonerfan gets lost on his way back to the .org

B1tches. All of you."

 

gotcha...wasn't sure about your post:

And I will admit to being an a@@hole sometimes, but never a b1tch

 

Thanks for re-opening it. I have edited the beginning of this thread to reflect your choice, oh wise and fair moderator

I would note though that some of the things that people talk about with regard to timing advance cannot be measured on a dyno, any more than the effect of poly motor mounts can be mearsured (throttle response, etc.). I haven't claimed a gain in horsepower, per se, but I chirped the tires going into third today (which I have NEVER done in this car before) and spend so much time in my car that I can feel some kind of difference.

That, and I would rather spend my money on mods or my house, rather than paying to have my car dyno'd (I really don't care about the actual dyno numbers, personally)

the only "technical" measurement that I will post is about gas mileage gains (or lack thereof), once I have gone thorugh enough tanks to have a consistent view of the change/no change.

werd.