has anyone found a good location 2 add tweeters or 3" midbasses high up (near the roof) in the rear of the car to enhance the sound? If so let me know, I'd really like to do this. hopefully i can buy a small set of bose speakers so i can get the same volume outta them since they operate at 2 ohms normally.

 

There is no good spot. Mounting anything other than a simple 6.5" coax in the OEM speaker position will absolutley KILL your soundstage. How about getting rid of the Blose system altogether and getting some REAL equipment?

 

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You can have a custom fiberglass deck built for some 6x9's... Where are you trying to push the sound? If you are looking to get more mid-bass for the front of the car id say a couple of custom pods down by your feet would prove to be much better. Like Metal Max said, get rid of the Bose... the name does not carry it's own weight within the maxima.

 

And what will that do? Why would you need a fiberglass deck? You would simply need to cut a hole in the deckplate, and even that is difficuly due to the position of the lever rods near the bottom. Not to mention music should NEVER be reprodcued through a footall-shaped cone.

This would NOT produce more midbass. The only reason mids are placed in the kicks is to improve the imaging of a system, not the mid-bass response. A wellsealed mid in the door will pwn a mid in the kick any day of the week for midbass response.

 

well sealed meaning well dynamatted door and speaker surroundings, or a completely sealed speaker, like a sealed subwoofer enclosure?

 

Sealed.

 

Well... id say with regards to the custom rear deck, you answered your own question. Obviously cutting into that rear deck "may" weaken the structural integrity of the vehicle. Then again if that would not be the case, you would find yourself having a great time trying to cut holes and positioning speakers on that same rear deck. correct?

Simple solution, best looks... why not come up with a nice setup with fiberglass, that of course being if he needs speakers on the rear deck at all.

Guess here is a matter of opinion, when it comes to sound reproduction there are many ways to do it and many different speakers that produce different under different circumstances. Remember some speakers simply rely on good placement and and a solid front plate... this is especially true with mid-bass speakers.

You are correct on the imaging idea... that is exactly why they may be helpful with what he is looking for. Mid-bass is not exactly like sub bass and direction plays a good part in the sound that will be heard by the human ear(thus compensating for the lack of response you may hear in the door). If a door is sealed and dynamated correctly, it will sound good but still may not give you the speakers potential. The pods are not all imaging, it is just a major reason for using them(direction of the speaker is also big player). I think this is more then was needed, but we can continue audio 101 in PM's to clarify things as to not confuse this threads intent.

 

That is a well dynamted door, to get better response from the woofer id throw a couple baffles in the doors. That would give you a more tightly sealed enclosure as the door has plenty of little air leaks and provides a little much air space for a tight mid-bass repsonse.

 

I have no idea what you are even attempting to get at.

Dude, your obsession with fiberglass is nothing short of ridiculous. SPEAKERS ON REAR DECK = BAD IMAGING.

A $1000 speaker will fawk your imaging as bad as a $50 speaker is placed in a poor position/mounting. Seakers are deisgned from run under IB conditions, so I'd love to hear you further expound upon this throry.

...so which one's DON'T then?

...so what other reason would there be for using them, then?

 

Last but not least, I DID NOT USE DYNAMAT!!!!!!!

All of my deadening products are from Second Skin, which beat the tar out of even Dynamat Extreme.

http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com

 

First off, read into what i said a little better, second... the site you provided was an awesome source for sound deadening information. For one final shocker im going to toss you another debate... The Second Skin products look good but look to be more superior in price over the extreme then anything else.

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Hey Dan,

Think we are a little off topic now?

-tim

 

Dynamat = 10 square inches per dollar

Second Skin Damplifier = 68 square inches per dollar

40sqft. Dynamat = $575
40sqf. Damplifier = $85

Another thing to consider is that Damplifier is purchased DIRECTLY from the manufacturer...so there is no middle man to buffer the price up.

 

why not add 6.5 components in ther rear, but mount the tweeter in the b pillar facing rear, basicly the front and rear occupants would have the highs up at ear(ish) level and the mid-lows down low like the stock system. 6-9s on the rear deck would be alright but the imaging quality of sound bouncing off the rear glass isnt as good as in the doors usually, since ive never heard rear deck speakers in a 5th gen i could be wrong. but i would think adding speakers there would just add to the well known rear deck rattle

 

Here's the math. Dynamat is sold for $20 in two 10in x 10in squares.

10in x 10in x 2 = 200square inches/pack for $20.

200 square inches/pack = 1.39sqft./pack

40sqft./1.39sqft/pack. = 29packs of Dynamat

29 packs x $20/pack = $580

Wow.

 

Who's listening to the music? You or the passengers?

It boils down to this: When you're at a concert, the music comes TOWARDS you. You wouldn't listen to a concert with your back turned from the stage, so why would you try and do that in a car by adding too much rearfill?

 

ya the price is something that would pull me towards damplifier. I am guessing that my future will be with them!

 

Dan,

Don't forget the outside audience... Some people like it when the sound travels far enough to entertain the next block over.

 

You will NOT be dissapointed. You might want to check these two threads out...

My deadening worklog

Audio Forums' Deadening Sticky

 

trust Metal Max..i've shopped all over for deadening supplies and he got the goods. i've went to circiut city, best buy, custom audio shops and even canal St. in downtown manhattan where's the cheapest , but doesn't take the cake like damplifier. whoever is trying to argue,please take the "L" (LOST)and sit down.

 

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