I recently road killed a 90 Mustang with Cobra headers, and intake. And a 3.73 or something like that gear set. It had fat tires on the back and skinny ones in the front. We started at a light, nothing but open road in front of us and a hill to climb. I actually bogged a bit of the line, but stayed in it and chirped from 1st to second and kept a 2 car lenght gap on him all the way to 90. I shut down and laughed(inside.... hahahaha!). The other guy was surprised and so was I. I saw his mods first hand and he saw mine. It felt really good to beat the Mustang. Plus I knew that the Max would also out corner him. With my new suspension I'm sure the Max would also out handle the Mustang. Keep you guys posted with any new kills.

Disclaimer: I'm not sure what results you may have racing this or other similar cars. My opponent was up to race and we let the light decide when to go. I didn't sneak up on him and I didn't powershift. All shifts are lift throttle. No miss shifts occurred and I know for a fact that if I had a better launch the Mustang would've been toast, the gap by 90 would've been about 2.5-3 car lenghts.

 

Cobra headers, huh?!

 

How is this exhaust quiet? I was thinking of getting it.

 

what I can see. I saw the Cobra intake, and the exhaust manifold looked new/modified. I can only go by what I see and what he tells me. Oh and I forgot to tell you he has a positive traction rear end also. So he should get off the line really well.

DaBlaxima: The WS is very quiet. The one part on my car that makes the most noise is the intake. But the exhaust is simply sweet. Its looks and performance are perfectly suited to the Max. First the sound is nice, deeper than stock but nice. Never too loud, I still haven't set of a chirp from a car alarm. Performance wise it should net another 5 hp or so. Not much but it should be a bit of an improvement. The Apex'i WS is a cat-back and replaces the stock B-pipe. And as far as looks, well it fits in the stock bumper cutout like it was there from the factory. Nice sized tip, and really next Apex-i engravings on either side of the tip. And if noise is an issue for you the tip comes with a drilled and tapped hole for a silencer. At the time of the release of the WS series for the Max the silencer was not completed. I'm not sure if it has been completed yet but its quiet enough for me that I may not want it at all. But of course I still wanna get a y-pipe and hi-flow cat, so it may come in handy after all. I get many compliments on the WS.

 

Even if you get a y-pipe, you won't need a silener. I have a WSP y-pipe along with the Apexi WS exhaust. It's not loud and annoying at all. You can still hear a soft deep tone to it. I recently got my y-pipe wrapped to get rid of the bees in the can, so now, the whole system sounds even better. I don't know why they bother making a silencer fot the WS. It's quiet enough already. I know a guy who has the WS on his 97 Accord and he said that he could hardly hear the exhast. A bit too quiet in his word. All he have is that exhaust, no intake or pipe of any kind. I think a Maxima without a y-pipe that has a WS exhaust would sound similiar.

 

All 5 liter Mustangs have the same headers. Even the 93' Cobra has the same. They have stainless 1.5" unequal length shorty headers stock.

All 5.0s also have traction-loc differentials also. It's a simple clutch locker. Positive Traction is actually an old GM term.

I'm guessing this guy was another one of those kids who get their hands on a Stang and think "Loud is Fast". But if you took him, good kill. Maybe that will motivate him to do it right...

 

Actually Wheelspin, its my friends car Its a 90 Gt, he has cobra upper and lower intake, B 303 cam,GT40 Heads Possy rear, 373 gears, short shifter, long tube headers, recently purchased a NOS kit which is gonna go in soon.From what he told me he wasnt really pushing his car, then again i was in the car with 2nd Max when this all went down.....I guess im gonna have to make them race again and video tapeit if both of them are willing to. Take care.

 

Just so everyone knows, I dont think the Max is a sports car. Its great to know that it can keep with some sports cars and even beat a few. But they've been many nights where I've lost and I've won. I would race a Corvette Z06 I know I'd get smoked but it would be fun. So in the case with this 90 Mustang, if he's back with more stuff or really ready to push it (he said he wasn't really pushing it???) then we could go again. Maybe he maybe my motivation to do my Maxima better. Hmmmmmm can you say y-pipe? I plan on keep ing my car normally aspirated, for now anyway.

Hey Max420, got a video camera??? My Sony Digi-cam only takes still pics. I say we get out on 83 and give it a run. A pair of 2 mile straights oughta say a lot.

 

Depending on what type of GT-40 heads he is running he would be luck to be putting 300 N/A rwhp to the ground if that is all he has. Depending on how good he can drive and how good the car was tuned and put together, I would guess it's a low 13 to high 12 second car.

I won't speculate with the N20 because you did not specify his suspension set-up and shot. I have seen stock 5.0l short blocks take a 300hp shot to go 10.40's in the 1/4...

 

Simply put, you beat the driver. I know the Max is a quick 4-door, but it's not gonna hold a candle against a 5.0 with good cam, long tubes, 3.73s, Cobra intake, and such. With traction, that setup is good for high 12s. I know how quick these cars can be. I used to drive my buddies 90 LX 5.0 notchback (3.73s, timing, airbox) at the track and click off low 14s on street tires.

Race again and tell your buddy to stop shifting at 4500rpms. Tell him to take it to 6000rpms in each gear and see what happens.


Dave

 

I always knew those 5.0 Mustangs had juice. But its no big deal. Like I said before I like to run even if its in the name of fun. (whoa that rhymed???) But its nice to know I can keep up. And hopefully after my y-pipe I'll really start keeping up. Y-pipe, then a hi-flow cat and I'll be done with my mods for now.

Then there's always that pesky gas that has all the Maxima drivers grinning. I may start to research a small 50-75 shot. You must crawl before you walk.

Just so everyone know's the Mustang is awaiting repairs, melted clutch cable, when its ready we'll go again. No biggie, win or lose I'll post. But if I win and he gave it his all then what???

 

Then he wont be able to deny the fact that u beat him, you have a huge advantage because of the fact that he's running 373 gears, there's a big disadvantage on his part, beside i know a max could take a stang, i took him with my 93 Gxe when we both were stock.....and no only his stang, i've taken many in long island.....LOL people dont realize the potential of these cars...time to kick some domestic ***!!

 

If he can drive, he should make you guys both look pretty foolish.

I've done my share of beating 4.6 and 5.0s at my track, but I've also been smoked by mildly modded ones too. It all depends on the driver. In stock form, a 5 speed 5.0 should be in upper 14s. With the mods you listed off, he should be in the 12s.

Why are 3.73s in a Stang a disadvantage? And how does a 16 second GXE reguarly smoke 5.0s in the NY area?


Dave

 

its a disadvantage because the top is close to 100 and theres basically no first gear. quoted straight from a mustang owner and from a former owener (me) =)

 

Something is not right with his car if he thinks his 1st gear is too short. 3.73s with the mods you listed should have extended his useable power to nearly 5800rpms. I use to drive a 3.73 geared 5.0 notchback that had no breathing mods. 1st gear was short because the engine only made power to about 4900-5000. I remember shifting out of 1st at around 30mph at full throttle. Your buddy should be able to hold onto 1st till about 38mph which is where us 5 speed Max guys shift the 1-2. The shear torque multiplication of the T5 (Mustang tranny), 3.73s, and lots of torque should easily allow him to holeshot you guys by a good 2-3 cars within the 1st 100'. If he isn't doing this, than he isn't a good driver and he's spinning way too much. There's no such thing as bog with the combo your buddy has on his Stang. A Maxima with NA mods CANNOT out launch a well driven 5.0 (with the mods you listed). The Max doesn't have the torque nor are the right tires being driven (ie rwd with a liveaxle is great for drag racing).

I don't doubt the kills at all, your buddy just doesn't know how to drive or what he's got or possibly he's just playing with you.


Dave

 

well dave, gotta hand it to ya, u were right , he doesnt have the GT40 heads and the B cam installed, as far as the driver abilities goes.....i think he;s a good driver.....but wouldnt know unless and expert drove it....ah....i dunno what to say...=)

 

Just wanted to say nice ride and nice kill. I'm glad that it has been acknowledged that the Max is not a sports car. On the other hand (like I have mentioned on other threads) the Max is such a great performer for the money. I "used" the love surprising people in my old Max. I miss my old Max but still get to drive it whenever I want since my cousin bought it.

 

What's funny is that A LOT of Mustang guys drive Maximas as their second car. That means something. A stock 4th/5th gen 5 speed vs a STOCK 5.0 is a very close race.


Dave