Significant (severe?) toe out after KSport coilover install?
Significant (severe?) toe out after KSport coilover install?
Just installed my Ksports in the front. Previous suspension was Tein S-Tech and Tokico Blues.
Immediately after dropping the car off the jack stands it jumped out at me that the car has increased toe out. Now mind you, I've never really looked SPECIFICALLY at how much toe the car had, but it's never jumped out at me before. I pay lots of attention to the way the car sits such as staring, admiring, whatever - the wheels, drop, etc as I walk towards the car to get in it in parking lots/driveways, etc. So I do a good bit of "looking" at way it sits - and this situation immediately jumped out at me.
I compared it to my beater 95 max, and it is definately more pronounced I'd say, though without an alignment rack in my driveway, it's hard to give numerical value. Most people probably wouldn't notice it, though a "car guy" would probably if I pointed it out to him. I'd say that with the steering wheel straight ahead, each front wheel is angled a couple degrees outside of straight ahead (driver's wheel is angled left, passenger wheel angled right).
Thoughts on this? Also, if the toe HAS somehow been significantly increased outwards, what ramifications would this have for me as far as wear and tear. Obviously tires would wear faster, what about other components? Wheel bearings, ball joints, etc. I already have a squeaky wheel bearing on the passenger side and a clunky ball joint on the driver's side. Opinions on what's going on here are appreciated.
Immediately after dropping the car off the jack stands it jumped out at me that the car has increased toe out. Now mind you, I've never really looked SPECIFICALLY at how much toe the car had, but it's never jumped out at me before. I pay lots of attention to the way the car sits such as staring, admiring, whatever - the wheels, drop, etc as I walk towards the car to get in it in parking lots/driveways, etc. So I do a good bit of "looking" at way it sits - and this situation immediately jumped out at me.
I compared it to my beater 95 max, and it is definately more pronounced I'd say, though without an alignment rack in my driveway, it's hard to give numerical value. Most people probably wouldn't notice it, though a "car guy" would probably if I pointed it out to him. I'd say that with the steering wheel straight ahead, each front wheel is angled a couple degrees outside of straight ahead (driver's wheel is angled left, passenger wheel angled right).
Thoughts on this? Also, if the toe HAS somehow been significantly increased outwards, what ramifications would this have for me as far as wear and tear. Obviously tires would wear faster, what about other components? Wheel bearings, ball joints, etc. I already have a squeaky wheel bearing on the passenger side and a clunky ball joint on the driver's side. Opinions on what's going on here are appreciated.
It's normal, alignment does get messed up after you work on your suspension, especially if you change your ride height. Take the car to an alignment shop and they will set it back to the way it's supposed to be.
BTW, it might be a good idea to change the ball joint that you are talking about. It's just not safe to drive like that.
BTW, it might be a good idea to change the ball joint that you are talking about. It's just not safe to drive like that.
Originally Posted by Nealoc187
Just installed my Ksports in the front. Previous suspension was Tein S-Tech and Tokico Blues.
Immediately after dropping the car off the jack stands it jumped out at me that the car has increased toe out. Now mind you, I've never really looked SPECIFICALLY at how much toe the car had, but it's never jumped out at me before. I pay lots of attention to the way the car sits such as staring, admiring, whatever - the wheels, drop, etc as I walk towards the car to get in it in parking lots/driveways, etc. So I do a good bit of "looking" at way it sits - and this situation immediately jumped out at me.
I compared it to my beater 95 max, and it is definately more pronounced I'd say, though without an alignment rack in my driveway, it's hard to give numerical value. Most people probably wouldn't notice it, though a "car guy" would probably if I pointed it out to him. I'd say that with the steering wheel straight ahead, each front wheel is angled a couple degrees outside of straight ahead (driver's wheel is angled left, passenger wheel angled right).
Thoughts on this? Also, if the toe HAS somehow been significantly increased outwards, what ramifications would this have for me as far as wear and tear. Obviously tires would wear faster, what about other components? Wheel bearings, ball joints, etc. I already have a squeaky wheel bearing on the passenger side and a clunky ball joint on the driver's side. Opinions on what's going on here are appreciated.
Immediately after dropping the car off the jack stands it jumped out at me that the car has increased toe out. Now mind you, I've never really looked SPECIFICALLY at how much toe the car had, but it's never jumped out at me before. I pay lots of attention to the way the car sits such as staring, admiring, whatever - the wheels, drop, etc as I walk towards the car to get in it in parking lots/driveways, etc. So I do a good bit of "looking" at way it sits - and this situation immediately jumped out at me.
I compared it to my beater 95 max, and it is definately more pronounced I'd say, though without an alignment rack in my driveway, it's hard to give numerical value. Most people probably wouldn't notice it, though a "car guy" would probably if I pointed it out to him. I'd say that with the steering wheel straight ahead, each front wheel is angled a couple degrees outside of straight ahead (driver's wheel is angled left, passenger wheel angled right).
Thoughts on this? Also, if the toe HAS somehow been significantly increased outwards, what ramifications would this have for me as far as wear and tear. Obviously tires would wear faster, what about other components? Wheel bearings, ball joints, etc. I already have a squeaky wheel bearing on the passenger side and a clunky ball joint on the driver's side. Opinions on what's going on here are appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
Just installed my Ksports in the front. Previous suspension was Tein S-Tech and Tokico Blues.
Immediately after dropping the car off the jack stands it jumped out at me that the car has increased toe out. Now mind you, I've never really looked SPECIFICALLY at how much toe the car had, but it's never jumped out at me before. I pay lots of attention to the way the car sits such as staring, admiring, whatever - the wheels, drop, etc as I walk towards the car to get in it in parking lots/driveways, etc. So I do a good bit of "looking" at way it sits - and this situation immediately jumped out at me.
I compared it to my beater 95 max, and it is definately more pronounced I'd say, though without an alignment rack in my driveway, it's hard to give numerical value. Most people probably wouldn't notice it, though a "car guy" would probably if I pointed it out to him. I'd say that with the steering wheel straight ahead, each front wheel is angled a couple degrees outside of straight ahead (driver's wheel is angled left, passenger wheel angled right).
Thoughts on this? Also, if the toe HAS somehow been significantly increased outwards, what ramifications would this have for me as far as wear and tear. Obviously tires would wear faster, what about other components? Wheel bearings, ball joints, etc. I already have a squeaky wheel bearing on the passenger side and a clunky ball joint on the driver's side. Opinions on what's going on here are appreciated.
Immediately after dropping the car off the jack stands it jumped out at me that the car has increased toe out. Now mind you, I've never really looked SPECIFICALLY at how much toe the car had, but it's never jumped out at me before. I pay lots of attention to the way the car sits such as staring, admiring, whatever - the wheels, drop, etc as I walk towards the car to get in it in parking lots/driveways, etc. So I do a good bit of "looking" at way it sits - and this situation immediately jumped out at me.
I compared it to my beater 95 max, and it is definately more pronounced I'd say, though without an alignment rack in my driveway, it's hard to give numerical value. Most people probably wouldn't notice it, though a "car guy" would probably if I pointed it out to him. I'd say that with the steering wheel straight ahead, each front wheel is angled a couple degrees outside of straight ahead (driver's wheel is angled left, passenger wheel angled right).
Thoughts on this? Also, if the toe HAS somehow been significantly increased outwards, what ramifications would this have for me as far as wear and tear. Obviously tires would wear faster, what about other components? Wheel bearings, ball joints, etc. I already have a squeaky wheel bearing on the passenger side and a clunky ball joint on the driver's side. Opinions on what's going on here are appreciated.
The camber plates are set to as positive as they can be, and the car is only about half an inch lower than it was with the old suspension combo. The camber doesn't look any different to me, and that is something I do pay specific attention to.
I'm going to get it aligned tomorrow as long as they can assure me they won't f up my wheels.
I'm going to get it aligned tomorrow as long as they can assure me they won't f up my wheels.
It should be fine after the alignment. This exact scenario happened when I switched back to spring/strut. I kept looking at in and I couldn't remember the original toe position but I knew it looked off.
toe out will wear your tires more...it shouldn't necessarily wear the other components you mentioned though...
toe out will better turn in, steering response, and will induce less understeer especially during turn-in...
toe out will better turn in, steering response, and will induce less understeer especially during turn-in...
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