This isn't meant to flame or to become a thread about personal attacks...Let's keep it that way.

Why is it, that whenever a Maxima kill is made by a car that, stock, is slower or equal to a Maxima, regarded as BS or fabricated?

The whole CL-S/TL-S vs Maxima discussion. The Maxima side tends to say the 5spd is on par with the CL-S/TL-S. I tend to agree from past experiences...but, it's largely who can drive their car better. The honda guys tend to think they can beat a Maxima 5spd regardless.

GTP vs Maxima discussion. Same thing. Driver's game.

Maxima vs ANY 4cly Honda (excluded s2000/rsx/itr). Let's look at some of the numbers.
A B18C5 equipped EG Civic HB Si/EF Civic HB (EF being faster due to lighter weight) is going to run mid-14s or faster.
A B16A SiR2 equipped EG Civic HB Si is going to run high 14s or faster.
B16A equipped EF CRX Si, high 14s.

a 170hp 2200lb car is going to be faster than a 222hp 3200lb car. 12.94 / 14.41
a 160hp 2100lb car is ALSO going to be faster than a 222hp 3200lb car.

Why do people think a car with 50hp less to the crank is incapable of beating a car with 1000lbs more weight to pull?

just curious... the numbers, statistics, and information is available. Why would it seem far-fetched?

 

I would think that the torque of a car has a lot to do with which car is going to win. 160-170 hp sounds nice....but if it only has 110 FLBS. or torque.....furgetabodit!!!!

I know there are a lot of hondas / acuras that can whoop my azz....but I have not found one yet. I consider myself lucky....but in the midwest I only have grand am's and grand prixs to run....If you ever come to KC you will be amazed on how many rednecks own those POS cars.....and they think they are fast!!!

 

Who cares? It is the internet and means jack unless I see it with my own eyes! I beat a 911TT, C5 Hardtop, etc. etc.. etc.. Do you believe it? Do I believe 90% of the "stories" on here? Unless I see it in real life or at least a good quality video it all means shyt. Your CRX is real fast and would beat a 5th gen 5spd Maxima no problem. I wish I had your car! I especially like the Yellow on a CRX very classy and refined indeed! Your obviously posting on here to flame or be a general idiot so take that crap to the si forums. Peace!

 

Can you translate those engine codes? I don't know much about Honduhs. Usually I see Civics running 16's-17's at the drag strip. Must be the slow one's I'm seeing.

 

but you must remember: the Maxima is the world's best car.

 

I've heard of the B18C5 and B18C1, and a B16, which r engine codes, like our VQ30DE. The B18C5 I believe is from the type R. Ok, I'll admit it, I got pummeled by a guy running NOS, , w/ 2.5" str8 pipe, header, CAI, all equipped on his swapped out H22 in his 96Civiv DX, which is the code for the Prelude engine, a 2.2L w/ 195-200hp. I also know of a guy w/ a CRX running the 1.6 that's found in the SI and he's running mid 14's. All he has is a header and CAI. If we were to gut out our luxury, put the biggest engine we could fit(VQ35DE?) and run on drag slicks, maybe we'd be running pretty fast too. yeah, the Maxi is heavy, but we have the torque to push it outta the hole, I read once a while back a guy w/ a 4th gen puttin out 175 ft/lbs @ 1700 rpm, can any CRX do that? prolly not even at it's peak torque could it put out that #. But will the VQ 6.5k? No, a little maybe, but the aforementioned CRX will start pulling hard from 5.5k all the way to nearly 8 grand. They both have they're advantages, I like my VQ though. t has desent low(1-2.5K), gr8 mid(3-5k), and alright hi(5-6k) end. Honda guys are prolly saying we jus get started @6k.

 

I hope you don't post roadkills either...because if I don't see it, it means jack. What if I witnessed a roadkill and posted it on the net...did it not happen? It did not, because YOU are the ultimate judge of what is real...correct?

I guess the Maxima is the classied thing to hit the roads. Maybe you're the one posting crap...since you are the one who is doing the flaming. It's already obvious that you're a "general idiot."

Poor Solo...he's been on this BBS longer than most (his reason: he owned a Maxima) and this is the treatment he get. I'd better get nothing less than a Maxima!

 

Then a motorcycle cannot beat a Maxima..since it has such little torque, right?

If a 4-cyl cannot beat a 6-cyl, then by the same logic a 6-cyl cannot beat an 8-cyl. Therefore, any roadkill involving a 540i among many other 8-cyl cars is BS. But i forgot...this is a Maxima..the rules don't apply.

MOBOY..do you think you car is fast? To a Supra or BMW (for example) you are also the stupid "redneck" who thinks their Maxima is fast.

 

Actually, I'm posting to bring awareness. I have several friends with 400rwhp+ z's, and a plethora of MKiii/MKiv Supra friends...most of them don't know squat about Hondas. Most people who hate a particular brand of cars, typically doesn't know a whole lot about them.

http://hybrid.honda-perf.org/tech/engine.html
I'll mention the common engines and where to find them.
D16Z - 1.6L Vtec SOHC (92-95 Civic EX) - 125hp
B16A - 1.6L Vtec DOHC (90-91 JDM CRX SiR) - 160hp
B18C1 - 1.8L Vtec dohc (Integ GSR) - 170hp
B18C5 - 1.8L vtec Dohc (ITR) - 190hp?

Stock Hondas, 90% of the time, run 15s or slower. A civic EX is going to do 16s-17s all day long. Especially with the added weight of rims etc. so, it's not uncommon. Hybrids should run 15s and faster, however.

Well, the B16A?4? in the 99-00 Civic Si's are slightly different than the B16A1. Mainly OBD2 and hydraulic tranny.

so, who wants to campaign this? I want to see a gutted 96 GXE 5spd with a VQ35DE in it!

Which someone else brought up. 4 cylinders typically make very very very low torque figures. Yes, torque is good too (please don't bring the torque vs hp discussion). But, with tuning, and the proper modifications, you can compensate for the lack of torque (mainly in a lighter chassis) and ability to make more power at the upper portion of the band.

I miss the VQ. It had a very nice pull from most of the rpm band. I REALLY miss my supra though (eh).

I'm just questioning why everyone doubts hondas abilities. I'm not all the fond of Hondas myself, but, i know what they're capable of, they're god awful cheap to modify, and to top it off, the aftermarket for them is insane (compared to Supras and Maximas).

 

Have you heard of this thing called the internet? You can do searches and stuff for information that you are interested in. If I was interested in in Honduhs I can do searches and find out about them. If I'm interested in Maximas I can find out info on them too! No offence but I really don't care about all the Civics and Honduhs etc.. at least reading about them on a maxima.org org forum namely a 5th Gen Maxima one. Basically anyone intersted in Honduhs can easily find out info on them. As for your race story with the AE 5spd Maxima I don't believe it and you can read my comments on your other great Maxima related post.

 

Whatever. The point of this thread - obviously - is that a Honda with a transplant or worked can be faster than a maxima.

To be quite honest - BFD. We know that. Most of the time people post races because some riced out civic tried to race. Most of the riced out civics/accords are a joke - and have no conception of what a Maxima is or how fast it is (not suggesting it is THAT fast, just that they don't know what times one will run).

I've got a lot of respect for the people who actually know what they are doing and sink some serious funds/effort into their Honda cars. I've been beaten by enough of them.

As for the rest of them, it is almost satisfying beating them so badly they won't pull up next to you at the next light.

 

Okay for the 10 Zillionth time. So freaking what if that car has low torque relative to the hp??? The cars that are mentioned are LIGHT. Get it? L-I-G-H-T. That means it doesn't take alot of hp to get the car moving. The VTEC gives these cars incredible pulling power and super flate torque curves all over the rpm range.

If torque is everything, then why isn't those 18wheels semis w/ 900ftlbs torque killing us??

 

I got beat once before by a honda , in my 94'300Z NA but not really. It was first gen crx, we started off at a double left turn light onto a highway. I looked over at him and started laughing cause he was sittin' a friggin milk crate. before I knew it, this guy was just BELUUUUURT-WHAAAAAAA taking off. So, what the hell I hit it too after he had already had a least a car length on me. I never did catch him! Bottom line is, if we remove every single thing that's not welded to our maxes body we'd be killing every single honda-hybrid our there. Most of us have these cars for a reason, good luxury at a decent value for what it is.

Oh yes, that little white car below. I had never gotten beat by a ricer on public road while driving it. why? 155HP/1600lbs including seats (front and back), interior pannels, the dashboard, spare tire, jack, tools, and stereo equipment.

 

Then don't click on those threads.

 

Because most people would flunk a high school physics competency test.

 

What counts for acceleration is the torque at the wheels. When a car has a high max Hp figure but a moderate max torque rating, it usually means that the engine can produce a decent amount of torque at high RPMs, and therefore, shorter gearing can be used, which results in a lot of torque at the wheels.

 

I'm confused, I always thought H.P.= torque+weight equates to speed. What am I missing?

 

Horsepower=torque X revs per minuted divided by 5252
5252rpms is where torque and horspower meet on a graph.

 

I think, H.P. = k * T * n, where k - some constant, T - torgue and n - rpm.

To "kill" somebody you'd like to provide as much acceleration as possible which can be calculated as a = F/m where F - is the force from torgue and m - car's weight. This explains bike's acceleration, isn't it?

The F, in turns:

F = T*r/R where r - gear ratio and R - wheel radius.

then, a = T*r/(R*m)

So, if you have havier car with bigger wheels and less gear ratio - it'd have problems to kill someone else's car with less torgue.

All above in assumption that torgue is the always the same but it actually very dependent on rpms and engine dyno characteristics as everybody knows. It comes to simple point - with comparable (from perfomance point of view) cars it all up to drivers . This uncertainty gives us fun on the road and source for flames afterward .

Mike.

 

All I know is that I don't believe everything I hear...

BUT! I can guarantee the following is true:

I was dead even with a 4.6 mustang GT and a Porche 944 up to 130 mph. AND I lost to a Cavalier Z24 with an auto. Go figure???

Maxima's are not fast cars! They are quick for what they are. (A mid sized 4-door $25k family/sport sedan) The excellence in the Maxima is its all-around capability and value. If I want to turn 13's...I'll buy a Z28.

BTW, I also think 0-60 is a poor measurement of quickness.
You may be doing 60 when the guy in front of you is only doing 58. Your gaining...but if the race ended...you still lost!

Thats just my opinion...