Well I swapped from SSAC to Cattman Headers on Thursday and took it to the track on Friday to see how she did. I had the primary o2 sensors hooked up, but left the rear two o2 sensors unplugged b/c havnt had time to order sims yet--throwing codes for that ofcourse. What a world of difference in the quality of the 2 headers. And feel way smoother, torquier power with the CM's on.

I met my friend at the track w/ a buncha guys from clubtitan.org -- halfway through the night they hooked my car up to their Cipher program and found out my Timing was at -1 (14) and bumped it up +3 for me to set it at 17* -- it seemed to help too, b/c my trapspeeds went from 100.X to 101.X

The car has PR CAi, CM Headers, Racecat, stock exhaust, and was timing advanced to 17* halfway through the night. I weighed the car on the scales at the track, with 1/4 tank it weighed-in at 3075, with me was 3285lbs.

I'm not real sure about any DA #'s, as I don't pay much attention to that, but the track is the Texas Motorplex in Ennis, TX -- Elevation 530ft. It was pretty warm when we first got there, in the 80's and dropped down to about 70 as the night went on (according to the car meter for what that's worth)

First 3 runs of the night were a 14.0X @ 100.X -- On the very next run, I hit a 13.9X @ 100.X and was told I need a helmet As luck would have it, they said I could borrow one if I left my drivers license

I made some more runs and was real consistent, hit some 14.0X's and about 4 runs were 13.9X's. All @ 100.x-101.X MPH. My 60ft's were not that great at all, tons of 2.3X's and some high 2.2X's. The track was sticky, but my original clutch with 111k on it didn't seem up to the task. Would slip from about 3k and it would grip then bog. Tried higher launches and it would grip, kind of bog, then start hopping.. Weird, b/c I have the ES front and rear solid MMs in.

All the timeslips are in the car still; I'll bring them in and post up the exact #'s. The clubtitan guys were great, and running very strongly!! My friend got a best of 14.09 on street tires with N/A boltons-- 1.9X 60ft!

2 guys were spraying, and one nailed a 13.3X..
Anyways, here is a video from the titan guys, you can see some of my runs at 3:00mins and 4:55mins into the vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdA6O...eature=related

Let me know what you guys think about the times for my mods. I would really like to get a new clutch and suspension before I go again(original struts ftl!)

 

Cool, nice runs.

 

Ran down and grabbed some of the slips from the car -- I'm Car# 5125 In left lane on all of these runs

5/16/2008
10:57 PM
Lane -- Left -- Right
Car# -- 5125 -- 5156
R/T -- 0.161 -- 0.213
60' -- 2.277 -- 2.389
330' -- 6.048 -- 6.285
1/8: -- 9.12 -- 9.499
MPH -- 80.53 -- 76.45
1000' -- 11.748 -- 12.283
1/4: -- 13.969 -- 14.63
MPH -- 101.22 -- 95.71


8:15 PM
Lane -- Left -- Right
Car# -- 5125 -- 5156
R/T -- 0.353 -- 0.182
60' -- 2.21 -- 2.026
330' -- 5.991 -- 5.842
1/8: -- 9.076 -- 9.03
MPH -- 80.01 -- 77.42
1000' -- 11.717 -- 11.804
1/4: -- 13.946 -- 14.172
MPH -- 100.79 -- 94.81

10:18 PM
Lane -- Left -- Right
Car# -- 5125 -- 2362
R/T -- 0.393 -- 0.707
60' -- 2.243 -- 2.216
330' -- 6.02 -- 6.212
1/8: -- 9.112 -- 9.47
MPH -- 79.88 -- 75.19
1000' -- 11.757 -- 12.279
1/4: -- 13.998 -- 14.63
MPH -- 100.25 -- 95.83

10:33 PM
Lane -- Left -- Right
Car# -- 5125 -- 2354
R/T -- 0.604 -- 0.451
60' -- 2.278 -- 2.236
330' -- 6.061 -- 6.1
1/8: -- 9.141 -- 9.258
MPH -- 80.2 -- 78.75
1000' -- 11.776 -- 11.97
1/4: -- 14.001 -- 14.267
MPH -- 100.74 -- 97.93

 

Congrats on cracking 13's!

 

Good runs. Great consistency, what you need to now is enter a race, don't be a T&T queen, race against the real guys. Racing is where its at, T&T is for pussies and those who are just looking for a best time, real world racing is da bomb. I don't really have time to best my numbers, I am too busy racing against the real world to worry about who is the fastest/quickest. Maybe someday I may take that seriously.

I can't remember the last time I did a T&T.

 

wow that post had some venom to it lol

 

Almost makes me wish I had an 800 HP Supra and a 12 sec timeslip.

 

Maybe you're just in a bad mood or something, but if he finds enjoyment doing T&T, then he can do what he wants.

I've done bracket racing, and I just don't enjoy it as much as a relaxing T&T night with some friends. I suppose in your current elitist opinion, I'm a *****, but because I enjoy it, you can shove your opinion up your @ss.

I'm sure there's plenty of autocrossers on here who's opinion is that bracket racing is for pussies, but are they in this thread calling you one for bracket racing? It's pretty easy to respect other people.

*ON TOPIC* Those are some nice runs, especially for 2.2+ 60 foots! I'm sure with a new clutch you'll be able to pull some low 2.1s or even 2.0s and pull it down closer to mid 13s. I think I remember you from thevboard... what happened to your alti!?

 

I am not trying to put down T&T'ers, just those that spend 100% of their time trying to prove they are the best. It's a game that you are ultimately going to lose. I don't consider myself an elitest or whatever you call it I just love racing and consider going to the track 3 or 4 times a year to best your time is just showboating and just ain't my style.

Although T&T'ing is fun its just a prelude to the real world. I love a challenge and that is what racing is, whether its against your friends or trying to win and make some money. Its all about competition, whether its against yourself or someone else.

You my think you are king Sheit at T&T but real competition shows who has it totally together. I screw up all the time and usually when I lose its because I messed up. This weekend I started off in 2nd gear one run and another I switched my map to by mistake to testing run with a 9 deg advance and ran a 14 sec run when I dialed a 12. I am always trying to get guys to race vs T&T but for some reason they just don't want to compete, they will spend $30 for T&T when they could race for $35 and get a purse of $300. If you lose out on the first round you can switch over to T&T and get just as many runs in but it falls on deaf ears, I am at a loss to explain why.

This weekend they forced the T&T'ers to either race or go home and I spent a lot of time in the lanes helping guys select their dial-in and explain how it works. I am hoping in future T&T is eliminated totally during race events.

 

Although you can just go to T&Ts to get new PBs, there's alot of side betting and competition going on at MOST tracks i've been to. I've been to a few T&T nights at the local track here where they turn off the boards for the betters to hide their times.

The point I was trying to make is that you have no need to call him a ***** if he likes T&T.

 

Plus who doesn't showboat every once in a while. Is that your "best" run there under your username, lol???

 

I did not call HIM a *****. I was not trying to put him down either, just trying to encourage him to take it a step further. I think that PlanoSER did great no put down at all. He stepped up to the plate and laid it down.

 

nice time's welcome to the 13sec club and enjoy it cause dropping the next sec is a
b!tch

btw jime are you saying just do Tand T on a seperate day or kill it all together. cause without TandT I would have never been able to set my car or truck up.

 

Thanks for the posts guys, I did not take them personally! Yes, I used to be on thevboard -- had a SpecV back in the day. I love racing; used to go every weekend back in my 200SX SE-R and SpecV days, but honestly havnt been in over a year or 2 -- only took the Max twice back in the day. The car had some issues the past year that I have been fixing as they occur (bearings, hubs, cv, p0300 codes, bad maf, coils, valve cover gaskets, exhaust leaks etc..) Finally got her running well and took her to a T&T to see how she does with the new headers and was happy with the results. I think I got bit w/ the bug again, and agree, the next step is to get back to the real events. Am hear to learn from you guys and appreciate any criticisms you can offer! I know for sure my first step is to get better at the tree, that's for sure

 

I just don't agree with T&T on a race day, T&T is great and I am all for it but not on a race day it just slows the program to a stall when you have 50 T&T'ers and 10 in the street class where these guys should be.

 

It was Fast Friday, the only real event going on was the high school series and the track was dead... I get where you're coming from though.

 

Thank you. You done great and I was applauding your efforts. Trying to do better should the reason we are there in the first place. The Fri night events are precious and although you see guys trying to stage with their rear wheels etc, we all start there and I go out of my way to encourage guys when I see them struggling. We had a young fellow on sat who entered the event and didn't know he was supposed to put a dial-in on his car. I walked up and asked him if he knew that he had to have a dial for the first round and explained how to chose his dial etc and he ended up going to the 3rd round and was super happy with his results. He was running a VW Jetta and was in the 15.5 sec range.

Our local track calls it "Take it to the track" on fri evening its $20 for racers and $10 for spectators. http://www.torontomotorsportspark.com/dragway/home.htm

 

Hard to argue with that. Which is why, personally, when I go for T&T specifically I go on a day that there is no race program, or just a club day. That way the T&T'ers get to set their own pace for running passes and not interfere with a race program.

I do enjoy the competition of racing vs T&T, however my car has been broken for long stretches (2 oil pumps, seized engine) and going through so many changes in recent times that there'd be no point in trying to make regular series races. Also, I have a lot of other things on the go as well and making a regular weekly race is a challenge, and not always the top life priority to be honest. I do hope to race more regularly (incl. perhaps CSCS) once my 3.5 setup is to a point where I can be somewhat consistent with it.

Did something happen this weekend at the races to put a burr under your saddle Jim? You seem pretty agitated to say the least...

 

No I'm not agitated at all, just speaking from the heart. I just hate stuff that doesn't work and I spend time spinning my wheels trying to get it to work. However now that I have the UTEC and my coils are now safe all is fine and I am back on track. I don't mind pioneering but at times I feel like when I was in the wet nitrous camp and all alone, now that is the only way to go. Nitrous is the best boost alternative because you can run N/A one pass and the next pass run spray, can't do that with turbo or S/C and I don't want a DD that takes tech to operate. I love power and speed but I don't trailer my car and I do use it daily so it must be able to run low 12's at the drop of a hat and pickup groceries on the way back home. My current setup does that. I race with both front seats as well as my my new rear leather from my wife's GLE and even a full 12V HD battery setup. I really don't have time to try for a best pass but on fri eve I ran a 12.5 with a cat and factory muffler before reducing the shift points from stock to 5100 RPM to put me in the 12.9 range. Later this year if time permits i may make a run at my own N/A record but I really don't see that happening because of my schedule. I really think that a low 12 or high 11 is possible with my current setup. We will see.

 

Are you talking about the EU and/or V-manage? I can understand that would be frustrating, I'm still kind of surprised that the EU and the A33B ECU's don't play nice, I'm not sure why. But I am glad to see you found a good tranny control solution with the Suprastick.

However, why state the following?

Jim I respect you, but I don't understand what the above statement has to do with frustrations caused by the EU or whatever problems, which is why I asked if someone put a burr under you at the track recently because this almost sounds targeted, like you said it with a specific person or persons in mind. Did you encounter someone, who in your opinion, is/was spending 100% of their time to prove they are the best, and being elitist, showboating etc? I certainly hope you are not thinking of anyone here, because no one comes to my mind, and I can tell you it's not my goal either. My goal is simply to get a certain level of performance out of the car that I have in mind, and to get to that level I have a specific modding plan in place that I'm working my way through step by step. It started with the 3L and is now moving to the 3.5L. The closer I get to the final configuration, the more I'll likely focus on racing events rather than T&T, and I'm also interested in road course, not just 1/4 mile. If someone else runs faster than me or gets a higher performance level etc, then so be it, and good for them! There'll always be someone faster somewhere. And BTW, while I'm on the subject... I want the community to know that whatever I post by way of timeslips, videos etc is simply to a) share my journey, b) encourage/stir up excitement in fellow enthusiasts as to what the car/engine is capable of, c) represent the Maxima to the larger automotive community, and lastly d) videography/video editing is another interest of mine and so I enjoy combining 2 hobbies.


But I digress. As others have said, is it not possible that people have their own reasons for doing T&T etc? And is it not just as valid that someone may enjoy that and not necessarily want to bracket race, for whatever their reasons may be? Does that necessarily make them a p***y?


Sometimes I enjoy shooting for PB's on a T&T day, (and on those days generally don't put much effort into "racing" - hitting lights, R/T etc), but I enjoy the T&T still because I want to see how far I can push the car and what it's capable of with a given setup, and often, running brackets you're not running at max potential for various reasons: hot laps, weather, indexed event etc, as you well know. (Haven't you too on occasion wanted to push your car down the track at the max, just to see where that limit is at full potential for the current setup?) But there have also been times when I didn't care about PB's and just wanted to race a bracket and go for the win. Yes it hasn't been often recently, for reasons I mentioned in my last post, but as I said, I do intend to enter more events with my 3.5.

Now T&T slowing down a busy race day, I can see that point for sure, but that's a separate issue.


Not sure what you mean here, is that good or bad? Or do you mean you're alone in that no one else is bracket racing heavily currently?


Hey if that's what appeals to you and works for your goals then more power to you! I don't think anyone on here has a problem with that, quite a few people are following in your footsteps with the spray if I'm not mistaken.


Well if you do find time to try for a new PB, I'm sure we'll all be happy to hear about it. I'd love to see an N/A 3.5 run close to (or achieve) an 11. And we're also happy to hear when you do well in/win a race event. IMO anyone who is an avid Maxima enthusiast will always be happy to see someone doing well in a Maxima as it's not a commonly raced car and certainly surprises people, and I know yours definitely does that.

 

Wow, great times with your current list of mods. I used to live in the DFW area and the Texas Motorplex at Ennis was a good track.

 

Breaking 13's is a wonderful feeling Congrats.

 

I'm talking about the EU. I spent countless hours trying to troubleshoot the problems when running with the A33B. Instead of looking at the EU as the source of the problem I tried to find what in my setup was causing it, regardless a frustrating venture that just kept me from racing for a couple of months.


If you spent any amount of time at the track on race events you would see why I get frustrated at T&T'ers. On a normal race day we get 50-75 T&T'ers over half of which would be good street class cars. Instead of paying an extra $5 to race they choose overload the lanes, get in lanes they shouldn't be, leave their cars unattended for extended periods causing slowdowns, race on the return road, argue with the track officials, etc etc. They always pick a slower car as an opponent to show off to their friends, push their 15 sec car through the lanes leaving a trail of water from the ice on their manifold, whatever I've seen it all. On T&T days go for it but event days they should be either forced to enter a class or go home. This is basically a track decision because they want to make the extra bucks. This was brought at the annual drivers meeting and the owner said they would deal with it and reduce the number of runs for T&T'ing or stop altogether if the event got bogged down, however its still happening and I hate driving home in the dark when I should have been there 4 hours earlier.


I don't mind pioneering but it gets frustrating when most others disagree with your stand and then a couple of years later adopt it as the standard. The results are good but the process isn't.

Only a part of my racing is bracket. I currently run 3 series one of which is bracket, one is heads-up and the other is heads-up index. Don't get me wrong I love bracket racing, but its not the only way to race, it just takes more strategy and mind games than heads-up.

Sometimes I get the distinct impression that some people think that nitrous isn't an honorable boost option. If anyone ever watches the pro's race you will see that nitrous is used in almost all classes and even the 5 sec Pro Mod class is split between nitrous and blown. Its the only way I know to run a fully tuned N/A car one pass and compete with the Turbo and S/C's the next.

It all boils down to choices and as much as I try to get guys to race vs T&T'ing it seems that they are afraid to step up to the plate. Whether its fear of the unknown, don't like competition or just like playing by themselves I'm not sure.

I just got back from a 2 day event that got delayed until midnight Sat mostly because of T&T either breaking and spewing crap all over the track and rained out on Sunday, so I am pi$$ed and venting my frustrations. Sorry that everyone has to listen to me but get used to it, its just the way I are.

 

Did you ever find out what specifically was the issue with the EU? It seems to be fine with A32/A33 ECU's, so what's different with the 33B I wonder...?



True that I haven't been at race events recently but I've definitely seen what you're describing in times past. And I can agree with your viewpoint. Which is why I mentioned earlier that if I'm intending to do T&T I do it on a non-race day (and also partly why you haven't seen me recently at race events, aside from the car being down for long stretches). My comments were based on what I thought you were thinking when you made your original statements, but after reading this now I think perhaps I was mistaken, and read into it incorrectly and presumed that you were thinking along a different train of thought.


True, I think indexed or heads-up is more fun, although the advantage of a bracket is that it levels the playing field more for the guys that are slower.


Some people probably do think that, that it's not an honorable option. But you are correct, it is widely used by the pro's and is a legitimate power adder for dragstrip use. Personally, I tend not to prefer it as much as having a TC or SC because of having to keep filling a bottle, but that's just a personal taste and I don't consider you dishonorable for using it. If I've ever teased anyone about using nitrous it was only intended in good fun.



It was a crappy weekend for weather wasn't it. I'm sorry that you had a frustrating event also.

 

I ordered an Exedy OEM clutch as well as a MR catback today.. I think in about 2 weeks I'll be able to see what effect they made on my ET & Trap. Ater that, need to order suspension and I'll be set to do some 'real' racing as you guys call it.

This was my first time to run at the track in nearly a few years. And for whatever reason, attendance seems to be WAY down from when I used to go. I don't know if either of you guys are noticing the same in your area? I grew accustom to the waiting in line for 2 hours between runs and while this was a pleasant surprise, it is also kind of disturbing-- My friend has gone numerous times this year and mentioned the same. Just wanted to get your feed back on that. Thanks-

 

It can still be busy here, just depends if it's a big event and which track. I've seen both packed and dead on different days.

 

That is never the case here in Orlando. They have drags every wednesday and friday night. It is always packed. When you go out there don't really expect to get more than 2 runs in for the entire night. If you are lucky you will get 3 in. I get jealous when I read about you guys going out and getting 7 runs in, lol. I am going again this friday so we will see what happens

To the OP congrats on the times, I hope to eventually get there.

 

Great times for such minimal mods.

Watching that youtube video...y'all need to leave on the last yellow.

 

I know man, that's what i usually do, and I even tell others to do that, but as you can tell, I was seriously rusty! I was trying some different launch techniques as well along the way, and was more concerned w/ that than cutting a perfect light. But still.. you are correct -- bad RT's as you can see on my timeslips above. I am hoping to get some of the DFW guys to go out to the track next time I go -- any interest?

 

RT's don't mean anything for actual ET's. But I know you knew that.

 

Definitely interested. I used to bracket race all the time when I had my Chevelle, so for me, reaction time was important and so was running my dial once time trials were over and we moved on to the real thing. Sucks having to lift before the traps when you have a good lead but you do what you have to do to win without breaking.

 

alright cool, I'll try and post something in the Regional/TX forum next time I go. Also, the clubtitan guys should be there and almost all of them have UpRev w/ Cipher -- they can advance your timing if you'd like. It literally takes 2 seconds.

 

Nice.

 

great time!

 

boo for the helmet. I run 13.2 and haven't been told to wear it yet. I just keep it in the back seat. BTW, that's in my SpecV, not the Max.