ok so ive been warned to stay away from the weapon r intake for several reasons, one of which is that their ram air setup is just a flexible hose and blah blah blah. so what about frankencar's stage 3 setup. same thing, no?

 

Just save yourself the trouble and get the PR/Cattman CAI. Tried and true.

And brings cold air outside of the engine into the engine

 

www.cattman.com

 

i would totally buy a cattman or PR cai, but its the installation that such a *****. im away at school, dont have a dremel, and it would be such a pain to get done. if there were a cai that didnt need drilling...

 

Thats why you should wait on my new cai intake that requires no drilling, so just hold on to your horses until the mid feb!

 

there is one "in the making" it will be out "soon" or so they say.

 

aye aye capn! how much are we talkin about here?

 

Out of those two, frakencar intake. Personally, I would get frankencar intake over Stillens because its cheaper, and the stage 1, stage 2, ect ect.. that DMBmaxima will be offering. CAI needs drilling, so thats a big no for me.

 

I'm waiting bro but you do have to deal with the competition. I'm going to take a look at the Franken intake tomorrow.

 

Yeah um that would be me making it!

 

Indeed it is you. now hurry up so i don't have to get a drill /.

 

ya i think my stage 3 will be much better then a CAI because
1. the CAI has such a long tube it chokes the engine at higher revs
2. the supply vent for hte air on my stage 3 is gonna be like a BIG fan, the faster you go and the harder you push the more air you get. even though i already have 10hp gains and cai's barely touch that, plus no drilling, plus revs better up top.

 

ok but people have compared the weapon r ram air hose to a garden hose. why is yours gonna be any better? im too lazy to do a search on it, but i know the topic came up just the other day.

 

You got 10hp out of your 3.5 we are talking 3.0vq here. Has anyone put a cai on their 3.5 and seen what they got?? I'm not saying your not going to get 10hp out of a 3.0 but the 3.5 has a longer stroke, on the down stroke it produce the air pulling that you feel, the 3.0 stroke is shorter, thus the air flow will not be as great. So I dont think you will get the same numbers on the 3.0

 

we have a 3.0 dynoign this week.

 

From stock to FC stage 2? Or just a FC stage 2 dyno?

When I get my FC hardware I'm going to dyno stillen pop vs fc stage2 on my 2k1.

 

we already have a stock dyno and he's going bakc with the frankencar.

 

Was his original dyno done with the hood open or closed? I'm pretty sure I remember your dyno (+10 hp over stock) being done with the hood open, which would give you cooler air. I'm curious to see dyno results from your car with the hood closed.

How bout doing the dyno test this time with the hood closed, since we drive that way.

 

Good job steve defending your product i just hope you don't run out of supply when people are bangin' at your door.

 

i knoiw, i just worked out a deal for k/n's though. thank god the ones i needed where hard to find.

 

I am still confused on why your intake is better than JWT, Stillen and any other hot air intake system..besides the price????

you are still pulling air from under the hood no matter what...regardless how you design your intake tubing, etc!!!

and yeah dyno does not represent any real world driving..any intake company you see out there can provide you with dynos that show gain on their intake systems. Isn't that Weird??????

 

When your driving there is tons of cool air flying inside your hood, so if you want to do a proper dyno with the hood closed you would need a massive fan blowing at your car, no dyno shop fan will do this though.

 

[Deezo claps his hands]

 

yup most people don't understand the amoutn of air flow under the hood of a car when your moving. LOTS, so hood open no moving or hood closed and going 40-120 like a dyno run is simulatiing is prolly actually pretty close.

it is better then the stillen because another 2k2 6-spd owner dynoed with a stillen and got 3less hp and 7 less TQ, he actually lost two TQ so the stillen does make you lose TQ where as mine gains 5. and i'm gonna integrate a stage III cold air vent with heatshield for those that are really worried, but once your moving it's no big deal. all the fastest maximas have a POP, all the stubborn slow ones have a CAI, plus who wants to drill a GIGANTIC HOLE in their 25-28k car. not me.

 

nice numbers...


and no cutting a hole!!! in a 25-28k car!!

 

Yeah, it's kind of weird how the fastest N/A car on this bored has a POP charger.

 

Not anymore anyway. didn't you have a CAI in your other Max?

 

Yes, and he was mad slow

 

Yes, I think he had a CAI, but the hole was already there from rust.

 

but HIS car was only worth 3k!!!

 

Jeff and Jeff

LOL!!!

 

Ah, I hadn't thought of that!
Now, if I get my Monte finished some time this century (12" front brakes and a paint job), I'll start really modding the Max.

 

I think it's great that Steve is making and selling these intakes.

I just have few questions:

Was the 2k2 Max with Stillen intake dynoed on the same machine when he tested your intake?

Does the 2k2 Max have a resonator between the TB and MAF? If it does, then that means your intake negates the resonator where as the Stillen/JWT leaves the resonator on. Maybe this is where your intake makes the extra power? My HKS intake felt more lively without the resonator and the sound got MUCH deeper without the resonator.

What's your heatshield gonna look like? I've been running a custom built heatshield on HKS intake for about 9 months now, I love it, and it works. Here's a pic: http://home.earthlink.net/~thunderlt...ges/intake.jpg
I've got a new idea for a new heatshield I'll be woring on this weekend.

Your intake definately makes some good numbers, but I think we should wait for a dyno on the 2k2 with a CAI before you start saying your intake is superior. However, I do think the FC/POP will outperform the CAI.


Dave

 

so back to my ORIGINAL question, what makes this ram air any better than the weapon r ram air?

 

i knew your were around somewhere

no the two cars weren't dynoed on the same machine. so the numbers could be slightly different but that torque number is way different


yes the 2k2 max has a resonator and my system replaces it and htat is where the extra sound and power prolly comes from yes.

i'm still up in the air about the heatshield, how to make it/ more r/d to go.

and thanks about the outperforming thing, i think this is the best compromise between the two. good all over, no this loses low end, this gains low end. just good and great sound.