WSP Subframe Connector Stage II review and pics...
WSP Subframe Connector Stage II review and pics...
First, keep in mind I've got every other suspension mod available for 3rd gens, so that plays a huge role here too.
The stage 2 pieces have been on a couple weeks now. Overall handling of the car between stage I and II didn't change a lot, BUT it was noticeable. the biggest difference is in driveability- the car feels sooooo much better. the drive on the highway is about as smooth as stock- no more bouncy bouncy because of the stiff springs. Ride is great.
cornering is still very impressive. corners that I could only take at 45 before, I can now hit the rev limiter in 2nd (about 70mph) on the same corner.
As far as what's different between stage I and II...
Stage I includes the bars that run beside the frame rails from fromt to back (connecting the front and rear subframes).
Stage II is an addition to the stage I. it's a large "6 spoked X" right in the middle. there's a thick piece of metal (1.75" I believe.. same as the long bars) that runs the width of the frame just
behind the cat, and has a metal plate welded in the middle. it bolts onto more metal brackets on the stage I rails.
Then from that metal plate in the middle (just behind the cat), there's an X going from there to each of the front and rear corners of the subframe bars.
Pipe diameter there is 1/2 or 3/4" or 1" I think. don't remember now.
Road noise is DRAMATICALLY less after I sprayed the whole thing (except what was near the exhaust) with rubberized undercoater. $5 and one hour very well spent. it's now quieter than my
car ever thought of baing in stock form (but I've also got 40lb of dynamat in it.)
the stage II is a bolt-on kit that you can do in your driveway after the install of the Stage I.
the stage I will require a drive-on lift for install, and MUST be welded to the frame. no wussy bolt people here. you've gotta weld. (and actually, welding it on makes it easier to return the car to
stock than if you'd drilled holes in the frame to bolt it on.)
Pictures are here:
The "production version" will only use 6 pads welded to the frame total. my kit had to have the extra pads welded on because the original ones were only there to put the stage I system in place, and had to weld additional pads on for the mounting of the stage II.
The stage I bars are the black ones, while the stage II is the big X with rust on it. (it's thick, high strength steel, and I've already painted the parts after the pics. rust is not a concern other than appearance)
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pics/car/subframes
The stage 2 pieces have been on a couple weeks now. Overall handling of the car between stage I and II didn't change a lot, BUT it was noticeable. the biggest difference is in driveability- the car feels sooooo much better. the drive on the highway is about as smooth as stock- no more bouncy bouncy because of the stiff springs. Ride is great.
cornering is still very impressive. corners that I could only take at 45 before, I can now hit the rev limiter in 2nd (about 70mph) on the same corner.
As far as what's different between stage I and II...
Stage I includes the bars that run beside the frame rails from fromt to back (connecting the front and rear subframes).
Stage II is an addition to the stage I. it's a large "6 spoked X" right in the middle. there's a thick piece of metal (1.75" I believe.. same as the long bars) that runs the width of the frame just
behind the cat, and has a metal plate welded in the middle. it bolts onto more metal brackets on the stage I rails.
Then from that metal plate in the middle (just behind the cat), there's an X going from there to each of the front and rear corners of the subframe bars.
Pipe diameter there is 1/2 or 3/4" or 1" I think. don't remember now.
Road noise is DRAMATICALLY less after I sprayed the whole thing (except what was near the exhaust) with rubberized undercoater. $5 and one hour very well spent. it's now quieter than my
car ever thought of baing in stock form (but I've also got 40lb of dynamat in it.)
the stage II is a bolt-on kit that you can do in your driveway after the install of the Stage I.
the stage I will require a drive-on lift for install, and MUST be welded to the frame. no wussy bolt people here. you've gotta weld. (and actually, welding it on makes it easier to return the car to
stock than if you'd drilled holes in the frame to bolt it on.)
Pictures are here:
The "production version" will only use 6 pads welded to the frame total. my kit had to have the extra pads welded on because the original ones were only there to put the stage I system in place, and had to weld additional pads on for the mounting of the stage II.
The stage I bars are the black ones, while the stage II is the big X with rust on it. (it's thick, high strength steel, and I've already painted the parts after the pics. rust is not a concern other than appearance)
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pics/car/subframes
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Re: WSP Subframe Connector Stage II review and pics...
Originally posted by Matt93SE
Pictures are here:
The "production version" will only use 6 pads welded to the frame total. my kit had to have the extra pads welded on because the original ones were only there to put the stage I system in place, and had to weld additional pads on for the mounting of the stage II.
The stage I bars are the black ones, while the stage II is the big X with rust on it. (it's thick, high strength steel, and I've already painted the parts after the pics. rust is not a concern other than appearance)
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pics/car/subframes
Pictures are here:
The "production version" will only use 6 pads welded to the frame total. my kit had to have the extra pads welded on because the original ones were only there to put the stage I system in place, and had to weld additional pads on for the mounting of the stage II.
The stage I bars are the black ones, while the stage II is the big X with rust on it. (it's thick, high strength steel, and I've already painted the parts after the pics. rust is not a concern other than appearance)
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pics/car/subframes
where'd you get the rubberized under coat spray? road noise on my car is irritating
yup yup.. buy both.
handling comes with stage I, stock ride comfort comes with stage II, but you still keep the handling.
I think that says enough in itself.
undercoater spray can be picked up at any auto parts store. even wal-mart has it. it'll be in the "spray can section" of the auto parts dept.
handling comes with stage I, stock ride comfort comes with stage II, but you still keep the handling.
I think that says enough in itself.
undercoater spray can be picked up at any auto parts store. even wal-mart has it. it'll be in the "spray can section" of the auto parts dept.
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Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,030
Originally posted by Matt93SE
yup yup.. buy both.
handling comes with stage I, stock ride comfort comes with stage II, but you still keep the handling.
I think that says enough in itself.
undercoater spray can be picked up at any auto parts store. even wal-mart has it. it'll be in the "spray can section" of the auto parts dept.
yup yup.. buy both.
handling comes with stage I, stock ride comfort comes with stage II, but you still keep the handling.
I think that says enough in itself.
undercoater spray can be picked up at any auto parts store. even wal-mart has it. it'll be in the "spray can section" of the auto parts dept.
nothing is better than, good handling..+ stock ride comfort..
which i thought was never gonna be accomplished..but looks like dallas has outdone him self again
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