It could be bad news!!! Spark plug reading experts look.
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It could be bad news!!! Spark plug reading experts look.
Here are pics of my cylinder number 4 spark plug. The ground electorde was melted off and about 1/8" of the insulator is missing. However, the center electrode has no damage.
http://public.fotki.com/1max2nv/1max2nv/engine/
It looks like I have some initial preignition follow by some sustained pre-ignition.
http://public.fotki.com/1max2nv/1max2nv/engine/
It looks like I have some initial preignition follow by some sustained pre-ignition.
I have done the same thing after only 1 run with BKR7E's as well. Even went to NGK for some advice, they recommended some racing plugs which I tried but they did not work with nitrous, ok N/A but as soon as I hit the spray it starting missing. I got back to them and they said they would call me back but never happened.
Not sure what the cure is, I was even using 114 octane for the nitrous.
Make sure you do a compression check of that cyl to see what it is, it would have caused damage.
Thats why I bought the wideband so I can properly tune on the track. Want to know for sure what the A/F is.
Not sure what the cure is, I was even using 114 octane for the nitrous.
Make sure you do a compression check of that cyl to see what it is, it would have caused damage.
Thats why I bought the wideband so I can properly tune on the track. Want to know for sure what the A/F is.
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Jime,
What's the possibility that I have cause damage to that cylinder? My EGT didn't go above 1400F. What kind of damage could I have caused? Holes in the piston and melted the valves? Was your motor okay after the incident?
What's the possibility that I have cause damage to that cylinder? My EGT didn't go above 1400F. What kind of damage could I have caused? Holes in the piston and melted the valves? Was your motor okay after the incident?
Originally Posted by 1MAX2NV
Jime,
What's the possibility that I have cause damage to that cylinder? My EGT didn't go above 1400F. What kind of damage could I have caused? Holes in the piston and melted the valves? Was your motor okay after the incident?
What's the possibility that I have cause damage to that cylinder? My EGT didn't go above 1400F. What kind of damage could I have caused? Holes in the piston and melted the valves? Was your motor okay after the incident?
Didn't do any damage I could see on mine, compression was still ok, but it did scare me a bit. That was the last time I was at the track and only on a 35 shot so I still have to find out why.
I would watch it very closely though, scary sheit.
Not sure of the reason or solution yet.
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This happened with 125 shot. I thought my plugs were fouled at first. I usually do a quick burst with the nitrous bottle closed to check to see if the fuel solenoid would open. I then ran with nitrous for few seconds and I got the flashing MIL, so I shut it down. I drove the car around NA and it seem fine so I didn't bother to check the plugs. The next day I started to get really bad misfire during NA WOT so I pulled the plugs. I just got a compression kit today so I hope that cylinder is still good.
Originally Posted by Jime
Didn't do any damage I could see on mine, compression was still ok, but it did scare me a bit. That was the last time I was at the track and only on a 35 shot so I still have to find out why.
I would watch it very closely though, scary sheit.
Not sure of the reason or solution yet.
I would watch it very closely though, scary sheit.
Not sure of the reason or solution yet.
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I did a compression test on all the cylinders tonight.
205 205 205
190 180 190
180 psi is the one that I ran lean on. I don't have any previous result to compare to so I assume I lost 10 psi on cylinder #4.
Any input??
205 205 205
190 180 190
180 psi is the one that I ran lean on. I don't have any previous result to compare to so I assume I lost 10 psi on cylinder #4.
Any input??
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Jim,
What were your compression test result from that incident?
What were your compression test result from that incident?
Originally Posted by Jime
Didn't do any damage I could see on mine, compression was still ok, but it did scare me a bit. That was the last time I was at the track and only on a 35 shot so I still have to find out why.
I would watch it very closely though, scary sheit.
Not sure of the reason or solution yet.
I would watch it very closely though, scary sheit.
Not sure of the reason or solution yet.
Originally Posted by 1MAX2NV
Jim,
What were your compression test result from that incident?
What were your compression test result from that incident?
After 2 years of messing around I believe that anything over 100 is pushing the envelope. Oh it will take it for a while but its only a matter of time until you toast it. Its nice to try a 125-150 occasionally if you think you can set a best time but not for regular use.
3.5L can probably handle a bit larger but you are still on the edge, especially if the setup isn't 100% all the time.
Originally Posted by 1MAX2NV
Jime,
What's the possibility that I have cause damage to that cylinder? My EGT didn't go above 1400F. What kind of damage could I have caused? Holes in the piston and melted the valves? Was your motor okay after the incident?
What's the possibility that I have cause damage to that cylinder? My EGT didn't go above 1400F. What kind of damage could I have caused? Holes in the piston and melted the valves? Was your motor okay after the incident?
Preignition won't cause your EGT to rise b/c it's not properly combusting. The extra heat is being absorbed by your pistons, rings, plugs...etc, and usually will not show up as a high EGT spike...
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