inquiring minds want to know

 

yeah he lied so what. its a simple disclaimer or something he put in there because he wanted to. what ever it may be any body can tell its a freeway he usually races on.

but no i think this thread goes beyond the fact that there is a video with hlh racing on the street with the same diclaimer or phrase about owner ship of the street on all the videos he puts out.

this is just another petty reason for half of maxima.org to hop on the boat and flame hal for. cause seriously no one gives a **** about how bad hals turbo kit turned out to be. except the people it happened to. yes it sucks that the turbo kits didn't come out to be what you expected. hal probably dumped more then $1000 dollars into making the kit just right for his car. custom turbo kits no matter how "bolt on" it is suppose to be usaually turns into a endless money pit. if you want to play you want to play you gotta pay. you guys are not the only turbo imports that get screw cause of someones elses shotty labor. so deal with it or give up. like it or not this is the reality of turbo i seen it happen again and again with many of my friends who decides to go turbo.

 

bigdogjonx, yes, the above statement fits better.

 

IF one is gonna market a turbo kit.it's their responsibility to offer a kit that works. Not charge someone $4500 for something that "might" work and then when it doesn't, leave them out in the cold and with a car that doesn't run right.

If I ran my business in that manner, selling a product that doesn't do what I tell my clients then I look like the idiot. I can tell you the product I sell does what it is supposed to be, that is why we are #1 in what we do, case closed. Part of bringing something to market is doing the R&D and that is the part of the owner to do, not the buyer.

 

yeah in a perfect world this would be the case.

but its not a perfect world and in the automobile aftermarket world this is deffinitley not the case.

hell its hard enough trying to get "most" not all performance parts companies to warranty there products.

example is stillen. what do you have to do to get them to warranty there products.

**** happens. like i said it happens to alot of my friends and basically you cannot do **** about it but ***** and complain but to a certain point it just gets old. and you end up doing one of two things. give up or fix the problem yourself or find someone to fix it for you.

 

I think if you put out a kit, it should fit reasonable well and be reasonably well built. Nothing fits perfect but there is a line between a kit needed minor adjustments and gross negligence on the seller's part. I don't think BigDog expected something perfect. But he probably wouldn't have bought the kit if he knew it was gonna be so poorly designed/put together. If he knew this was gonna happen, he probably would have just built the kit from scratch. He practically did anyway.

 

i agree jeff but like i have said above.

no its not right but often times its the reality of the situation. add to the fact that maxima turbo kits are still in development by different people.

yes as for right now building a kit from scratch would be the best alternative. and making sure your there to watch how progress goes on your car will help a lot also.

 

You need to get your stories straight. Many people definately know one side of the story, as it is honestly not worth my time to try and battle every little comment posted everywhere. I mean it is bashing on the internet, you have to pick your battles I guess. It's even humorous for me to hear people who have no idea or close to the situations previously at hand to jump on

But, one thing I will comment on is I don't leave people out in the cold. If that was the case why exactly was I overnighting turbos on bags kit, sent dixit promised parts once he arrived home, taken call after call after call and email discussing and trying to work through things with those two. I am happy to do anything I could to see that things were worked out, but ultimately it ended up with mzmtg (if memory serves correct) posting pics that bags had not intended for public to see, about issues I was working through with his car and flaming me without bags knowledge, then dixit flaming me, before they ended our contact. I have not spoken to them since, not by my option but because they have made no attempt to contact me - only to make countless stabs on the internet. This post has been by far the most communication I have had with them since their flame posts many months ago. Ask any other customers if I have ever left them out in the cold? rather than asking people who have no clue what they speak of other than what they hear posted.

Now go ahead and carry on and talking behind my back is even better/more noble.


oh and good idea cutlr7 about making a turbo kit that is 100% perfect. I hadn't thought of that, oh why don't you sell it at $1500 too? I'll take 500whp daily driven with no problems also while you're at it. I haven't exactly seen you producing that "perfect" turbo kit yet for any price though, it's easy to stand on the sidelines and say "yeah you should do this.." now isn't it?

 

Regardless, Bags and Dixit got no Monetary restitution. Trust me I don't give a flying **** about the way you do business or what it costs. No one ever asked for a $1500 kit. Please explain why those who bought PFIs kit didn't have these type of major issues.

Ball is in your court, explain yourself to Bags and Dixit. If I want boost I will consult Mardi........

 

Why dont you guys get off Hal's back? At least he is putting forth lots of money to get kits for others, and to further the turbo maxima world. I dont see you guys doing that? Sure I dont know what happened in the past but I see HIS car running fine, so maybe the shop didnt do somethign right. THings happen, I could be driving along and tag a rock that fell off a cliff.

As for his closed course stuff, they do it on MTV's Jackbutt (wont let you say ***), yet a car will drive right on by as it scrolls along.......its just something that needs to be said.

 

Oh, and dont worry Hal, you can have 1000 good kits, its the 2-3 ones that dont work that people remember, just keep pluggin away, most of the people here respect that you have put forth effort to better the turbo max community....you and Nigel are the pioneers of it, and for that we thank you!

 

You are trying to tell me people with PFI kit have never had problems? I know PFI would rather not get drug into this one as they have mentioned it before. But do yourself a favor and do your homework+research before showing off how

And I have nothing to explain to baggs or dixit, did you miss my whole big paragragh? If they need help or to talk they are free to contact me as both have my aol name, email, and even cell phone number - but I have heard nothing from either of them in a long time, other than the random jabs+bashing on maxima.org

And what does your consulting anybody about boost have to do with this? If by "mardi" you mean Matt aka Mardigrasmax, he is a great guy and has some good knowledge, so that is great and I'm happy for you


Jr'sMaxima: your comments are truly appreciated!

 

So it seems like your R&D'ing on Customers Cars, but all the good stuff goes on your car? If I was in Kirk or Dixit's shoes I would be reluctant to contact you aswell, From the obvious lie on the end of your video, to selling bags a used turbo, so far your trust is not a high point. Also some of the welds on Dixits old kit...... I wouldnt even consider those suitable for a prototype that would be torn down 30mins after being constructed, but thats a minor thing right now.

 

You are exactly the type of person I was talking about. For the record my turbo kit has not changed on my car since before I sold any to anyone. I was the prototype etc. not that it matters, I am free to do whatever I please to my car. and oh my gosh still on the line at the end of my videos, you are a riot. I am not wasting my time going into that if your ignorance prevents you from seeing the reason. Also if you knew the story on bags turbo you wouldnt be saying that. And do you want me apologize to you for welds that dont meet your 3rd party looks approval on his kit?

Hey, just like I mentioned to cutlr7, I don't exactly see you bettering the maxima turbo kit market... only complaining about what's available. good work, you are getting things taken care of

 

You amaze me at times with your comments. The way you weasel and decieve people.

Where you get off telling cutlr7 that if we need help we can contact you? Wanna rewind a to like 6months ago when I asked for another fan? What did you say? "I made no money on your kit, I dont have any money to send you a fan....... I dont have the problem overheating....." You flat out didnt want to help there yet you say above you would help? All you told me its probably my fault its overheating even when I explain that it only does this when the car is sitting, once it moves it cools down. Any moron/genius would realize its a fan issue.

Can you explain whats wrong with these pics? Im sure everyone who praises your R&D work on a turbokit should see your VAST work done on my kit.

This is one beautiful way of welding a turn.....This was a cold weld, its was leaking....



Another cold weld, you can actually see the hole there.... Boost leak there....


And the best one of them yet.....Can you explain this weld? Can we say major turbulence in the pipe? Have you even read Maximum Boost by Corky Bell? Read the section where it talks about bumps inside a pipe. This aint a bump, this is a WALL when the air moved through it. Can you also see where the holes in this weld are and its leaking as well?


I dare you to respond to this.... Tell me how you helped me on this? Your exact words were "who cares if the welds are not pretty, as long as they are functional....." Since when is a leaky weld functional? Have you even accepting responsibility for this kit?

And to all you that think Im bishing and all that crap and any aftermarket kit come with its share of problems, again look at those pics and the issues behind it, are you still prepared to tell me that Im to blame and since I bought the turbo kit I have to be prepared with these problems and fix them MYSELF with my OWN MONEY? Above pictures are just the tip of the iceburg of problems.... you think Im the only one? Take a look at Kirk's (bags533) car.... it aint no better.

Dixit

 

WOW... Dixit did you see all these welds before you left with the shop with your car??

 

They were covered up under the splash shield. But then again I saw one and the exhaust guy was like, no problem it wont leak... its nice and thick.... Yea nice and think cold welds that fell apart.

Not to mention he hacked up my working perfectly fine stainless steel cattman Ypipe, accept responsibility for that one, but whats odd he hacked it to use the top flange but after looking at the feedpipe a couple weeks ago noticed that he didnt use it.... so WHERE the hell that flange go? Probably just hacked it to use it for someone else's kit.

I have tons of pic on my teardown and rebuild. www.bigdogjonx.com/fullpics/turbo/teardown (sorry it fwds to port 81)

Dixit

 

Really you lying sack of sh*t?

Last I heard from YOU , you found out that the turbo I paid YOU for was used.

That is THE LAST I have heard from you.

BTW I HAVE ALL EMAILS AND PM'S FROM me to YOU and from YOU to me.

Now, be a man and answer that question.

Why have I NOT gotten a NEW turbo?

I paid for a NEW turbo. This one has been rebuilt 2 TIMES and STILL leaks oil.

and don't delete this thread like you did the last one

and JR.. Hal is not a god. He may have been one of the first to turbo his maxima, but he is ALSO one of those people who RIPPED maxima owners off. And I know we need more of these people.

And you may think it is just me and dixit, it's not.

and dixit I'll join in the picture game when I get home..

 

yeah I saw your pics...VAST, VAST improvement over what you had based on the pics you just showed.....

@ the welder saying "it won't leak...its nice and thick"

 

Man stop hating!!! The man has a Nice car, your just too afraid to admit that his car is faster then yours.

O by the way man, Nice Killing the Stuper Stupid V8's that everyone seems to love, Yeah 3.o Love

 

Whao, damn I hope he replaces your stuff, if not SEW on Morall court or something,

 

I don't think sewing anything in court will help...suing is good though

 

Nigel and others are doing that for our community

 

I did my research as I said many times. So please stop saying I didn't. You do seem to keep saying that you gave ample chances for them to contact you. Look at their posts, the truth is self-explanatory. As far as having Matt to consult, I trust a guy who has done this alittle bit longer than you.

But my whole point is that you offered a kit to the public that wasn't what you said it was. You charged individuals alot of money for a faulty product. I have seen a PFI kit, trust me light years ahead of yours. It has strong welds, looks good and works great. I do know that I have heard a very respected turbo shop that saw your work basically say it was very poorly designed. This isn't a rice shop, these are guys that build show set-ups. They said for what the individual spent he didn't get his money worth, it was a shotty job.

In my line of work, when we bring a product offering to the public it has been well-planned and works well, simply put and we guarantee that. The maker of any product has a duty and responsibility to do the proper R&D before they release it so that the "bugs" can be worked out. If you plan on getting any more turbos out to the public, I would follow the lead of other companies and do some more testing and stop making excuses as you have so clearly in these two instances....

These are the ones we know about.......

 

Wow Dixit, it's even better than the first time you showed me those pics. Such artistry as we discussed.

And to those of you defending Hal, a turbo kit ain't rocket science. You get flanges, you get pipes, you cut/weld/bend until it works. And you run lines. You take the time to properly line pipes up, you don't just make two incompatible pipes fit together like you see in the pics. That's just cheap Midas level junk work. Most muffler shops would be embarassed to weld up a Ford Pinto exhaust like that, and yet this shop is supposed to have built a "10 second eclipse". Hal's built what, like 4-5 turbo kits, and every one of them looks like what Dixit is showing here. I've seen Dixit's in person, I've seen Kirks in person. I've seen pics of hksfrosty's and it's just as bad. It would not have cost Hal any more money to have the pipes welded properly, it wouldn't have cost him any more to properly run the piping/lines and so on. He didn't do these welds himself, no. But he picked the two shops that did this kind of work so it's on him. Hell, the way those pipes are welded together, why even use mandrel bends? Might as well have had the shop just crush bend everything, probably would have been cleaner and flowed better.

How can you not learn from the first time that this isn't right? I've built exactly one turbo kit for a Maxima, mostly in my garage. For thebigsadler's car, and I'd welcome anyone to look at any part of the kit. Not a weld on his car looks like anything Dixit is showing, no boost leaks, no overheating, nothing. The downpipe isn't permanently welded to the cat and entire exhaust as it is on Dixit's kit (sheer genius by the way). And the pipes are powdercoated and ceramic coated, not raw rusty steel. Even the ones underneath the car are all ceramic or powdercoated. Thing is, the whole thing was done for less than the cost of one of Hal's kits. I said it before, and I'll say it again. It doesn't cost any more to do the work properly than it does to half *** the job. A crappy weld costs just as much as a good one. A proper AN oil feed line only costs marginally more than a freaking solid brake line. And so on. Hal could have paid $10K to have this kit built and it still would not have been right to turn it over to Dixit like it was because it wasn't remotely what he was promised. Not making any money isn't the issue, that's just bad business on Hal's side, it has nothing to do with Dixit or Kirk. If I promise a good turbo kit to someone, and then one of my suppliers or subcontracters screws up the work, then it is up to me to fix it. I can't just say, well I made no money on it, so it's now your fault.

And PFI's kits did have some problems from the beginning, but at least they've attempted to fix them and the kits are improving. All of Hal's kits are the same, the same mistakes are made on every car.

End of rant. I am biased in this case because I know Dixit, and I've seen the work up close. Maybe Hal has his reasons for the workmanship on the two kits, but I can't fathom any. My friend runs a shop here that specializes in turbos and so on, and he just recoils in horror when I try to explain to him the things done to Dixit's car. He's amazed it ran for as long as it did.

 

THANK YOU, Slammed95. Hal was just kidding, a sense of freaking humor people. He knows damn well he was street racing, and was just f'ing around with the disclaimer. And he is not a company, just a kid trying to hook up the maxima community. I won't get into his issue with Bags, and Dixit, becuase that is PERSONAL, and none of my or anyone elses business. I know hes not a bad guy, he hooked me up with my clutch *at cost*. I'm sure I would get along great with him if I ever met him in person.

 

Who the f.u.c.k are you and why are you even speaking? I am sorry if we must 'hate' on someone that could run into us on a crowded highway one day. How do you like that kiil you dumbsh!t?

 

slammed95,

what if I sold you a top of the line computer, but I put a Pentium 120mhz in it? What if I sold you a freezer, which got cold, but didnt go below 33*F? What if I sold you a car that "has" 190hp, but it really only has 64hp? What if I sold you a car that has 42,000miles, but it really has 129,000miles?

 

Well tell him to stop marketing a product if he can't produce anything that is of any quality... $4500 is alot of money to alot of us....

Nice business practices and PFI takes care of customers....

Good you have a friend killed by street ricer racing. Racing is for the track not street. I know plenty of people who have boosted cars and they don't act immature and ignorant and street race....

We are talking 300-450hp cars, not maximas with just intakes.... Please get a clue...

 

slammed95

While your correct, HAL stepped to the plate, so let HIM deal with it




REALLY? If you look at the OTHER threads on this subject a few OTHER people do care. Ok so he and ROADBEAST are the same then... with your logic... then roadbeast did nothing wrong



Ok, your right, I'll let the SIZE of the welds go.. but what about LEAKING welds? Not 1 year later.. 4 months later.

What about being sold a USED part when it should have been NEW?

If your tired of reading about it, then don't read the thread.

And HAL still waiting

 

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=206034

 

I don't agree with this statement. Look at Cheston's turbo kit then say, "You gotta pay to play." I'm sure Cheston is well over the $15000 mark with his Z and his work isn't shotty at all.

 

Did you bring back a deleted thread for that?

 

I didnt bring it back.

 

Interesting that someone did though.

 

Glitch in the Matrix?

 

Agents are coming..

 

Im just glad to see the thread come back because by Hal deleting it, it only shows how he again is trying to weasel out of the facts of the problems a few of us have had with his kits yet he continues to express how he has been 100% willing to help yet me or bags533 has yet to see any of it.

All he does in the meantime is run his car and all these people believe he put major R&D work into it when he didnt. If he did, why is EVERY kit he ever did different in design from top to bottom, left to right. Look at ANYONEs kit he did including his, tell me if even remotely any of the IC piping or feedpiping or exhaust piping or wastegate placement or BOV placement is the same? Seems more like he's been doing R&D work on every car he got to see which one setup works out the best when it seems that every single one of them have had its share of problems.

Like I said, yes I accept the fact that aftermarket kits have issues, but for you all that keep telling me to keep my mouth shut because of some crappy welds and stuff dont know you *** from your mouth then. Do you fail to see the issues in those pictures? Do you not know what a leaking weld is? Do you know what its like to have your O2 sensor plug melted because someone cut a corner and had it dangling infront of the exhaust manifold? Dont tell me that any of these issues are issues that other kits have cause these are issues caused by poor workmanship/cutting corners/stupidity. There is no excuse for that. Not to mention I PAID for the install, not just the kit. So think before yall get all defensive. Better yet, since yall are so defensive about it, I still have all those pipes, how bout I sell you the pipes that will litterally be a bolt on turbokit for lets say $2000 since Im going to be nice. You ready to pay for that? Or is that still too much money? Or are you thinking you dont want to buy those pipes in the pictures above? If not why so? Are the pipes not good enough for you now?

Sorry if I come off as an azz but sometimes people who talk without thinking just cause they want to defend a friend because just that, hes a friend and dont know WHAT the issue or the fact that its clearly a fault of workmanship and product kinda ****es me off. Especially when I paid $4000 for this kit, and to date now with RECEIPTS Im probably well over with everything I have for this turbokit to make it work is pushing $8000-9000. I didnt pay for two turbo kits, I paid for one, yet I spent the money for two. Is that fair?

Dixit

 

I brought the thread back... so no need to point fingers and anyone else.

Since monetary transactions were involved and there are dissatisfied customers, I believe they should have the right to express their opinions and concerns. Deleting the thread and trying to wash one's hands clean will not work in this case.

 

exactly...every single person in this post knows they wouldn't just "take it in stride" and not complain if they were sold the crap that Dixit just posted. those welds are horrible. I don't care if its a custom kit or not....real production pieces or anything sold as a "kit" SHOULDN'T look like that garbage, plain and simple...you pay $4k you get $4k worth of QUALITY, SERVICE and RELIABILITY...those pics Dixit posted look like backyard crackhead ARC welds...when you sell an item(ESPECIALLY on a public forum) you have to make sure ALL bases are covered(and obviously the welding side was far from) cause you will get feedback from the buyer who has every right to voice their displeasure.