I'm curious as to what MOST made you decide to get your type of boost.

First - What made you decide to get a SC/Turbo?

Second - What made you decide on WHICH SC/turbo?

Third - What amount of HP did you want to satisfied with?

And, like a few people have done, goin from SC to turbo....what made you do that and would you go BACK to your 1st form?


Reason I ask is, boostin my max may be in the near future...and since there is a LOT of time, money and skill involved, I dont want to make a bad decision on anything. Lots of people learn from their mistakes and I know some people regret gettin boosted. Tell me your info

 

get a muscle car

 

I was afraid this was going to happen...

 

Get out of my thread snake humper!

 

Let's either keep this ON topic or take it to OT

 

yea yea! soooooo whos first

 

First- Boost was one of the best things besides happy gas.
Second- S/C cuz it had a smoother aceleration in the RPM band, learned from my other car that turbo can break stuff, i.e. axles, FWD is not a cool w/ turbo.
Third- anything over 400WHP but I can be realistic
I would keep my set up if i had a second chance....I can turbocharge other things.

 

I agree with this!!! I was going to buy jay's supercharger and do a
5 Speed swap but still not be satisfied with a 13sec car. So I bought
something worth easier to make quicker!

 

yea, but a GT -- people will EXPECT it to be fast. 4dr grocery getter running 12s and 13s.............

Just like people were saying in the "SC or Evo" thread

 

Bijan,
Some people aren't trying to impress anybody by having a 12 second 4dr grocery getter. To be honest with you, I'm SERIOUSLY considering buying an SRT-4 or WRX as my next car. An SRT-4 IS a 13 second car stock and will have a better aftermarket than the Max...I don't see the point of making a low 15 second car into something it wasn't made to be (12 second car) when you can just buy a fast car that will be more reliable and has a better aftermarket too.


I'm still going to try to get 200 WHP out of my Max and low 14's on street tires though.....

 

im not trying to burst your bubble, but the SRT-4 and WRX are small cars with small engines....but with turbos. I don't see how adding a SC/TC to our cars is any different really. The SRT is a Neon with a TC....woop di do. it came from the factory like that yes, but its not like it's not a real sports car, although it handles well.

 

I wouldnt get a SRT-4 period. Fugly as hell, and it's a Dodge.


Bruce, c'mon now, get 250hp and mid 13s on street tires!

 

The SRT-4 isn't just some neon with a Turbo slapped on it. It has a different engine (PT cruiser GT engine pushing a massive amount of boost) and the V6 Stratus transmission in it. I hope my insurance company has the same opinion as you about the SRT-4 not being a sports car.
So I think buying an SRT-4 or WRX is much different than boosting a Maxima. I'm not saying that the Max can't handle boost I'm just saying that Subaru and Dodge guarantee that their cars can.

oh don't worry about bursting my bubble, my girlfriend does that all the time....

 

First answer, I wanted to have more power to match the suspension mods. Also, StephenMax could help locally install Craig Macks kit.

SC was a proven route and would give good gains (with potential to build upon with MEIV, ECU, etc.) for daily commutes.

 

The reason I got a blower was because there were no turbo kits I would still get a S/C kit again because, despite the plastic stillen pulleys and occasional issues with Vortech rebuilds down the road, the SC kits are still more reliable than the turbo kits (at least from the last glance I've taken at them).

Either route is demanding on time and the wallet, but the SC's are just less BS.

 

I have yet to see one around here run low 13s especially 12s.
But Its is different and I understand what you are saying. But 12s Is still
Slow to me considering I had a Low 11sec Blown Stang.

P.S. What I hear some of the boosted 4 door cars especially A certain Peson
All Rustangs are extremely Slow!

 

Most Blown Maxima 5spd's with some bolts on and exhaust will run low 13's Easy...Requin with 370's, ECU, V1, VI, ran a 12.9..not bad..

-matt

 

I never said they not capable of that. I said I have yet to see a local one
Run those times.

 

i dont want to turn this into another s/c vs. t/c thread again but people say that the s/c is a lot more relible than the s/c. My brother has a s/ced maxima, and the only problem it has ever relly had was the plastic pulley situation and shreaded belts. My question is what part of the turbo kit is unreliable? I mean the only thing extra a t/c kit has over the s/c kit is a wastegate and intercooler, right? So what makes them so unreliable as people say they are?

 

I thinnk but dont quote me...
The trubo setup builds up boost very fast between lets say 3000+3500 your going from very minimal boost to FULL boost...on a s/c setup you build boost up through the RPM range which is ALOT less hard on the car

-matt

 

I understand that, thats pretty much why the t/c is so much faster. But at 8-10 psi the motor is definitly strong enough, i think the tranny is the weak link, so how much can the tranny reasonably take? also i mean some s/c people running the 2.87 get around 5ish psi around 4k so its not to far off, right?

 

I think the tranny can take more than people give it credit for...at 4K I think a S/C setup with 2.87 pulley will produce more then 5psi...

 

so then would't it be close to as rough on the car as a turbocharger is ?

 

no because the s/c builds up power and the turbo is a shot of power, correct ??

 

Well, like you said the turbo will start spooling around 3k and full boost (8-10psi) by around 4k and you carry that 9 or so psi to redline which in turn makes the turbo faster. The s/c will build boost as you move through the rpm range, but if your running a 2.87 and making around 6 or so psi at 4k and 13psi at redline i think it could be just as hard on the car. Making boost earlier as a smaller pulley and a turbo do is just more torque, and that is pretty much is the strain on the car. Also with the s/c being belt driven it has to make up the lost horsepower from having to drive it, where as the turbo doesn't take any power really to run. I agree with you that the t/c would be harder on the car since it spools quicker, but what i want to figure out is how much harder. i mean is it extremely rougher on the car or just slightly. Also with the t/c if you have a boost controller you can choose the amount of boost you want to run, so while normal driving you could have it set lower to reduce strain on the car.

 

yall please keep this on topic.......stop whorin my thread w/

 

in my opinion this is not whorin your thread at all, in fact it should help you decide between a turbo or a supercharger and spend your money wisely. in Fact im having the same decision to make as well. My brother has a s/c runnin 9psi, but i could only imagine 9psi at 4k instead of redline!

 

on a Max?.....

 

yeah, on a 1999

 

true... keep on discussing guys... but I think for daily drivability you want the S/C, just because you dont "NEED" to spool up to 3-4k to get some power (t3/t4), since the daily commute consists of a lot of driving below 3k rpm. But if you wanted all out power, the turbo will beat the S/C anyday, with the loads of torque right when it hits full boost in the mid rpm range, whereas the S/C hits full torque at near redline.
Torque is what kills the trannys, not as much hp, so the t/C with its torque surge, its going to be much harder on the tranny.
Unless you have a lot of money to waste... I would just go with the S/C, or a car that was designed to go very fast. Otherwise, you will most likely break a lot of parts and spend more money trying to get to levels of speed some pony cars have stock

 

i understand that with the earlier and faster spool of the turbo is rougher on the engine and tranny, but how much harder. I mean if its harder but the tranny can still take it its not to much of a problem.

 

Its like a heavy whipplash if you step on it. turbo is pretty abrupt when boost kicks. sink your **** in the seat. The reason why turbo is unreliable in my experience is that when you have a N/A motor, it is not good for the internals. T/C motors have valves, springs, retainers and other misc partsto support the boost. other thing is that the turbo has way more components to trouble shoot and basically you have to baby it. although the T/C is way more fun then the S/C, you don't have to worry about over heating, exhust leaks, and bogging out occasionally due to tuning( ratio with fuel )

 

Wow...misinformation for DAYS...

 

What more components does a turbo kit have that a s/c doesn't besides a wastegate and the optional boost controller. All of the other components besides the turbo itself the s/c has or can, such as the intercooler and all of the other piping.

 

yea but it has a boat load more of exhaust piping and the thing he was explaining if its not made right, it can leak...and thats not fun...also with the S/C kit you dont have to worry about over heating at all...the s/c stays the same temp as the engine

-matt

 

Its not really too much more exhaust piping, it has a reverse y-pipe then the down pipe coming out of the turbo then to the rest of the exhaust. And what do you mean the s/c stays the same temp as the engine, by compressing air it becomes hotter. I realize the turbowould be hotter itself because the exhaust gasses flowing through it, but once the intake air goes through the intercooler it is cool enough.

 

The S/C get Oil from the engine, hense about the same temp as the engine

-matt

 

the turbo also gets oil from the engine in the same way as the s/c

 

For me it comes down to the reliability of each and the end speed. i mean look at requin6 ran a 12.9 on street tires with ecu, injectors, clutch, VI, and the 3.125, and a stock cat-back. With the style of power of the s/c the 1/4 mile is not its strong point, so a 12.9 would be amazing. But how fats would the turbo be? I mean a high 12 low 13 is enough for me in a fwd 4 door sedan.

 

I'm not boosted yet, but I have almost $1500 set aside for it. I don't want to go the credit card route...when I have enough to buy, I will! I want the boost because I want a car that is FAST, yet UNEXPECTED. I want the SC setup and my goal is to get over 300 WHP. Sure, for cheaper money I can get a muscle car and make it go fast, or an SRT-4, WRX etc...but that's not what does it for me. a mid 13 sec. car is fine. As much fun as they are, I would hate not having all the other things the Maxima is better at. I want something that is fast and fun, but has the luxury of the leather, BOSE, refinement, and smoothness. There is no muscle car, or Neon that can even come close to that, especially the interior luxury. The cars offering all of this are expensive because you have to jump to a high end car. The GTI/R32 is the only other car that has all of the criteria, but I like the Maxima's reliability better, and it's more unique to have a boosted Max.

If I really wanted to go fast, I would get a 1995 M3 and turbocharge that. I've seen some videos, and they are insanely fast. I have a video of a SC E36 M# catching and passing a 911 Turbo!