Any thoughts on the Greddy emanage ultimate ?
It has a few built-in types of WB02s, however it can be customized for any that have a linear output.
Originally Posted by JeEvE
I was reading the description and it says "when used with a wideband A/F Meter, the Air Fuel Target Map can self-tune an Injector base tuning Map, to speed up initial tuning". Which wideband would I be able to use with this? I was thinking about going with the Zetronics but if I cant use it Greddy Emanage Ultimate, then I will find something else.
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Hate to jump in on something in the middle, but found the forum searching around the net for more Ultimate info. Anyway ... you can read our trials and info here: http://www.transonicracinginnovation...opic.php?t=217
if anybody is around the Omaha Ne area, drop me a line maybe we can try one of these out in a maxima.
if anybody is around the Omaha Ne area, drop me a line maybe we can try one of these out in a maxima.
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oh the IS was a breeze compared to some of the applications out there. the mazdaspeed protege has been our biggest problem child for this thing. Cam/crank angle hook up makes the car run like crap and throws a code. There is no option for the airflow meter that the car uses. Talking w/ GReddy tech support on when they may add some of the US Spec cars to the list is pointless. Next on our list for it is a 3000GT, and an OBDII Turbo automatic honda. Like i said we have given substantial price breaks to people w/ cars we havn't tried yet, just for the fact that it takes a while longer to install and set up. That way we can offer our own tech support when we sell them over the net.
im debting on if i should get this rather then an ecu. Seems to do all the same thing as a JWT but better. but i didnt see there was a positive answer on the rev limiter on the vq30's. Anyone know if it is a defient yes?
Alright, I'm sick of this being up in the air. I will be willing to get this right after I get some time to install my injectors, but I will need some help with the updated wiring (I saw Hal's original write-up on mohd) and help with the base tune (i do have a wb02 already wired in).
Alex-hit me up on aim, I have some questions for you.
Steve
Alex-hit me up on aim, I have some questions for you.
Steve
Awesome...if I had the funds right now, I'd be the guinea pig, but right now I've already bit off more then I can chew with the N20 crap. Add the UE ~$600 plus the R500 ~$600 w/EGT and it's not happening anytime soon.
Anyways, I'm still stuck in the 90's(early??), so I don't have AIM.
Just email me and it will be a piece of cake to get it setup working off the tach or coil signal for RPM as far as ECU pinouts, initial config, and filling in the maps. However, since we can't use the more accurate crank/cam signal, we'll be limited on some features like timing advance(no biggie for FI, since you retard) and probably rev-limiter, but I wouldn't forget about the UE because of this.
My advice is to check eBay for the cheapest price on the UE around $510 or so IIRC.
Anyways, I'm still stuck in the 90's(early??), so I don't have AIM.
Just email me and it will be a piece of cake to get it setup working off the tach or coil signal for RPM as far as ECU pinouts, initial config, and filling in the maps. However, since we can't use the more accurate crank/cam signal, we'll be limited on some features like timing advance(no biggie for FI, since you retard) and probably rev-limiter, but I wouldn't forget about the UE because of this.
My advice is to check eBay for the cheapest price on the UE around $510 or so IIRC.
Originally Posted by slimer
Alright, I'm sick of this being up in the air. I will be willing to get this right after I get some time to install my injectors, but I will need some help with the updated wiring (I saw Hal's original write-up on mohd) and help with the base tune (i do have a wb02 already wired in).
Alex-hit me up on aim, I have some questions for you.
Steve
Alex-hit me up on aim, I have some questions for you.
Steve
i saw some for 490 + 17 shipping. harness is 85 iirc
btw, since I already have a safc, i would use the tach signal for rpm output.
would i be able to adjust the fuel cut though?
that is what is makes the rev limiter isn't it?
btw, since I already have a safc, i would use the tach signal for rpm output.
would i be able to adjust the fuel cut though?
that is what is makes the rev limiter isn't it?
Yes, I believe so. Basically, you log the injector duration right before the rev-limit, then you just enter similar values just before the stock limit and beyond that to your desired limit. Looking at the software, the load axis is either MAF, Pressure sensor, or Charge Efficiency(?) and you also need TPS.
My concern/question is does the stock ECU throw a code or eventually ignition cut once you exceed the stock limiter for a certain amount of time. The wiring diagram shows you just tap the crank/cam signal vs. cut/intercept, so you're not "fooling" the ECU into thinking you're just continuously spinning 6400rpm, while the UE adds the necessary fuel/timing. In other words, the ECU will see what is happening and I just don't know how the stock ECU will react or if it will be clueless. My engine software background causes me to be pessimistic about overspeed conditions, however it's all dependent on Nissans' software logic. Hopefully, the ECU just drops injector pulse width to zero and the UE can carry on as long as necessary.
My concern/question is does the stock ECU throw a code or eventually ignition cut once you exceed the stock limiter for a certain amount of time. The wiring diagram shows you just tap the crank/cam signal vs. cut/intercept, so you're not "fooling" the ECU into thinking you're just continuously spinning 6400rpm, while the UE adds the necessary fuel/timing. In other words, the ECU will see what is happening and I just don't know how the stock ECU will react or if it will be clueless. My engine software background causes me to be pessimistic about overspeed conditions, however it's all dependent on Nissans' software logic. Hopefully, the ECU just drops injector pulse width to zero and the UE can carry on as long as necessary.
Originally Posted by slimer
i saw some for 490 + 17 shipping. harness is 85 iirc
btw, since I already have a safc, i would use the tach signal for rpm output.
would i be able to adjust the fuel cut though?
that is what is makes the rev limiter isn't it?
btw, since I already have a safc, i would use the tach signal for rpm output.
would i be able to adjust the fuel cut though?
that is what is makes the rev limiter isn't it?
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
My concern/question is does the stock ECU throw a code or eventually ignition cut once you exceed the stock limiter for a certain amount of time. The wiring diagram shows you just tap the crank/cam signal vs. cut/intercept, so you're not "fooling" the ECU into thinking you're just continuously spinning 6400rpm, while the UE adds the necessary fuel/timing. In other words, the ECU will see what is happening and I just don't know how the stock ECU will react or if it will be clueless. My engine software background causes me to be pessimistic about overspeed conditions, however it's all dependent on Nissans' software logic. Hopefully, the ECU just drops injector pulse width to zero and the UE can carry on as long as necessary.
Well at least on 5th gens, if something serious enough happens, for example MAF failure, you go into limp mode, ie can't rev past 2500rpm and runs like a dog.
Sharif@my350Z.com has:
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.p...5&goto=newpost
Lots of others applications are running it here on the yahoo group:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/E-manage_Ultimate/
Sharif@my350Z.com has:
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.p...5&goto=newpost
Lots of others applications are running it here on the yahoo group:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/E-manage_Ultimate/
i want to be the guinea pig and have funds and need to at least learn how to tune before i consider going boosted. I just need someone who knows what they are doing and is willing to help out a noob.
Originally Posted by blazingchimp
i want to be the guinea pig and have funds and need to at least learn how to tune before i consider going boosted. I just need someone who knows what they are doing and is willing to help out a noob.
That's a valid/serious concern.
The biggest risk being a guinea pig is always downtime IMHO, however once wired as long as your FMU is still installed or you stay out of boost, it should still be driveable.
Autotuning the fuel map with your WB02 should seriously speed up the process of running without the FMU.
The biggest risk being a guinea pig is always downtime IMHO, however once wired as long as your FMU is still installed or you stay out of boost, it should still be driveable.
Autotuning the fuel map with your WB02 should seriously speed up the process of running without the FMU.
Originally Posted by slimer
i just started a new job 20 miles away and this is my daily driver.
thats all.
thats all.
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
That's a valid/serious concern.
The biggest risk being a guinea pig is always downtime IMHO, however once wired as long as your FMU is still installed or you stay out of boost, it should still be driveable.
Autotuning the fuel map with your WB02 should seriously speed up the process of running without the FMU.
The biggest risk being a guinea pig is always downtime IMHO, however once wired as long as your FMU is still installed or you stay out of boost, it should still be driveable.
Autotuning the fuel map with your WB02 should seriously speed up the process of running without the FMU.
I'd have to say it all depends on your comfort with wiring. Proper wiring takes time, but is crucial.
I don't see why you couldn't wire the UE on a Saturday and if you can't get it working/driveable, just unwire it on Sunday and be back to 'normal' for work on Monday.
ASSuming you don't go crazy and burn something up that is.
I don't see why you couldn't wire the UE on a Saturday and if you can't get it working/driveable, just unwire it on Sunday and be back to 'normal' for work on Monday.
ASSuming you don't go crazy and burn something up that is.
i will only be working tues/wed/sat/sun, so a thurs/fri install time is more likely.
I have no problem with wiring. I did the safc in about 30 minutes, completely soldered. I did the manumatic in less that 2 hours with led installation. The zeitronix would have been done sooner, but the cables that I was using weren't recognizing the signal output.
so it how many wires would it be for the emanage? 18/14/12 pin harnesses?
What about the wideband signal? Would I have to get an extra pressure sensor harness?
If possible, I would like to have everything in hand before I start the process.
This all depends on how fast I get those injectors in. Juggling two full time jobs for another two weeks + school makes time a precious thing.
I have no problem with wiring. I did the safc in about 30 minutes, completely soldered. I did the manumatic in less that 2 hours with led installation. The zeitronix would have been done sooner, but the cables that I was using weren't recognizing the signal output.
so it how many wires would it be for the emanage? 18/14/12 pin harnesses?
What about the wideband signal? Would I have to get an extra pressure sensor harness?
If possible, I would like to have everything in hand before I start the process.
This all depends on how fast I get those injectors in. Juggling two full time jobs for another two weeks + school makes time a precious thing.
Go through the install manual off mohdparts website and highlight all the pins you need. I haven't done that or know all the features you'll need, but I'd say quite a few wires.
Put together a list and I'll go through the FSM to tell you what pins are which and maybe even the colors to help out.
Yes, you'll need an old Blue to e01 pressure harness($20) for the WB02 input.
Put together a list and I'll go through the FSM to tell you what pins are which and maybe even the colors to help out.Yes, you'll need an old Blue to e01 pressure harness($20) for the WB02 input.
That just intercepted the speed sensor, ie mph, not the engine speed.
Same thing happens to Bens' speed limiter mod, ie cut the speed sensor signal to the ECU, so it doesn't fuel cut.
17" wheel cars don't have a limiter at least 5spds don't, so that's not an issue. Others that do, can easily use the UE analog output or the boost clamp to fix that, ie lie to the ECU about how fast you're going.
Same thing happens to Bens' speed limiter mod, ie cut the speed sensor signal to the ECU, so it doesn't fuel cut.
17" wheel cars don't have a limiter at least 5spds don't, so that's not an issue. Others that do, can easily use the UE analog output or the boost clamp to fix that, ie lie to the ECU about how fast you're going.
Originally Posted by mingo
i heard something about the apex'i rev speed limiter throwing codes in our cars.. if the signal isn't intercepted, i think it'll throw a code no matter what.. it's just a guess.
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guys alot of the questions you've had, have been shown on my site as i go through the features w/ it in my own car. If you want to try it on a maxima, and order it through me, i would be more than happy to help w/ tech support as much as i can, i will still help no matter where you order it, but obvisouly my own customers get priority. http://www.transonicracinginnovation...t=217&start=15 page two shows the raised rev limit maps, and explains a little of how they work, page three goes in to the auto tune more, and show my roughed in street map VS what the emanage did off of my LM1 in a matter of a couple pulls. Simply amazing how quick this thing dials in everything! A word of caution though ... if you are looking for a 12.0:1 air fuel, i would set the auto tune to a safer 11.5 and maybe even 11.0 higher up, and fine tune the map still on a dyno. I set mine for 12.5 (all motor set up) and saw the engine go leaner in a couple spots while it was tuning. I wasn't nervous about it since it was still w/ in a safe range, but probabbly wouldn't have wanted to see that happen under a few lbs of boost.
as far as the software, as long as the airflow meter, and cam/crank angle match the boosted application you will be fine. My IS ended up using a 2JZGTE(vvti) setting and then changing the ignition from 6 coils to a 3 coil wasted spark setting.
as far as the software, as long as the airflow meter, and cam/crank angle match the boosted application you will be fine. My IS ended up using a 2JZGTE(vvti) setting and then changing the ignition from 6 coils to a 3 coil wasted spark setting.
hey can you email me at slimermax1@gmail.com?
I have a couple of questions regarding your tech support.
I have a couple of questions regarding your tech support.
You need to join the Ultimate Emanage yahoo group, if not already:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/E-manage_Ultimate/
Can you explain why your LIMIT duty cycle is so low compared to your HOLD duty cycle in the Rev Limiter Cut Setting map? Looking at your log, your output injector duty cycle falls off a cliff(~106s and ~111s) while you input injector duty cycle looks 'normal'. That doesn't seem like what you'd want to happen.
Is that right?
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/E-manage_Ultimate/
Can you explain why your LIMIT duty cycle is so low compared to your HOLD duty cycle in the Rev Limiter Cut Setting map? Looking at your log, your output injector duty cycle falls off a cliff(~106s and ~111s) while you input injector duty cycle looks 'normal'. That doesn't seem like what you'd want to happen.
Is that right?
Originally Posted by fstrnldr
guys alot of the questions you've had, have been shown on my site as i go through the features w/ it in my own car. If you want to try it on a maxima, and order it through me, i would be more than happy to help w/ tech support as much as i can, i will still help no matter where you order it, but obvisouly my own customers get priority. http://www.transonicracinginnovation...t=217&start=15 page two shows the raised rev limit maps, and explains a little of how they work, page three goes in to the auto tune more, and show my roughed in street map VS what the emanage did off of my LM1 in a matter of a couple pulls. Simply amazing how quick this thing dials in everything! A word of caution though ... if you are looking for a 12.0:1 air fuel, i would set the auto tune to a safer 11.5 and maybe even 11.0 higher up, and fine tune the map still on a dyno. I set mine for 12.5 (all motor set up) and saw the engine go leaner in a couple spots while it was tuning. I wasn't nervous about it since it was still w/ in a safe range, but probabbly wouldn't have wanted to see that happen under a few lbs of boost.
as far as the software, as long as the airflow meter, and cam/crank angle match the boosted application you will be fine. My IS ended up using a 2JZGTE(vvti) setting and then changing the ignition from 6 coils to a 3 coil wasted spark setting.
as far as the software, as long as the airflow meter, and cam/crank angle match the boosted application you will be fine. My IS ended up using a 2JZGTE(vvti) setting and then changing the ignition from 6 coils to a 3 coil wasted spark setting.
i joined last nite.
and thinking about it, why wouldn't i use the det setting?
I will have the z32 maf and 400cc injectors, which comes on that car stock. would the coil packs be different?
Alex-I will start figuring out the 4th gen fsm pinout based on hal's original work.
I need to figure out which ignition goes to which coil though.
Steve
and thinking about it, why wouldn't i use the det setting?
I will have the z32 maf and 400cc injectors, which comes on that car stock. would the coil packs be different?
Alex-I will start figuring out the 4th gen fsm pinout based on hal's original work.
I need to figure out which ignition goes to which coil though.
Steve
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Thats something that started after the rev limit raise, i have changed my settings since last night again to help, but don't have it perfect yet. I'm not sure if its happening because of the settings, or because i am shifting right around that point. I made some more changes today, and haven't datalogged since. Hopefully its not some sort of reaction from the car for trying to raise the rev limit. Doesn't seem like it would be able to affect that though. For sure something i am looking in to on it since the car is getting lean because of that. this is of course why i try these things out on my own cars first! finally some good feedback!
If I understand correctly, the LIMIT values should be at least equal to the HOLD values. Depending on your engines VE curve, you'll probably want to set the LIMIT > HOLD values and use your AFR logging to fine tune the injector map beyond the stock rev-limiter.
That would definitely explain why you'd be going lean after the stock limiter was passed.
That would definitely explain why you'd be going lean after the stock limiter was passed.
Originally Posted by fstrnldr
Thats something that started after the rev limit raise, i have changed my settings since last night again to help, but don't have it perfect yet. I'm not sure if its happening because of the settings, or because i am shifting right around that point. I made some more changes today, and haven't datalogged since. Hopefully its not some sort of reaction from the car for trying to raise the rev limit. Doesn't seem like it would be able to affect that though. For sure something i am looking in to on it since the car is getting lean because of that. this is of course why i try these things out on my own cars first! finally some good feedback!
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actaully i just pulled up my last pull from last night, and the self tune did correct for that... 
gotta love it when the computer can monitor and react to these things! that log on the transonic site was just random from the middle of what i logged last night.
gotta love it when the computer can monitor and react to these things! that log on the transonic site was just random from the middle of what i logged last night.
Here's some more of my questions
Originally Posted by steve's email to fstrnldr
Well, I am an e-manage newbie and am interested in what sort of tech
support you would offer. I may need a little help in decoding the
wiring to the ecu, especially with the ignition. If you would like
for me to get you the FSM, I have it in pdf format, its a big file
though, even when compressed.
If I have a problem with the wiring and since you are a couple states
away, how would you be able to help with it?
I'm starting to figure out the software, but I was wondering since the
EU is intercepting the signals, would the ecu "learn" the corrections
and compensate for it for values under 40% throttle like with my
safc-ii?
Also, since my engine is not listed and you had to adjust your
settings to recognize the proper engine, what would you suggest for
the intital set-up for the 4th gen maxima?
How would I wire in my zeitronix wideband, which already comes with a
WB output wire? I know that you need the extra pressure sensor
harness, but what settings with the the software would you need to do
in order for it to recognize the signal correctly?
Since you are selling it for a little more expensive than other places
I have found, my benefit would be the tech support?
I have more questions, but I think that is enough for now. I just
like to do as much research as possible before I install something
because I need my car to get to work.
support you would offer. I may need a little help in decoding the
wiring to the ecu, especially with the ignition. If you would like
for me to get you the FSM, I have it in pdf format, its a big file
though, even when compressed.
If I have a problem with the wiring and since you are a couple states
away, how would you be able to help with it?
I'm starting to figure out the software, but I was wondering since the
EU is intercepting the signals, would the ecu "learn" the corrections
and compensate for it for values under 40% throttle like with my
safc-ii?
Also, since my engine is not listed and you had to adjust your
settings to recognize the proper engine, what would you suggest for
the intital set-up for the 4th gen maxima?
How would I wire in my zeitronix wideband, which already comes with a
WB output wire? I know that you need the extra pressure sensor
harness, but what settings with the the software would you need to do
in order for it to recognize the signal correctly?
Since you are selling it for a little more expensive than other places
I have found, my benefit would be the tech support?
I have more questions, but I think that is enough for now. I just
like to do as much research as possible before I install something
because I need my car to get to work.
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slimer i'll email you back w/ more detail later, but yes we can help in figuring out a lot of things. The only problem would be if we run into wiring problems on the install, obviously i would need a maxima here to at least be able to test some wires on w/ either a multimeter or scope depending on where the problem was. send me whatever info you have, and i will go through it later. didn't realize it was allready so late in the day.
I was talking to the fstrnldr.
You should use the Z32 setting, since you'll be using that MAF.
All that "engine code" setting does is preset a few parameters such as MAF type, ignition signal type, and some others that aren't really crucial.
You should use the Z32 setting, since you'll be using that MAF.
All that "engine code" setting does is preset a few parameters such as MAF type, ignition signal type, and some others that aren't really crucial.
Originally Posted by slimer
i joined last nite.
and thinking about it, why wouldn't i use the det setting?
I will have the z32 maf and 400cc injectors, which comes on that car stock. would the coil packs be different?
Alex-I will start figuring out the 4th gen fsm pinout based on hal's original work.
I need to figure out which ignition goes to which coil though.
Steve
and thinking about it, why wouldn't i use the det setting?
I will have the z32 maf and 400cc injectors, which comes on that car stock. would the coil packs be different?
Alex-I will start figuring out the 4th gen fsm pinout based on hal's original work.
I need to figure out which ignition goes to which coil though.
Steve
Originally Posted by slimer
I may need a little help in decoding the
wiring to the ecu, especially with the ignition. If you would like
for me to get you the FSM, I have it in pdf format, its a big file
though, even when compressed.
wiring to the ecu, especially with the ignition. If you would like
for me to get you the FSM, I have it in pdf format, its a big file
though, even when compressed.
I'm starting to figure out the software, but I was wondering since the EU is intercepting the signals, would the ecu "learn" the corrections and compensate for it for values under 40% throttle like with my
safc-ii?
safc-ii?
Also, since my engine is not listed and you had to adjust your settings to recognize the proper engine, what would you suggest for the intital set-up for the 4th gen maxima?
How would I wire in my zeitronix wideband, which already comes with a
WB output wire? I know that you need the extra pressure sensor
harness, but what settings with the the software would you need to do
in order for it to recognize the signal correctly?
WB output wire? I know that you need the extra pressure sensor
harness, but what settings with the the software would you need to do
in order for it to recognize the signal correctly?
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
That just intercepted the speed sensor, ie mph, not the engine speed.
Same thing happens to Bens' speed limiter mod, ie cut the speed sensor signal to the ECU, so it doesn't fuel cut.
17" wheel cars don't have a limiter at least 5spds don't, so that's not an issue. Others that do, can easily use the UE analog output or the boost clamp to fix that, ie lie to the ECU about how fast you're going.
Same thing happens to Bens' speed limiter mod, ie cut the speed sensor signal to the ECU, so it doesn't fuel cut.
17" wheel cars don't have a limiter at least 5spds don't, so that's not an issue. Others that do, can easily use the UE analog output or the boost clamp to fix that, ie lie to the ECU about how fast you're going.