Supercharged/Turbocharged The increase in air/fuel pressure above atmospheric pressure in the intake system caused by the action of a supercharger or turbocharger attached to an engine.

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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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Yes deatschwerks has them even though they aren't specifically listed on the site. Give them a call on monday or something and ask for Mike. He is a good guy to talk to about this because he used to have a turbo maxima (I30 actually) with a very similar setup to what you're considering.
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
I really think this setup is looking for trouble. FMU tuning is fine but a 12:1 disk is a crapload of fuel pressure with a 6psi reference. Even a 10:1 is pushing it IMHO. Pick up a set of 370s for $180 and have a much safer setup.

The fact that you're skimping on a couple hundred dollars on the single most important aspect of a turbo setup does not bode well.. With a turbo car you may end up spending $1000 solely on stuff that that you forgot to account for, or stuff you end up realizing you need in the middle of your install. Turbocharging on a shoestring budget is not something you want to get into in my opinion. I hope you have another car to use for when your car is not working, because even the most well thought out and perfectly executed setup hits snags - let alone budget setups built by inexperienced individuals.

About the turbo - do what Fred said. Don't use that SSA piece of crap.
I don't disagree with you at all but I don't see any mention of any electronics to control the larger than stock injectors. I've never heard of anyone installing larger injectors without an SAFC (for example) to reduce the pulsewidth when under light load or low RPM.

Have you guys simply installed larger injectors by themselves and ran decent boost safely?

If so then I'd go for that and forget the FMU (probably a good idea to keep the Walbro on the shopping list though) Otherwise your adding the cost of the larger injectors plus the SAFC and it's wiring and tuning into the poster's setup. Maybe a good idea but considerably more expensive and difficult to install/tune then the good 'ol FMU for a little extra safety .

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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 07:26 PM
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I dont think you could just pop new injectors on there without either an fmu or safc could you? Because theres no way for the fuel to "know" to increase pressure as the boost increases, thats what I thought, unless the stock EMU can tell the fuel to increase with more air that rapidly. I'm not planning on getting safc or emanage right away, I just want to get it running. I was thinking the pump, FMU and injectors. But the way you say it makes it sound like I wouldn't need the FMU in that setup? Bllahhh soo confusering
Old Dec 2, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Fred Allen Burge
I don't disagree with you at all but I don't see any mention of any electronics to control the larger than stock injectors. I've never heard of anyone installing larger injectors without an SAFC (for example) to reduce the pulsewidth when under light load or low RPM.

Have you guys simply installed larger injectors by themselves and ran decent boost safely?

If so then I'd go for that and forget the FMU (probably a good idea to keep the Walbro on the shopping list though) Otherwise your adding the cost of the larger injectors plus the SAFC and it's wiring and tuning into the poster's setup. Maybe a good idea but considerably more expensive and difficult to install/tune then the good 'ol FMU for a little extra safety .

Fred
I mentioned in an earlier post the fact that he'd need to get at least emanage blue to go along with larger injectors. He could get an SAFC but imho SAFC is rather pointless at this juncture - Emanage blue is the same price (a bit more once you add in the peripherals) and far more capable - but yes he'd have to pay to get it tuned if he didn't want to do it himself which I didn't account for probably because I'm a DIY minded person and I never considered paying someone to do what I can learn to do myself.

I'm just trying to stress to him that I don't like the idea of super high fuel pressures on stock injectors. not only is it potentially bad for the engine and heightens the likelyhood of injector failure and possibly engine failure, it is potentially physically dangerous as well - higher pressure means higher likelihood of fuel line failure which is a fire risk. JClaw had a fuel line failure a few years ago I recall.

If there is any place to NOT cut corners on an FI setup, it is in the tuning department. The tuning is where the reliability of a setup is realized or conversely where the unreliability of a setup can really come and bite you in the ****.
Old Dec 3, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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alright final- turbo, 370cc injectors, walbro, safc(whats wrong with safc?? there'd be no FMU in this case correct?
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