Whats up fellaz i know many of u guyz know of the VQ30DET motor that comes in the Nissan GLORIA / CEDRIC from japan. MY question is i wanted to know if anyone has herd of or seen anybody that has used this complete motor in a maxima a full swap. Ive seen guyz use just the heads off this motor there are a couple of picks of a black auto 4th gen on HLH's old web site DYNOMAGIC.COM for those of u that didn't know what site i was talking about. I'm not interested in just the heads i want to know about the whole motor going inside of a maxima.
So if there is any one out there that knows of or has any pics of this swap being done please post and let me know .I want to know if this motor will work in a maxima

P.S when i mean a swap i mean heads, bottom, exhaust manifolds, intake manifold. the whole complete motor nothing taken off

 

Yeah i completed the swap in about 2-3 hours it's pretty easy. Should be a piece of cake for one such as yourself.

 

So u ae saying that you did this swap already . do you have any pics . did u run into any problems ect let me know. and what do you mean for one such as my self i dont know if u were trying to be a smart *** or u are saying it is that easy of a swap beacuse ive herd people b4 saying that it cant be done cuz its a rare well drive motor and the gearbox doesnt bolt up and good lucktrying to get thAT big motor into the maxima stuff like that i read in past threads about this motor

 

He was being sarcastic. Searching will reveal the same answer many times. the VQ30DET is a rear wheel drive (RWD) engine and will not mount to our FWD engine mounts. I have been waiting for someone to drop one in an S13 or S14. Might as well tackle the VQ35DE swap.

 

Yea i pretty much figured out he was being a smart azz . i thought i would ask anyway . so you guyz are saying that that swap wont work and there is no one that did it so what else besides it being a RWD motor and that the maxima motor mounts dont line up is the other reasons that this motor wont work in the maxima

 

It can definitely be done, you just need some money. You might as well do a RB26, that would be sick!!!!

 

What people have done is swap out parts from the VQ30 DET to the VQ30DE such as pistons, rings etc.

 

So you are telling that you can use the internals but you can not use the whole motor . why is that?

so why is that because its (RWD) is the only reason that it wont work in a maxiam.

P.S I would like to get some feed back from the big dogs on here the ones that seem to know all the stuff about turbocharging a maxima guyz like , NEALOC the first guy that gave me a smart azz reply, JAY25, TURBO95MAX, and a couple of you othere guyz on here. I see that this thread had 54 views so fare but know one is willing to put in there 2cents all i get is that the motor is a RWD motor there has to be more then that that is makeing this motor not being able to just drop in .
Come on guyz help me out here

 

The only reason is the blocks casting for the engine mounts are completely different then the FWD blocks. I'm not sure but the heads might be usable on your FWD VQ.

You can sell the block to some one on engineswaptech.com or myself tho!

~Alex

 

So you are saying that u cant put this motor in the maxima because blocks are different but you might be able to use the heads but i dont understand they are the same motor just one is turbo and one is n/a

i know there are people useing the heads of this motor i dont care about that i want to know about the whole motor.

Come on some of u big dogs give me some feed back put in your 2 cents dont just look at the thread post talk to me thanks

 

Not trying to nip pick but why so much "so you guys are saying or telling..." that makes it sound like you have doubt that we don't know what we are saying...

Let consolidate what "everyone" has told you so far...
The Vq30det WILL NOT fit into the maxima as a full/complete swap for the following reasons:
1) RWD (rear wheel not rare well (this ain't cooking a steak)) vs FWD, obvious reason if you need more explanation on that I can elaborate...
2) Motor doesn't bolt to eh chasis.. different mounting points...
3) edit for Nismology viewing pleasure...
4) They aren't the same motor, just because engine code is one letter different does not mean it the same motor. DEt is a FI motor (lower comp) built for boost, different piston, heads, maybe even different cams... DE is a NA motor not as boost friendly.
5) Exhaust manifold would def not work again RWD vs FWD
6) Will stock 3.0 trans bolt to the motor?


Things that have been known to work...

1) Internals (ie pistons, rings and rods (maybe)) will work in the DE yielding to lower comp motor (9:1)...
2) I've seen pics of Tilley's old setup which has DEt heads, maybe other internals.

Like others, doing a 3.5 stock or built will def be better choice and more than likely yield to more power but if you really want to be the "pioneer" of the first VQ30DEt swap to a maxima, no one is stopping you.

My .02

 

i have seen this motor in a 4th gen already . RWD u just turn the motor around , u also turn the manifolds the way u need. the guy also told me he is running a stock computer and car runs fine but he wants more power so he is looking into JWT for that . Some of the comments made would deter anyone, that is like saying turbo Z motor doesn't fit in a 2nd gen because it is RWD but the shop that does my oil changes did one, so don't take my word for it i am a newbie so idon't know what i am talking about.

 

A 5psi are you serious or are you being a smart azz like that othere guy on here . DO you know if this guy really did because this guy JCY98MAXSE is saying that none of the stock components can work for this set up and u are saying that he is running on stock ecu and stock wire harness that seems hard to believe

 

all the stock components worked as far as i know i actually saw both of these cars being built and both cars drive so do it and let me know how it works out.

 

Just turn the manifolds around?




That's all i had to read...

 

It is compatible. This is the only reason people with 3.0 ECU's can use the EU to advance timing and such using the "VQ30DET" engine option. And people are running hybrid 3.5's off the 3.0 ECU so .
Cams, maybe. I seriously doubt the heads are any different though. Ditto rods. The pistons allow for lower compression and have thicker ring lands but are still cast. For all the trouble, i'd just go aftermarket forged.
If the VQ35 block has the same bolt pattern, i'm pretty sure the DET has it as well.

 

in the 2nd gen max the manifolds were turned around to fit the application thank you. i come to realize that if you guys have never seen it can't be done but it has

 

The EU can work with the DEt I understand but in terms of Plug and Play, I have my doubts if the engine wiring harness and sensors on the Det will match perfectly that no cut and splice or relocation is required, mainly the IAVC/Emission stuff from the pics that I've seen. I see your point but the amount of work to get this setup up and running properly is well beyond the gains... 3.5 swap FTW. IMO

The IM on the DEt is different tho, wonder how well that IM works vs the ones that are available for us?

 

You guys need to check out this: VQ30DET into an S14

The "neck" of the IM might work well or might need some minor modding like he did but it looks like it would work pretty well.

The exhaust manifolds might even work, but they might hit the motor mount. Im not sure. But getting a 2nd passenger side and doing it like 3rd gen guys have done a few times might work as well.

And I would guess the heads flow better then NA heads, because the VG-DE and E heads flow more from the turbo variants correct? Id like to see a NA and DET VQ head gasket to see if there are any differences...but there shouldn't be if Tilly already did it.

It has the same bolt patterns just like any other VQ30/35.

Basically if your not RWD and going boost its not worth it. Just get aftermarket pistons and tune it and call it a day.

~Alex

 

5psi and bk maxima are funny....

 

~Alex

 

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LMAO @ this fuccin thread. It's been done. Nissan Gloria motor in a 4th gen max. Pics will be up when the owner is completely confident in listing his setup, etc. I'm sure it will be ready by summer. Ah, only in Brooklyn, huh?

 

No one said it was impossible. If it can be done for less than $2000.00 then it's worthwhile. If not, installing one-off forged pistons and rods in a DE > that for the money spent.



I wonder if it has piston oil jets....

 

Personally I would spend the money on a 3.5 engine before I put it into an older VQ30DET. The lower compression of the DET is favorable for boost, but then again the 3.5 in 350z's have been taking boost like ..... well you get it.

 

Yeah but too bad you cant put a 350z 3.5 into a maxima. The 350z 3.5 and the new maxima 3.5 have different internals from waht I understand. I know for a fac tthat theya re not the "SAME" engine.

 

the 350 guys are throwing a lot of boost at the motor but that is with a build bottom end.

the DET that is made with boost in mind would hold out much better.

Either way with the motor out of the car, it would be the best time to address any weak links.

 

yeah at this point i would take a built 3.0 > 3.5 swap. Would cost the same thing in the end and the worked engine is gonna be safer.

 

FWD VQ and standard non-revup 350Z VQ are the exact same thing internally. The rev-up got better rod bolts, a more efficient oil pump, stiffer valve springs, and different cams along with exhaust VTC.

 

There have been some 350Z's that have passed the 500 WHP mark on completely bone-stock internals. One even got to ~550 before a rod gave out @ 6800 RPM after a hard day of road racing. The margin for error when tuning with a piggy-back on the 350Z ECU is VERY small. Excellent tuning and knock-sensing hardware is the ticket to big power with the 350Z, but it's possible.

 

longetivity is more the issue, rather than the motor actually being able to make the power. But is good to know the limits of the stock motor.

I agree Tuning plays a major role.

 

I believe it does have the piston oil jets. AKA "squirters"

 

Do you have an idea of the costs involved with importing one?

 

I started out laughing but TJ_Max has me interested.....

 

I'll speak to the owner tonight about pics. Car is running rich.

 

post pics of that shytttt lol

 

I've been lurking, finally registered just to say, POST UP PICS! LOL.

 

Will do, will probably have pics of the setup tonight.

 

I'll ask the owner tonight and take video as well. I can't do the entire car because theft is an issue, but you'll get engine bay and things of that nature. Trust, it will be enough for you to know what you're looking at.

 

Post the pics ****.....