Yes, another wideband thread.
I found and read a lot of good threads.

I am currently debating what to get tune my PFI turbo setup running a greddy emanage blue and Profec e-01.
I am targeting to be near $200 as possible.
Without getting too expensive, I assume I need something that connects to my EMB or has a RPM reader.....

My initial pick is the Innovate LC-1 with XD16 gauge
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=273&page=2
I can find this pretty close to $200 with the gauge. $140 without the gauge.

Would the new Innovate MTX-L be more or less? I am not sure I understand the key differences. It clocks in at $199 and just started shipping.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php


Any thoughts on this?
SLC Pure Plus: Sigma Lambda Controller Pure Plus ?
http://14point7.com/SLC-Pure-Plus.php

 

I'd go with the last one.

 

i would just keep it simple and go with what alot have used such as myself. LC1. ~140 from ebay like you linked on the PM. I bought one couple weeks ago.

 

Yeah the LC-1 works great. Havent had any issues with it yet.

 

Im running the LM-1 works great

 

Ive been running an Innovate LC-1 with XD16 gauge with no issues.

 

what about the "open air" calibration the innovate requires, sounds like a pain?

The SLC Pure Plus sounds like it is awesome?

 

Before install calibrate install then its good to go. I recalibrate mine when ever I take it out which is rarely.

 

Two Innovate LC1's because of this

 

So you don't just need to worry about calibrating it over time?
I guess I do not understand when/why it would need to be done?

 

I do it like every 25k miles. More often if you're boosted.

It's not that important after the first calibration though

 

I just bought an EB and based on good reviews, just ordered an AEM UEGO and A/F Cable for the EB. For me it was between the Innovate and AEM units. AEM unit doesn't require calibration.

 

That should be the least of worry. I calibrate mine pretty often, about once a month or every two months. All you have to do is make sure your car is sitting OFF for a day or so, then calibrate it, aint gotta take out the sensor.

 

ALL:
Great information everyone, I think I will stick with my initial plan:
Innovate LC-1 with XD16 gauge


Emanage blue right?
Is that AEM package worth the extra price vs teh Innovate package?
Are you planning to go boosted?

 

Time will tell if it's worth it - I liked that there was no calibration and that it has some idiot lights on it (first time messing with this kind of stuff, so the more feedback, the better)

I am planning to go boosted, but not in the short term. I have a 00VI setup on the way that I bought this stuff for.

 

You can save a few bucks and get the LC-1 shipped with the DB guage instead of the XD16.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php

You can get them for around $170 shipped on ebay all day. Versus around $250-$300 for the LC-1 + XD16.

 

ok good idea to consider. It is tempting I could get the xd16 setup for $225, but perhaps the extra ~$50 not worth it...

 

If you want a fancy guage, it's worth it. You can make the XD-16 display whatever you want based on what it's plugged up to. (temp, boost, A/F, etc.) It's also completely customizable. With the DB guage, your either stuck with just red or blue. Which is fine if your not a fancy person like me.

Also, you can opt out of running a guage all together and just run the LC1 alone if you wanna save another $20 or so. Downside to that is if you wanna monitor A/F while driving, you gotta have your laptop running with logworks while your driving.

That new one you posted up looks pretty cool too. From the looks of it, it has everything from the LC1 unit built into the guage housing itself. So instead of: O2 > LC1 > guage > computer... it's just O2 > guage > computer. Atleast thats what it looks/sounds like from the description.

 

The aem uego is nice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...em=#vi-content

 

Right! plus its $199 retail for the MTX-L, so ebay should show up even cheaper....
if anyone figures out the drawbacks let us know!
Perhaps call Innovate?

 

The problem I have with the LC-1 is that you can't log AFR with RPM unless you purchase additional hardware. Makes tuning a bit more difficult.

 

Realy? I didnt know this, In the add it says everything you need and blah blah blah . and even shows a fancy computer screen with a bunch of gauges and a rpm gauges.

With that being said It go for the SLC

 

I emailed Innovate in regards to MTX-L vs LC-1 with gauge!
Here is their response.

 

OP, what'd you end up doing? Im intrigued in the SLC PP but I searched and this is the only thread that mentions it.

No one has any reviews on it?

 

hey!
I sold my turbo maxima and gave the 1995 DD with it for me.
No maximas for now

good luck!

 

Dont take long to come back with one!


Anyway Im thinking of running a UEGO with my SAFC. How does it stack up vs others out there. Would love to have the ability to datalog but my money doesnt agree with me right now so Im stuck with the old fashioned way for now. Or if anyone has an alternative thats budget friendly, by all means, school me.

Newb at tuning (and picking up new info daily). Wont be for long

 

Since you have a safc and want to keep it, http://14point7.com/SLC-Pure-Plus.php
Sell the safc, buy an e-manage blue and wideband. Will cost the same as what you have now but you'll be able to tune better/correctly.

 

Wait you lost me ... Maybe I worded myself incorrectly. All I have is a SAFC. No wideband yet. Im looking for something to pair it with. But Im intrigued by you mentioning the EB and selling the SAFC so Ill look into that.

I have been looking at the SLC PP but no one has any reviews for it so I figure I would be the pioneer for it. Id be the wrong one to give out a review since Im fresh to the game so Im low key looking elsewhere now.

I found an AEM UEGO on craigslist for $100. Comes with everything. I may jump on it. Just waiting for their response.

 

The safc intercepts the maf voltage and fools the ECU into thinking there is a different amount of air coming into the engine which makes the ECU add or subtract fuel. This also affects ignition timing which you can't control directly. The e-manage blue allows you to do everything a safc does on a greater scale and more such as direct injector control and ignition timing retard, the e-manage ultimate takes it further by being able to do ignition timing advance. When you buy your wide-band you will find out you can read your air/fuel ratio but you have nothing to compare it to. That is why you need to log AFR vs. rpm so you know at which rpm you are lean/rich and then can make the correction on the safc. If you decide to keep the safc then get a wide-band that has data-logging capabilities. On the list of the PLC I see it states it has RPM pickup. Look into it more before buying. With the e-manage blue you can connect a wide-band into it and log AFR's. Some people complain that you need a computer/laptop. If that's the case you shouldn't be messing with this stuff to begin with and cheap laptops are everywhere so that opinion isn't valid. For example I plan on using an ancient ibm thinkpad 755, I believe it, just for the car. You don't need a dual core or whatever newest thing is out there. Another thing you want to look into is the j&s safeguard. It monitors detonation, knock, ping etc. on each cylinder individually. The reason this is important is because it will retard timing on whatever cylinder needs it to prevent detonation. This will save you your engine. So rather than blowing up your motor and learning the hard way, you get to keep your motor, make tuning changes and keep on going. I've seen people make crazy big hp on just a vafc2 and I was going to do the same but I'd rather put a little more work into it and not have to worry and just enjoy the car and drive it. It's up to you. I realized that a well tuned engine is more fun. A tune makes it or breaks it. Feel free to ask anything you wish and I'll help as best as I can.

 

Thats the most indepth and informitive response Ive gotten regarding widebands yet! Much appreciated.

For now, Ill keep the SAFC. If $ wasnt an issue, then Id be running the best **** (wouldnt we all for that matter?). But I sorta rushed into getting the SAFC without reading up on it and I regret that decision but you live and learn. So now, you've swayed me to getting a wb that can datalog. Back to the drawing boards.

Ill do some comparative shopping between wb's and see which is best bang for the buck. Aside from the mentioned SLC PP, any other ones out there worth looking at? The ZT-2 has been on my radar. Innovate, Ive heard some negatives about; pretty much it as far as choices huh?

 

I've been in your position and you know you need a wide-band and afc but you don't exactly know all the details why. I don't know your setup but you should be fine on the safc. I helped my friend setup a supercharged toyota v6 on a safc2 and it worked really well. I even bought a vafc2. These things work well. I'll try doing some research for you on the wide-band but I don't see another company coming close to that price. What other wide-band can datalog for $160?

 

At $160 it doesnt come with the wbo2. Comes out to $210 with it. Still isnt bad really. I may go for it.

 

Sorry, I overlooked that. The DIY SLC wideband kit looks like it would be $150-$160 vs. $210 but I didn't see how much assembly was required. You should contact them about that. Even if you did spend $210 it's $100 less than the next option. Or you could pick up the $100 aem uego and use a video camera to record rpm and afr. BTW the aem uego can either datalog to a laptop or piggyback such as the e-manage although for you that doesn't help much because you will be logging afr with no rpm reference.

 

Whats the difference in assembly between the SLC and typical wb's? This one seems much more plug and play. Gauge is built into the controller box. Will have to read up some more on it then. Laptop ready BTW (2).

The guy selling the UEGO just emailed me back and said the whole system works. Only reason why he was selling was because he got the newer version so obviously this is the older model UEGO.

 

Don't forget about this sticky thread in the All Motor Forum

http://forums.maxima.org/all-motor/5...ther-info.html

Innovate LC-1 and XD-16 for me.

 

other than the carbon fiber fetish i like the mounting spot, very clean. I have a uego.

 

Very very clean setup Wiz!

Ive been in that thread also but it left me with some unanswered questions.

 

Hows it treating you so far? Im thinking about picking one up since theres one available locally.

 

I will let you know / update the thread in a few days, car is at the tuner getting my swap and parts installed. Not sure if I will get the car dyno tuned or if I will just eyeball my uego.

 

so if u have a choice between the LC-1 with the DB guage or the uego what would u go for ???