I am being kinda a pu$$y about the slicks. I tried them out last week at Byron and just killed my clutch. I am pretty sure it was just my fault for trying to slip the clutch when doing the burnout instead of side stepping it. But I am a little worried that my clutch can't handle it. Since I fried the clutch I have had a hard time scratching 2nd. I can still do it, but not like I used to.

I will give the slicks another try, but if my clutch can't handle it next time I will sell them. I won't upgrade the clutch. I would rather just sell the slicks and run on street tires with the stock clutch.

 

This is one of the reasons why I'm not going with slicks. The other reason is if I want to race competitively at some events, then slicks aren't allowed. The DRs should be a good compromise between a little spin and full blown traction. My biggest worry is doing a good and safe burnout with the DRs. I think the reason people don't get good times with DRs is because they do not do the mandatory 2-3 second "smokey" burnout required to get the DRs to hook. I also think no has used the newer style FWD BFG DRs. I've watch plenty of domestic V8s yank 1.5-1.6 60 foots on BFG DRs and big rims at my track, so I think with a good burnout and proper psi the DRs should get me in the lower 2.0 range. My fingers are crossed.


Dave

 

I don't believe in high performance street tires being any better on a prepped drag strip that all season cheap tires. I have run about 6 different tires on drag strips not counting the slicks, and on every single one of them my best 60' time is 2.18. I ran a 2.18 on every single tire combination I have ever used, bald all seasons, brand new all season with 700 treadwear, brand new T1-S, corded T1-S, dry rotted Nitto 555s, and few month old Kumho 712s, also in every weight combination you can think of, from 30lbs combo to 45lbs combo. Pretty much any permutation you can come up with I've run, at the same tracks and at different tracks, and 2.18 is all I can come up with.

Also dave where have you been heh I posted my times 3 weeks ago 13.43 @ 102.3 on slicks and 13.83 @ 102.0 on street tires.

As far as weight goes 100lbs isn't going to be close to .3 seconds difference in the 1/4 mile. I ran the other day with a guy in the car who weighs 220, I ran .3 seconds and 2mph slower than I was running without him in the car.

 

Ok, the the type of tire doesn't matter for 60'. But for FI people, wouldn't sticky tires grip better than all seasons when you get out of the 60'? I know in Ceasar's videos w/Frosty, you can hear him spin through a good portion of 2nd gear. I don't know what kind of tires hes running, but it seems like tires would have something to do with grip once you start going. So what effects do sticky tires have once you're already moving?

I know when I had real crappy all seasons on stock rims I could spin through 1st gear all day. As soon as I put on my real rims with decent tires most spinning in first gear went away. Getting PR motor mounts helped with that too. I know wider tires help with initial bite, I *think*, but after that they lose their benefit, right? I'm not sure where I'm going with this, so someone help me out....

 

it's official...

I can't drive..

-vq

 

I believed in better tires giving better 60 foot in my case. Last time at the track, I went with my 18's with the sumitumo's htr+ instead of the sawblades with the old goodyear RSA tires and my 60 foots were considerably better. My other buddy with a WRX recently got new rims but with some cheap firestone tire named Fusions. He did better with his stock tires which are bridgestone re92, I believe. The re92 aren't the greatest tires in the world as most maxima people will agree but they are better then the fusion tires.

 

They're quite the opposite of "greatest tires in the world" they're the worst tires in the world...

 

I do not agree about tires not mattering... they've mattered quite a bit with the ones I've had... some are better than others, that's almost like saying the stock potenza re92's will grip just as well as a good sticky summer tire... it won't period... I'm currently using Dayton Daytona H-Rated 215/60/15's which is the exact same tire hal uses, and I've pulled the best 60 foot times so far with these tires... As a matter of fact, I got my first and only 2.1 60' with them... a 2.19 but still a 2.1... where as I've driven h2kPinkpanthr's car down the track about 3 or 4 times and I've gotten 2 2.1 60's and a couple 2.2's... those toyo t1-s's grip like a mother...

 

yeah, i agree with you. i have kumho ecstas on my car and i was lucky enough to pull off a 2.14 my first time at the track with a 5 speed. track conditions do play a vital role in times, and my times prove it.

 

that 14.788 was pretty f-ing awesome it felt like a perfect run but i a can do better i have been practicing shifting more and i think i can run a very low 14.7 or maybe a 14.699...lol but i sure will try. DaveB i realize how much tires and track prep. and all that bs is good but u gotta realize i havent been to the track but maybe 4 or 5 times. You just dont realize how fast i learn.gg!!! CEASAR and FROSTY OWN.

 

BTW>>>SHIFTING IS EVERYTHING IN A RACE!!!!!!!!!!!remember that

 

The first 300' will make or break the race. A good 1/4 mile is all about getting off the line as hard as possible. Good shifting helps, but not remotely as much as a good 60'. Your 91mph traps vs you 14.7 suggest you're getting off the line very well because your topend is nothing out of the ordinary for a stock 4th gen. If you can land a 2.10 60', you'll definetly be looking at a 14.6.


Dave

 

I refuse to believe that tires have anything to do with it as long as we are talking about street tires. I bet he could have pulled the same 60' on crappy $40 tires.

 

I haven't experiemented with different tires enough to offer an opinion on how they help with 60' - track conditions here are not good in general. That being said, track prep and track conditions have a lot more to do with pulling a good 60' time.

Awesome stock time Bobby! You're gonna have fun modding! It would be interesting to see how you do with just slicks... imagine running a mid-low 14 bone stock!!!

 

I haven't experiemented with different tires enough to offer an opinion on how they help with 60' - track conditions here are not good in general. That being said, track prep and track conditions have a lot more to do with pulling a good 60' time.

Awesome stock time Bobby! You're gonna have fun modding! It would be interesting to see how you do with just slicks... imagine running a mid-low 14 bone stock!!!

 

Those are great times.
I Wish!

 

Very impressive......

 

nice does he have any weight reduction

 

Very nice! This is why I wish I was 5spd .

 

? here. Sticky tires are good for launching but wouldn't that make them bad for acceleration at higher speeds? Is the "sticky" only available when there is less traction? It kinda sounds right to me, I don't know. If they have more grip at low speeds would they also have more grip at high speeds and would the friction caused by this be affecting the cars acceleration at high speeds? If it makes no sense my excuse is that I'm on cough syroup.

 

wow, that is pretty damn good for stock max.
now i can have some hope. =)

 

very, very nice... makes me proud that i used to own a 4th gen =)...

 

I have to think the tires play a role in the launch. I ran in stock tires on 16 inch rims, and was only able to muster a 2.22 60 ft. I changed tires, and was able to get a 2.15. With slicks that were not properly heated, I ran 2.06. I think I can get under 2.00 with slicks if I heat them up better next time. And people thet run on 17's and 18's...I don't know how you can keep traction. My Nitto555's can't hold anything on my 18's. It is all about pushing the limits until it spins. Running a little slower without spinning is still better than breaking traction.

 

I think you're right, but only to an extent. I pulled off a 2.14 60' on some crappy tires on my 17s. When I was stock on stock wheels (on crappy all season tires) I couldn't get any traction in first. Now traction isn't an issue. The motor mounts may have helped, but I think tires play a bigger role on the street. I remember someone here (maybe Mike) who ran at the track with different types of tires at the track and was able to get the same 60' times with all tires. I'm not sure why tires make such a difference on the street, and not necessarily on the track....so who knows...

 

I've run on 5 different brands and types of street tires and cut 2.17 and 2.18 on all of them. Dunlop snows, two different crappy all season 205s, and two different summer only z rated 235 17s. I don't believe in significant differences between street tires at the track.

 

I think torque, gearing, contact patch size of the rubber, weight of the car, and suspension setup all have much more to do with launching ability combined than specifically which "type" of tire you're using.

 

I pulled a 2.14 on crappy...I mean really crappy, all season 205/65/15 and did not do a whole lot better on Drag Radials. A best of 2.07 IIRC, but normally low 2.1's

 

was the interior stripped or something?

 

Nice 60', thats amazing for a street-tired fwd 5 speed V6.

My stupid Honduh only 60's in the 2.2's with drag radials, but my stang has hit 1.85's.

edit: derrrr....didnt see this was an older thread, still congrats though

 

I pulled a 15.00 with a 2.30 60'. A 2.3 is nothing to write home about, even stock.

But I do agree about the fast track. Here's mine:

http://www.sanairracing.net/z_eng/index.htm

165 ft. elevation.