I hate stupid people like this. I haven't modified my maxima yet, but i think he is full of crap. I know plenty of you out there could take him. I think he is just running his mouth

**********04: ya need some American muscle, ditch the ricer
MyMaxima29624: what would u suggest then
**********04: takes alot of money to make those little cars fast
**********04: I would suggest GTP
**********04: like mine
**********04: stock.......240hp 280ft. lbs torque
MyMaxima29624: whats ur times
**********04: 1/4 best is 13.72, but my car has very few mods on it
MyMaxima29624: I believe a maxima stock could out run you
**********04: as soon as I get my cam put in, I will be in the mid 12's
**********04: I believe it would more than just a few mods to get a Maxima in the 12s
*********04: I have beat many maximas
*********04: sorry to diappoint you
*********04: beat 5.0 mustangs, Z28 Camaros, Infinity G35 was a fun race, new 350Z was a CLOSE one.......even take a few early 90's Vettes

 

Even if the GTP ran with a WRX STi, it's still a Ponti-crap built on an
ancient platform, with an ancient (though bulletproof) engine.

Who gives how fast it is, who'd want to tell people you bought a Pontiac...unless it's a Holden

 

Actually he would destroy a stock Maxima. His 280tq would pull him off the line and past you with no problem. It's not the greatest car in the world but it is fast. The reason being is it's supercharged. Slap a supercharger on your car with some mods and it would be a very even race.

 

Ok... how is the "new 350z a close one" when they run low 14's with a decent driver and no mods and this guy is supposed to be well into thirteens. And im not sure on this but how are cams going to take him from a 13.72 to mid 12's? Beat 5.0 mustangs. Whopp-dee-doo. Not to say all are like this but i have seen most 5.0's run low mid 14's with basic bolt-ons. G35 is heavier than the 350z. And to top it all off he has a supercharger and is challenging a N/A family sedan! Tell him to race a supercharged or turbo maxima and ask him if he can even keep up after they get going!His roots supercharger falls down in power in the top end alot

 

3800 is still a 2v pushrod motor that makes most of its power down low. Even with a blower, this motor is more torque than anything else. I have had a run against a stock GTP and left him .

 

What's wrong with Pontiac? I would love to own several cars Pontiac has available. People on this website are always hating on American car companies, I don't know if it's because their ethnic backround isn't American or they just had a bad experience....

 

Nothing wrong with american cars. I know someone who built a perfectly streetable Firebird for about 11k (including the car) and runs 10.90 on pump gas N/A (mid/high 11s on street tires). He gets 14-15 mpg. Not exactly the best handling but the car does 0-60 in under 3 seconds so who cares...

 

those cars are great launchers, and pull pretty hard from what I've seen at the track. I've seen one run in the mid to high 13's, and another low 14's on the same night. Course the overall build is crappy from what I hear, not real refined. But definatly fast!

 

so the gtp needa a sc to get roughly the same hp a stock max has(depending on the yr) thats american **** for u..Ponticrap

 

When we went to the MIR meet in the spring, there was a GTP club there, and the fastest guy they had there ran me in the final test run before elims. I had a bad launch, and he pulled almost a full car on me before I got off the line. I was nearly a car in front by the end of the race. He ran a 14.38 to my 14.0. With all the goodies I got now, I'd give this guy two cars, and he'd get .

 

240 hp vs 190 hp, even if you match the Gtp vs a 5th gen, the GTP has 30+ tq. I'd bet if you slapped a SC on an auto 4th gen and put it against a stock GTP, they would run similar times in the 1/4.

You should watch what you post about America's car companies.
What have you done to your car anyways?

 

The sig is pretty current, but I am on the way to having a two stage nitrous kit by the end of the week, and I have decided that I will be running 80 shot first stage, and 150 shot stage two. Also up my sleeve is an adjustable FPR, and a cool can for the fuel delivery. I am going to the track on Oct. 3rd, and I want to be in the high 12's with full street trim.

 

there not that fast my dad has one its faster then my car but there not as fast as people think they are

 

He would spank a stock max. And the only pontiac i like is the new GTO's, my friend has one and its damn nice man. looks good and comfortable too. all aluminum V-8 wit 350 ponies and it moves

 

surprisingly those GTO's can barely dip into the 13's though. They'll trap at 103 or so, but cant hook up off the line (from what I hear and have seen at the strip). I do like the looks of them tho, and hopefully pontiac can correct a few issues, i guess suspension related, for the 2005 model which will incorporate the new 6.0L, 400 hp engine

 

I have messed around with a couple GTP's, they are fast. You need a manual to compete. I edged out one with a great launch, and was edged out with a bad launch, so you really have no room for error. It's a close race.

However, their top end really sucks! I couldn't believe how easily I could pull away at the high speeds, (different time on a hwy). I also drove one too, and I just don't like the feel. It has nothing to do with not being "ethnic" American, since many Americans go foreign. I like the build quality and smoothness better with the Japanese cars. Besides, the Japanese are putting up some pretty big horsepower with smaller more efficient engines.

The new GTO is a start in a better direction, but for $37,000, there are many better cars. Personally, I can get a 350Z for $28,000, and make it pretty damn fast for $9,000. You should never have to pay $37,000 for a Pontiac when a G35, TL, STI, and EVO are all less. Even worse, the GTO will only be worth $18,000-$20,000 after 2 years, but good if you are buying used I guess.

 

i have a 2k1 stock as the day it was built..but i have seen those ponticraps in action and not impressed for a sc'd car..and i have owned a few ponticraps and a few chevys..not the highest end in the american car market..but none the less..american cars fall short of the foreign car market..sales,performance,reliability,etc..etc..an d especially ponticrap..how many cars have they discontinued in the past few yrs..their cars are cheap and generic and possibly the best thing they had in the last few yrs was the firebird/firehawk..RIP..

 

I beg to differ, as my auto has put down better times than most of the 6 speeds on the org. Blu and Jime have had similar results, not sure who else. The Maxima Auto's are very quick, and minimal driver error involved as well. Plus all the GTP's are autos as far as I know (havent kept up to date about the most recent ones, but i know the older ones are auto only)

 

Valid point. I forgot to mention the 5.5 gen auto is more than capable of beating a GTP.

The 4th gen and 5th gen 3.0L is where you need the manual to have a chance because it is much quicker than the auto of those gen's. I always thought the 5.5 gen 6-speed was quicker than the auto. I have seen the 6 speed listed at 5.9 0-60, and autos at 6.6 0-60.

 

^ GTP and 3.5 are drivers race...... with VQ a bit on edge for higher speeds... those GTPS have 30lbs excessive torque, and its a bit underrated like our VQ ones as well! More so, it peaks just at 3500 3600rpm, UNLIKE our highass 4400rpm...... its about 200 250lbs heavier, not THAT significant......

I lost to one on the hwy to, it LOOKED modded, from 60-90mph, he clowned me by almost 2 cars!

 

GTP and VQ MANUAL = different story though

auto for auto I was referring to...

 

the 6 speed's always put down higher trap speeds, with the same engine mods, however us Auto guys seem to be able to launch better, resulting in better ET's. Bunch of the 6 speed guys have yelled (jokingly) at me for bein able to get a better ET yet trap 3 mph slower than them. On a highway run tho, a 6 speed would pull, as shown by higher traps - more power to the ground and no worries about launching perfect.

 

Well have fun in your 2001 stock max. American cars aren't the only cars that are generic either.

 

Face it a GTP is a driver race for any maxima minus a 6spd 5.5 gen. The way the car's powerband is designed for lowend-midrange torque. That is what makes these cars so good at drag racing, massive lowend torque + auto = excellent launches. Also don't even bother to bring up the point of 240bhp vs 190bhp when the GTP weighs at least 3400lbs. A 4th gen that is loaded might weigh 3150lbs, so maximas have the weight advantage while the GTPs have the power advantage.

 

you hit the nail right on the head

gtps are dog crap up top heres a true cenario

stock gtps run high 14's @ 93

my friend had a 01 gtp with a pulley and exhaust it ran abest of 14.2 @ 96

we would race from a light and he would eat me

but on the highway from a 75 roll i would sit right next to him and at 95mph when his car shifts into the 3rd i would start to pull on him pretty hard

a 5.5 6speed will destroy a stock gtp on the highway

even a 5th gen 5spd and 5.5 auto would run neck and neck with a gtp on the hiway all being stock

 

Oh and I forgot to mention the GTP's have tall gearing, which hinders top speed (this is thru cartest program, which is quite accurate. I recommend gettin it, could answer MANY of these "will I beat______" questions!)

 

so a 92 maxima 5spd with basic mods could take us 5.5 6th gen autos guy, stock?

 

my car is good for mid to high 14s at 96-97mph although i havnt got a time slip yet because when i went to the track they said i had to have a external batter cutoff switch since i have my battery in my trunk

i sit right next to stock wrx's from a 30mph roll they trap at roughly that mph not to mention many other cars althouth ive never had the libertty to run a 5.5gen i did take 5th gen 3.0 5spd from 75 to 120 about 2 months ago

 

from personal experience I can tell you this isn't exactly the case...i usually b***h-slap them up top, but maybe you've been behind the drivers seat and seen different.

i also lost to a modded or juiced GTP once from 60-100 put couple cars on me, it was nasty.

 

you guys forgot one thing, the car does weigh about 15 million more pounds then ours. Thats why when i raced my freinds GTP, of a roll of about 10 I ate him up, o yeah but my tranny wasnt slipping back then, so my car might have been running highmid 14's

 

Here is a video you can send him.

My 2k2 v. '01 GTP

GTP engine mods: Short Ram Intake, Full Headers, Borla Catback, Upgraded Motor Mounts.

My engine mods: Injen CAI, Cattman Headers, Cattman B-pipe, PT Muffler, Place Racing Motor Mounts

 

In the end the GTP/Regal GS will ALWAYS be the quicker car and DO NOT underestimate them. Most you guys are terribly uninformed about these cars. Go to ClubGP.com and you'll see that 12s are terribly easy to come by in these cars. My friends 00 Buick Regal GS with a 3.2" pulley, ECU, intake, and a exhaust pipe (U-bend) has done 13.8s@99mph. That's 13.8s with about $600 in mods. He put in a cam in and I totally expect him to go 13.4s@101mph.

Buy a 01 GTP (12K), beefed up Intense tranny with deeper gearing ($3K), ported and larger SC ($3K), rocker arms ($200), cam ($400), headers ($600), intercooler ($1500), intake, ecu, exhaust ($700), and slicks and you're looking at a solid low to mid 12 second car. No joke. It's completely docile around town and downright brutal at the track. Do not underestimate these cars. If the interior was better on them, I'd own one because going really fast is quite easy and cheap.

 

For $9,400, I think I can make a Max faster than a GTP. With all the mods listed above, the GTP would be a monster...but many here have spent about 35% less on their Max and achieved 12's.

 

Can you name them?

Jime? Nitrous out the wazoo. He runs 13.5s NA.

Mardigras? 11.9 with a lot more than $9400 in the car. A lot more.

Hal? Turbo and nitrous to go lower 12s and not terribly reliable?


I don't disagree that you can make a Maxima just as quick as the GTP I taked about, my point was that it's far easier to do in the GTP and it's more reliable and streetable.

 

****t man you give me 9400$ and ill have a 4th gen running 12.50's on street tires

oh and by the way that 9400$ is including the original purchase price of the car

5000$ for a 4th gen 5spd with 125k (i could do it with a 3rd gen VE to)
2000$ custom intercooled turbo setup (i would make all the piping ofcourse)
1000$ for various fuel and electronic engine control upgrades
300$ clutch

tuned properly @15psi it would make an easy 400whp

and i have a grand left over to add nitrous and slicks to make it run 11's

oh and by the way this page has all the fastest GTPs in the USA

http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp

this is currently the fastest max

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=352428

notice that there are only 2 GTPs that have a higher trap speed than HAL which means that HAL would be able to beat all the rest of them yes even the ones runing in the 10's from a roll that just shows how superior the 5spd really is on the street

and i garonteee you hal does not have more than 9000$ in his max because hes only asking $13200 for the whole thing

CASE CLOSED

 

Just so you guys know, I used to have a 5th generation Maxima, even though I had only intake and full exhaust, it was still pretty fast. But right now, I have a Pontiac GTP (Don't worry, it is a Pontiac "piece of ****") but its stull a muscle car. Tonight, I took a brand new Hemi off the line. And I've also taken mustangs. All I have is a pulley on the supercharger and full exhaust, so I think a GTP is fast as hell and would definitely torque the hell out of the Maxima. However, stick one of those superchargers in that Japanese engine, even though its .8 ltrs smaller, the outcome is reversed.

 

Subs100W kind of answered this. I can't remember the name, but there is one member who put a TC on his 5.5 gen Max and ran 6-7psi. If he ups it to 11 or 12 psi, lookout. It cost him much less than $9400.

Again, I will not disagree that a GTP can be made fast, but I think the Maxima has more potential once both are running FI. That is why the GTP is initially cheaper to mod is because it already has the SC, but with both cars running FI, that changes. The GTP advantage is low end torque, but once you build RPM, the Max makes better power.

 

My brother has an 02 Maxima 6spd with PR cai and ssr competition wheels. Our good friend has a GTP with 3.4" pulley, cai, headers, exhaust, pcm, mounts, and suspension. Whenever they race on the streets, its about dead even. We've posted some videos of them racing eachother and other cars awhile back, I don't know if ya'll remember.

FYI: the GTP ran a 14.7 when it had just an intake, and his best time with all the mods is a 13.8

stock for stock, a 3.5 Maxima will eat up a GTP.

 

I think it would be great if we can come up with a list of 1/4 times like CLUB GP. It's very easy to read nice and neat.

I know we already have one but it's long an not inorder.

 

Building it yourself really isn't a fair comparion and skews the argument in your favor. Everything I stated is new MSRP price and doing it the right way. Let's be realistic here. A quality Maxima turbo kit will end up costing you well over $5000 and probably more like $6K. Accessories are the killer. EGT and boost gauges, quality boost controller, quality fuel pump, higher flow injectors, possibly a MAF upgrade, ideally a safeguard system, ECU tune, and an upgraded clutch.

I could easily make the argument that you could pass on upgrading the tranny on the GTP and still run low 12s and high 11s quite easily. I added in the $3K for the tranny because most guys pushing powerlevels like that realize that the tranny won't last long. Plus along with a beefier setup, they get a deeper gear ratio, and a higher stall converter. All this equals much lower ETs and improved topend.


Yeah, there are quite a few GTPs in the 10s and low 11s at well over 120mph. I see 19 GTPs that are quicker than Hal and a majority of these guys don't run nitrous nor have they upgraded their trannys. Hal's Max is pretty freaking fast, but it's far from relaible (how many motors now? 3?) and he does use nitrous. Hal's got a huge trapspeed, but no matter how hard he trys, he'll never match the launch of a high powered GTP. A flat torque curve is the key to launching hard and getting low ETs. A "super" GTP is making 450wtq at 2500rpms whereas Hal doesn't have full boost until the top of 2nd gear. The autos also help the GTPs launch hard, fast, and with little drama. Hal has to wind up to over 5000rpms and dump the clutch and pray for a high 1.8 60'. The Super GTP driver simply depresses the brake, stalls up the converter to 1800-2000rpms, releases the brake, mashes the gas, and it's low 1.6-1.7 60 time. Power under the curve owns in the 1/4 mile and that's why turbo Maximas make very poor drag cars.

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